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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 212
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 8/22/2005 7:02:21 PM | Message Detail
"Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!"

*Creativename's websites*

Everything you could ever imagine:
http://www.sc2k5.com
http://www.sc2k4.com

Summer 2002 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/1

Summer 2003 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/2

Spring 2004 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/3

Summer 2004 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/4

Summer 2005 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/5

Sortable Table for Every Contest Match:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/19



*Extrapolated Standings*

Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/11

Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

Summer 2002 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/13

Summer 2003 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/14

Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/15

SFF Adjusted Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/16

Summer 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/17

SFF Adjusted Summer 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/18

Spring 2005 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/27

All Time Extrapolated Standings:
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/alltimexsts.htm



*Solarshadow's Sites*

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/2003/index.html

Spring 2004 Contest: (not currently updating)
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/index.html



*Old Stats topics*

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note)

2003-2004 Off-Season:
http://membres.lycos.fr/shindohikaru/stats1.htm (See note)
Note: Don't use the links in the topic to browse through the pages, change the page number in the URL.

Spring 2004 Pre-Season (Chance the number after "Season" to view other pages; there are three of them):
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason1.htm

Spring 2004 Contest (Change the number after "Stats" to view other pages; there are eight of them):
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats1.htm



*Match Pictures*

All the match pics, save for three from 2002:
http://www.sc2k5.com/gallery/index.php



*Miscellaneous*

Creativename's Page of Links:
http://sc2k4.com/links.php

MMXcalibur's Contest Sites:
http://prophetchallenge.hyperboards2.com/index.cgi
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/

A List of Acronyms, A Lesson on Percentages, and Some Odd Matches:
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/acronymspercentsanomalies.htm

Poll Vote Total Updater:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/25

All Time Top 25/Top 10 Lists:
http://www.rpgdl.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3251



!yawA tsoP
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna
From: Master Moltar | Posted: 8/22/2005 7:06:02 PM | Message Detail
Ganon's gonna lay some ownage tommorrow, just you wait! <3
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SC2K5: Samus is going all the way!
Samus vs. Frog - Bracket: Samus - Vote: Samus (32/36)
From: shadow8021 | Posted: 8/22/2005 7:13:42 PM | Message Detail
Can't wait til' tomorrow's match!
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Summer Contest Score: 31/34
Today's Pick: Samus
From: Janus5000 | Posted: 8/22/2005 7:14:46 PM | Message Detail
Go Auron!
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The King of all Cosmos' route to summer victory:
Round 1: (0) Voters
From: cyko | Posted: 8/22/2005 7:19:30 PM | Message Detail
well, in all honesty, i picked Auron over Ganondorf because i wholeheartedly believe him to be stronger than Tidus and i also think his ranking has been lower than it should be due to being SFF'd by Cloud and Sephiroth - Final Fantasy's two biggest characters. here's hoping that Auron proves he's the third strongest FF character tomorrow. (which could turn into 4th or 5th after Vincent and Tifa are done, but whatever.)

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From: Heroic Viktor | Posted: 8/22/2005 8:00:45 PM | Message Detail
Go Auron! Screw my bracket!

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
SC2k5 - 35/38 (Kefka, Magus, Ocelot)
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 8/22/2005 8:23:22 PM | Message Detail
If I had a PS2, I'd get FFX for sure; Auron's quote there is enough to get me hyped to play it...though I probably won't ever get around to givin' the game a fair chance.
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Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.
From: JonPen1416 | Posted: 8/22/2005 8:35:18 PM | Message Detail
Well it's pretty much the RPG of this generation, and it doesn't look like it has any chance of losing that title, so it would definitely be worth playing at some point.
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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 8/22/2005 8:36:15 PM | Message Detail
Well, there's KHII, but Auron's in that one, too.

Seriously, with Cloud, Squall, and Auron, you can't go wrong. Now if only one of them would kill Sora and take over the leading role, preferably Squall.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna
From: JonPen1416 | Posted: 8/22/2005 8:40:05 PM | Message Detail
I highly doubt KHII could take FFX's title away from it. If nothing else, KHII could be hurt somewhat by being released at the end of the generation, FFIX style.

