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I'd be very worried about Snake > Zelda or Tidus > Kirby right now, picture or no picture. Zelda crushed Vivi and Ganon is looking to make perhaps the most hyped match of round 2 extremely anticlimactic.
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so with 23hours to go people already think ganon has won? it could get closer during the day
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Yes it does. That's exactly what it means. We just attribute it to cutting the percentage, because we're too damn lazy to type all that up.

You expect a character to go from 33% at night to +50% during the day? How could you possibly ever gain a day vote then? That's simply ridiculous. Taking the day vote means a character is relatively stronger then than he was during the night.

In other words, if Auron - Ganondorf was 50-50 right now, Auron would probably win because Yuna took the day vote against Ganondorf.
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Ganondorf took the day vote against Yuna, actually.


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Yuna cut the percentage, but I don't believe she won a single update.

Of course she didn't. Again, you expect a character to go from 33% to +50% all of a sudden???

The only reason Pac-Man and Knuckles took your day vote is because their match was close to begin with. Can you not see this?
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In other words, if Auron - Ganondorf was 50-50 right now, Auron would probably win because Yuna took the day vote against Ganondorf.

How so? Ganon was gaining 100-200 votes per update. Just not enough to up his percentage versus what Yuna was doing.

How so? Ganon was gaining 100-200 votes per update. Just not enough to up his percentage versus what Yuna was doing.

The match obviously isn't 50-50, so this doesn't apply. Notice the "if".
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Yeah, I don't think Yuna won a single update all day.


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If you're not taking more than 50% during the day, it's not correct to call it taking the day vote. Yuna never, at any stage of the match, got more than 50% of the votes coming in. She won no updates. She didn't take the day vote.
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Why are people being so anal about the phrase "won the day vote"? Do technicalities really matter? We all know what it means.
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Yeah, I don't think Yuna won a single update all day.

Of course she didn't. She had 33% during the night, and she managed to get that up to 38.8 thanks to the day.

Are you saying she was stronger during the night?
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Obviously some people don't know what it means though... meh.


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In other words, if Auron - Ganondorf was 50-50 right now, Auron would probably win because Yuna took the day vote against Ganondorf.

...No. Taking the vote doesn't mean solely cutting into %. It means getting more votes than the other character.

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You expect a character to go from 33% at night to +50% during the day? How could you possibly ever gain a day vote then?

Master Hand won a few 5-minutes updates against Eggman... >_>
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Ganondorf took the day vote against Yuna, actually.

Exactly. His percentage rose to 62% and ended around 61% after finishing the first night vote at 59%.
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Donkey Kong will beat Master Chief.

I never said she was...


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I don't mind it when someone calls cutting the percentage getting the day vote. I just mind when they think that's what it actually means. We call it that due to laziness, not because the character is actually getting more than 50% of the votes during the day. That's all/
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*sigh* You don't have to 'win' the day vote to 'take' the day vote...or at least, be relatively stronger with it, which is what the statement implies.

Example: At night, X character gets 100 votes for every vote Y character gets.

In the daytime, X character gets 10 votes for every vote Y character gets.

In both instances, X was always gaining and increasing the lead. But the rate at which X was doing it was much slower during the day time. Now, you factor in a relatively stronger opponent that has the same voting trends as Y--Z. At night, X character gets 1.2 votes to every vote Z charcter gets.

Come daylight, X is in trouble.
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Obviously some people don't know what it means though... meh.

Hey mister arrogance. Taking the day vote means the character was relatively stronger during the day.

That's right. Relatively.
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...No. Taking the vote doesn't mean solely cutting into %. It means getting more votes than the other character.

No, no it doesn't. Tanner could take the day vote against Link.
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...this isn't worth arguing over. I typed about sixteen things and deleted them all. just let him define it however he wants.
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That's still not taking the day vote. That's just us not wanting to type all that up every time we want to say what you said, Karma.

That's my point, really.
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No, no it doesn't. Tanner could take the day vote against Link.

Sure, he can. If he gets over 50% on Link at the day vote, that is.

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I cannot believe we are having this stupid discussion about "winning" and "taking" a portion of the vote again.

Get over it, people.
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...No. Taking the vote doesn't mean solely cutting into %.

Yes, it does. Winning the vote has absolutly nothing to do with cutting the lead, getting over 50% of the votes or anything like that. "Winning the vote" means the character is doing better during a certain period of the day relative to another period of the day. It's technically incorrect but it's easier to use and everybody here knows what it means.
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Eh, whatever, I like my definition better. I would cringe if I ever had to say that Tanner took the day vote against Link.


