If Auron = Yuna with the day vote, and this match was 50-50 right now (which it isn't), then yes, Auron would win. Relatively stronger than 50% = winning.

But there was no point where Yuna got more than 50%.

...how can you be so dense? Put Yuna's votes on a curve, and you'll see her rising with the Day Vote. If Auron had a curve that looked like hers, he'd win. It's pretty simple stuff, even for you.
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I used sc2k5, which is GST (gamefaqs standard time, or if you prefer, pacific time). that'd be 06:30 for us easterners.
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I don't think you understand the day vote. If Yuna can get a higher percentage during the day, it means she was relatively stronger.

If Auron can get exactly as many votes as Ganon during the night, then the day-vote, where he should be performing better, should be his in absolute terms.

She wasn't performing better but it was harder for Ganon to keep his % because of number of votes. He was still getting more votes than her during the day with every update.

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if Auron had Yuna's curves, I'd be scared.
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There is when you're talking about actually taking the day vote (taking more than 50% of the day vote), and 'taking the day vote' (cutting the percentage), in the same post. That's where it gets confusing.

It's not confusing, if you look at the context. In a match like this, they mean the same thing. If Auron performs better with the day vote than with the night vote, that'll put him ahead of Ganon. Obviously.
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You do realize that at ever point in Yuna vs Gnon, Ganon was getting more votes, right? If it were at 50-50, he'd win. His % decreased becasue in order to keep it constant, he would have to gain even more agisnt Yuna in every single update.

The only reason his percentage would drop is because he's performing relatively weaker. If you get 50% on a character during your weaker period, how could you win?

Knuckles won from Magus, didn't he? Was it because of the night vote?

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If Auron has Yuna's curve he is going to lose too much ground in the mourning vote that he will never make up.
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Maybe it's just the night air or most of my energy directed towards Star Wars: A New Hope, but I have no idea what the heck you guys are talking about... >_>
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He was still getting more votes than her during the day with every update.

Well, duh. God, you really don't get it do you. I'm not even going to argue anymore. Geez.

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..how can you be so dense? Put Yuna's votes on a curve, and you'll see her rising with the Day Vote. If Auron had a curve that looked like hers, he'd win. It's pretty simple stuff, even for you.

....You're the one who is dense.

The curve WON'T be the same. Yuna's curve was like that because Ganon's % was dropping. It was dropping because of the number of votes coming in. The vote gap between him and her kept increasing.

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No. Because he increased his gains. At the night vote, he was taking around 47% of the vote. During the day, he took 50+%. To win, or change the lead, you MUST take more than 50% of the vote.
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She wasn't performing better but it was harder for Ganon to keep his % because of number of votes. He was still getting more votes than her during the day with every update.


She wasn't performing better? WTF are you talking about? Her day performance was far better than her night performance. Look at Snake vs. Tanner or Link vs. Adventure if you want an example of how vote totals don't matter to percent of the vote.
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this match is eerily consistent.

five minute update - amount of votes Ganon gained:

00:35 - 23
00:40 - 18
00:45 - 17
00:50 - 28
00:55 - 22

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Why are we arguing over terminology when we know what each other mean? Jesus, its like arguing over grammar when you both understand what the other wrote.
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TheCruelAngel, stop. I'll try to explain this 1 more time.

Ganondorf crushes Yuna during the night. During the day, he crushes her also, but slightly less. Hence, Yuna is relatively stronger during the day than Ganondorf.

Say Ganondorf - Yuna would tie during the night. Yuna would take the day vote, and win.


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Well, duh. God, you really don't get it do you. I'm not even going to argue anymore. Geez.

You're the one claiming that Auron-Ganon would go for Aurun if he performed like Yuna at the day vote, even though Ganon would get more votes. I'd say you don't get it.

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is this match set for 100k?
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To win, or change the lead, you MUST take more than 50% of the vote.

Thank you, captain obvious. Taking the day vote =/= getting more than 50% in the end, or even at that time.

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The curve WON'T be the same. Yuna's curve was like that because Ganon's % was dropping. It was dropping because of the number of votes coming in. The vote gap between him and her kept increasing.


I'm not talking about the vote gap. I'm talking about the percentage gap. Obviously. If Auron gets a higher percentage of votes during the day than during the night, in the same way that Yuna did, he'll win the match.
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Consolefreak, at this point Yuna gained 1.52 percentage wise . How does that equal Auron winning if he continued that path?
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You're the one claiming that Auron-Ganon would go for Aurun if he performed like Yuna at the day vote, even though Ganon would get more votes. I'd say you don't get it.

Don't twist my words. I said that would happen if Auron - Ganon was 50-50 right now, which it isn't. I was trying to make a point.

Don't try to make me look dumb becaucse I made an absurd prediciton, when I wasn't even making a prediction in the first place.
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TheCruelAngel, stop. I'll try to explain this 1 more time.

Ganondorf crushes Yuna during the night. During the day, he crushes her also, but slightly less. Hence, Yuna is relatively stronger during the day than Ganondorf.

Say Ganondorf - Yuna would tie during the night. Yuna would take the day vote, and win.

And I'll explain once more.