Although KHI is probably the second most popular RPG this generation, so if KHII is better, I guess it would knock KHI down a notch.
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From: RPGGamer0 | Posted: 8/22/2005 8:40:16 PM | Message Detail
Ganondorf over Auron with 54.89%. >_>


~RPGGamer~
From: Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted: 8/22/2005 8:41:07 PM | Message Detail
Hey, very nice choice on the quote there. I hadn't realized I used the same one a minute ago. <3

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To the man whose spirit was so free it was bothersome... Kurosaki Ichigo, my sword has been broken by your freedom of spirit.
From: Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted: 8/22/2005 8:41:29 PM | Message Detail
For predictions, I'm going with 52.93% for Auron.

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To the man whose spirit was so free it was bothersome... Kurosaki Ichigo, my sword has been broken by your freedom of spirit.
From: Draco1214 | Posted: 8/22/2005 8:41:52 PM | Message Detail
Ganondorf with 51.22%
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Summer 2005 Contest - 34/38 points
Current Match Prediction: Ganondorf vs. Auron
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 8/22/2005 8:42:22 PM | Message Detail
Auron with 50.96%, winning by about 1600 votes.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna
From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 8/22/2005 8:42:59 PM | Message Detail
Now if only one of them would kill Sora and take over the leading role, preferably Squall.

...
Now if only Yuffie killed Squall.
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I know what I'm getting into, I don't care if I die trying!-Peppita Rossetti
From: transience | Posted: 8/22/2005 8:43:43 PM | Message Detail
wow, the stats topic has suddenly gone pro-Auron. I hope you're right.
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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 8/22/2005 8:44:45 PM | Message Detail
Squall is too sexy for Yuffie to kill him.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna
From: MegatokyoEd | Posted: 8/22/2005 8:44:56 PM | Message Detail
I don't care about my bracket anymore. Go Auron, Zelda and Kirby.
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 8/22/2005 8:49:05 PM | Message Detail
I'm stickin' with my 50.5% for Ganon over Auron. It can EASILY go either way though.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.
From: archon105 | Posted: 8/22/2005 9:02:58 PM | Message Detail
its definately gonna be ganon...................but maybe not maybe its auron who knows? I KNOWS ITS GONNA BE GANONDORF!!!!!!------51.46%
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From: Mac Arrowny | Posted: 8/22/2005 9:03:17 PM | Message Detail
Well it's pretty much the RPG of this generation, and it doesn't look like it has any chance of losing that title, so it would definitely be worth playing at some point.

KH is more popular than FFX is. FFX sucks though, nobody should play it. It has the worst cast of any RPG ever, and the battle system's a big downgrade from ATB. It's also far shorter than the last few FFs, it took me less than half the time it took me to beat FFVI-FFIX.

Even Auron's not great. He was far lamer than the hype would have me believe, and he's certainly not nearly as cool as the walking heap of awesomeness known as Ganon. My prediction is a 57-43 win for Ganon, but I'll still be pulling for him to break 60%.
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Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent.
From: gamerkid17 | Posted: 8/22/2005 9:10:23 PM | Message Detail
Ganondorf with 55%
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The optimist says the glass is half full. The pessimist says the glass is half empty. The pragmatist, being thirsty, drinks the water.
From: JonPen1416 | Posted: 8/22/2005 9:18:35 PM | Message Detail
KH is more popular than FFX is. FFX sucks though, nobody should play it. It has the worst cast of any RPG ever, and the battle system's a big downgrade from ATB. It's also far shorter than the last few FFs, it took me less than half the time it took me to beat FFVI-FFIX.