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Exactly TRE.
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Well, yeah, that's my point. It's for ease, which is why people differentiate between 'win' and 'take'. Methinks perhaps there needs to be a different word for being relatively stronger? Eh.
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That's still not taking the day vote. That's just us not wanting to type all that up every time we want to say what you said, Karma.

That's my point, really.

Maybe you're too lazy, I'm not. I'm just not dumb enough to talk about day votes absolutely.

Link is the king of the day vote all of a sudden? He doesn't lose an update during the day to anyone. I always though Knuckles was the king of the day vote. When in fact, according to you, he's just a midcarder with the day vote.
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shouldn't we actualy be worrying about the actual match instead of a term that was made by the board?
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

Yes, it does. Winning the vote has absolutly nothing to do with cutting the lead, getting over 50% of the votes or anything like that. "Winning the vote" means the character is doing better during a certain period of the day relative to another period of the day. It's technically incorrect but it's easier to use and everybody here knows what it means.

That is the point. He was claiming that if Ganon and Auron were 50-50 and if Auron performed lie Yuna did that, then that would win that Auron would win because he was "taking the vote". We're using the technical definition in this case.

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Nothing to worry about yet. Ganon is still building.
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That is the point. He was claiming that if Ganon and Auron were 50-50 and if Auron performed lie Yuna did that, then that would win that Auron would win because he was "taking the vote". We're using the technical definition in this case.

If Auron = Yuna with the day vote, and this match was 50-50 right now (which it isn't), then yes, Auron would win. Relatively stronger than 50% = winning.
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And consolefreak, if you're not too lazy to type out what Karma Hunter or TRE said every time you want to talk about 'getting the day vote', then do it. :P
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Here is his post:

In other words, if Auron - Ganondorf was 50-50 right now, Auron would probably win because Yuna took the day vote against Ganondorf.

Auron woildn't win because he would be getting less than 50% on every update. His % was dropping because it gets harder to maintain it the greater the larger of votes becomes.

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Looks like Auron is on pace to finish with about 47%.
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Unless gannon loses an update I'm not going to start getting worried. Auron doesn't appear to be threatening gannon's lead at all at the moment.
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If Auron = Yuna with the day vote, and this match was 50-50 right now (which it isn't), then yes, Auron would win. Relatively stronger than 50% = winning.

But there was no point where Yuna got more than 50%.

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Ganon couldn't have asked for a better start. Auron better cut this lead down and build a small one of his own before the day vote hits if he wants any shot.

Oh, and what percentage would Ganondorf need to finish with for you guys to think Tidus > Auron?
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And consolefreak, if you're not too lazy to type out what Karma Hunter or TRE said every time you want to talk about 'getting the day vote', then do it. :P

Everyone obviously know what one means when he says "taking the day vote", no reason to go technically all of a sudden.

So as long as you people aren't such perfectionist ***** about it, there's no reason for me to type all that stuff out, is there.
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Whats funny is that after all this Magus talk, 'Dorf's 2004 could be correct.
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save these ridiculous arguments for the offseason.

Ganon's percentage the last 30 minutes: 53.77%. looking at Yuna's updates, she started gaining very early (at about 00:20) and peaked at 40%, at around 03:30 or so. if the voting trends are the same for this match, Auron's gotta get his ass in gear before then.

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Oh yeah, this is also making Alucard look better.
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Dorf isn't weaker than CATS...
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You do realize that at ever point in Yuna vs Gnon, Ganon was getting more votes, right? If it were at 50-50, he'd win. His % decreased becasue in order to keep it constant, he would have to gain even more agisnt Yuna in every single update.

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Auron woildn't win because he would be getting less than 50% on every update. His % was dropping because it gets harder to maintain it the greater the larger of votes becomes.

I don't think you understand the day vote. If Yuna can get a higher percentage during the day, it means she was relatively stronger.

If Auron can get exactly as many votes as Ganon during the night, then the day-vote, where he should be performing better, should be his in absolute terms.

33% < 50%
38.8% < +50%
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There is when you're talking about actually taking the day vote (taking more than 50% of the day vote), and 'taking the day vote' (cutting the percentage), in the same post. That's where it gets confusing.
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From: transience | Posted: 8/23/2005 3:50:32 AM | Message Detail
save these ridiculous arguments for the offseason.

Ganon's percentage the last 30 minutes: 53.77%. looking at Yuna's updates, she started gaining very early (at about 00:20) and peaked at 40%, at around 03:30 or so. if the voting trends are the same for this match, Auron's gotta get his ass in gear before then.

Just for reference, what timezone are you using? I'm on EST.
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