During the day, Ganon doesn't crush her as severely because to do so, he would need to increase his lead every single update. The gap between them still increased though.

Say Ganondorf Yuna would tie during the day. As Ganon got more votes than Yuna did during the day, he would win.

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TheCruelAngel, your stance is either utterly illogical, or completely trivial.

If this match happened to be 50/50 and Auron was as relatively strong with the day vote as Yuna, then obviously he would win. There is not point in talking about this.
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Donkey Kong will get the day vote against Master Chief.

..if I make you guys a topic, will you go argue about it there?
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Consolefreak, at this point Yuna gained 1.52 percentage wise . How does that equal Auron winning if he continued that path?

You too? I never said, or thought, Auron would win this match

I said that IF this match was 50-50 right now, Auron would win. I was trying to make a point.
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I'm not talking about the vote gap. I'm talking about the percentage gap. Obviously. If Auron gets a higher percentage of votes during the day than during the night, in the same way that Yuna did, he'll win the match.

...But at 50-50, there is no % gap, So it would end uo going to the one who gets more votes.

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Squall: ...Flower.

What point are you trying to make? If you go by percentages you be correct, but I dont understand what the point is since we are now dealing with something that isnt happening.
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From: Heroic Dr Wily | Posted: 8/23/2005 4:02:01 AM | Message Detail | #274
Donkey Kong will get the day vote against Master Chief.

I doubt it actually. Donkey Kong isn't all that great with the day vote, and MC is horrible with the night vote.
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Ok Angel, I'm done talking to you. Sometimes, you just can't get through to people, I guess.
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What point are you trying to make? If you go by percentages you be correct, but I dont understand what the point is since we are now dealing with something that isnt happening.

I know it's not happening. I was talking about "taking the day vote", not about this match. I happened to use Auron - Ganondorf fictionally as an example to make a point.
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If this match happened to be 50/50 and Auron was as relatively strong with the day vote as Yuna, then obviously he would win. There is not point in talking about this.

Ganon during the day got more votes than Yuna did during the day. He was stronger than her during the day vote. His % dropped because its harder to maintain it with the huge number of votes. At 50-50, there won't be any % difference to maintain thus it would be based on who gets more votes every update. Ganon does that. He wins.

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But being 50% right NOW means that Auron would get a higher percentage of the votes LATER, meaning he would take the lead. Can you really not grasp this concept?
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I'm surprised you guys are still arguing with him....
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Which goes back to my original point, arguments over terminology is stupid. They mean take the vote wise, you mean take the vote percentage wise.
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Oh and since Auron is very slightly over the place, I'll start the trend:
OMG CHEATING!!!!
there, it's done, no need to worry about it anymore...
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In any event, at this rate, it'll be very close by morning, and Auron will hopefully make a big push for the lead.
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...Does anyone have the whole update sheet for Ganon-Yuna?

We'll start at the point where Yuna obtained thew day vote and assume here and Ganon were both 50-50 and then see who wins at the end.

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Squall: ...Flower.

I wouldn't call 5-10 vote differences "all over the place". this is pretty damn consistent.
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Auron is expected to be stronger than Ganon with the day vote? Sometimes I don't follow this thing as well I should...
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What do you mean at this rate it will be close by mourning? Dorf is gaining 240 votes every hour. By mourning he is going to have well over a 1,500 lead. And he INCREASED his percentage against Yuna in the mourning vote.
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Ganon during the day got more votes than Yuna did during the day. He was stronger than her during the day vote. His % dropped because its harder to maintain it with the huge number of votes.

No it's not. Look here: http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/22?matchnum=2086

Start at 6 AM, go to 6 PM. Dante goes up. Therefore, he won the day vote. However, in the next 6 hours his lead goes down slightly. Therefore, he lost the second night vote. Get it?
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I was thinking the same. I could see Auron taking the night vote (heh), but I'd expect the green one to be taking the day vote.
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We'll start at the point where Yuna obtained thew day vote and assume here and Ganon were both 50-50 and then see who wins at the end

But that's not what we MEAN with that. Of COURSE Ganondorf is always going to have over 50% of the votes. Quit trying to argue over terminology that we've already decided has a particular meaning, as we don't really feel like changing. If you don't like the way we say it, too bad. You don't have to.
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http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/22?matchnum=2072

Here it is.

I want anyone to show me how Yuna would've won if it was 50-50 at ANY point in this. Please, go ahead.

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Squall: ...Flower.

how the hell is this match thousands of votes behijnd ganondorf/yuna?
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See that point early on when Yuna's percentage goes way up really fast?

Right there.
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But that's not what we MEAN with that. Of COURSE Ganondorf is always going to have over 50% of the votes. Quit trying to argue over terminology that we've already decided has a particular meaning, as we don't really feel like changing. If you don't like the way we say it, too bad. You don't have to.

Then I didn't get what you were trying to say when you all said that Yuna would win. I'd really like to know, too. Please, explain it.

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see: the first five minutes.

also, see: Ganon/Yuna having among the most votes of round 1. tough to top that.
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See that point early on when Yuna's percentage goes way up really fast?

Right there.

Even if you assume that it was 50-50 then, Ganon still gets more votes. I'm sorry, but I really don't understand what you mean.

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