Although I disagree with all of this, I wasn't talking about personal preference. FFX is the first thing anyone should think of when someone thinks of the most popular RPG this gen. Look at sales, contest results for both it and it's cast, the fact that FFX is still in the top 10 PS1 FAQs and Message Boards, whatever you need to. And KH is definitely less popular then FFX. KH may be talked about now, but it's all because of KH2, you know, the only game who has the kind of hype to rival TP (on GameFAQs at least).
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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 8/22/2005 9:23:13 PM | Message Detail
Well, at least the 500th post was somewhat unique...
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna
From: Dranze | Posted: 8/22/2005 9:24:03 PM | Message Detail
Yeah, but the Kirby cartoon was very, very sad.

Hey, I thought it was cool..

>_>
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"I dont know what I am talking about? I know more about gaming than 90 percent of the users on the internet." -xmagxus
From: Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted: 8/22/2005 9:24:19 PM | Message Detail
http://park10.wakwak.com/~utage/d/yoshi.jpg

Now that is a Yoshi I would vote for.

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To the man whose spirit was so free it was bothersome... Kurosaki Ichigo, my sword has been broken by your freedom of spirit.
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 8/22/2005 9:25:23 PM | Message Detail
Yeah, she's got huge...eyes.

Seriously, she does.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 8/22/2005 9:26:30 PM | Message Detail
Just like Tifa.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.
From: mr_BRIAN | Posted: 8/22/2005 9:26:33 PM | Message Detail
Had Yoshi gotten that pic against Laharl... I could easily see how he became afraid of sexy women.
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The King of all Cosmos' route to summer victory:
Round 1: (0) Voters
From: Chinballz | Posted: 8/22/2005 9:26:49 PM | Message Detail
Well, at least the 500th post was somewhat unique...

Thanks. I tried it last topic, but narrowly missed.
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From: yoblazer33 | Posted: 8/22/2005 9:28:04 PM | Message Detail
GAMONDORF! with 55% on the nose.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.
From: Phediuk | Posted: 8/22/2005 9:28:11 PM | Message Detail
God, it just pains me looking at the gauntlet and knowing that I could either gain twelve points or get nothing at all. My bracket is really riding on the next few matches, as is everybody's...
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 8/22/2005 9:28:46 PM | Message Detail
Well, there's plenty of room on that huge nose of his.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna
From: Starion | Posted: 8/22/2005 9:30:33 PM | Message Detail
It won't matter a whole lot if you have the cookie-cutter choices though (and the results went as expected.) In order to leap over other people, you really need more than one upset I think.
From: yoblazer33 | Posted: 8/22/2005 9:32:58 PM | Message Detail
Anyone think this could be the greatest five day stretch in contest history? The Summer 2002 Contest had a fantastic stretch of matches, but that lasted seven glorious days...
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.
From: Mac Arrowny | Posted: 8/22/2005 9:33:43 PM | Message Detail
FFX is the first thing anyone should think of when someone thinks of the most popular RPG this gen. Look at sales, contest results for both it and it's cast, the fact that FFX is still in the top 10 PS1 FAQs and Message Boards, whatever you need to.

KH has sold better than FFX, 2.38M to 2.27M as of May. FFX's been out longer than KH, so that margin should widen as time passes. As for popularity...I concede that FFX is more popular on GameFAQs, but look at what KH did for Cloud, Squall, and Sephiroth. That's a huge difference.
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Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent.
From: Mac Arrowny | Posted: 8/22/2005 9:35:20 PM | Message Detail
And just for interest's sake, Tidus 2k2 was at 33.8% on Link. When did he decrease?
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Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent.
From: Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted: 8/22/2005 9:36:38 PM | Message Detail
On a worldwide scale, Final Fantasy X is among one of the highest selling Final Fantasy games to date -- easily beating out Kingdom Hearts while we're at it.

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To the man whose spirit was so free it was bothersome... Kurosaki Ichigo, my sword has been broken by your freedom of spirit.
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 8/22/2005 9:37:51 PM | Message Detail
And just for interest's sake, Tidus 2k2 was at 33.8% on Link. When did he decrease?

Damn you for askin'; I was just now about to bring that issue up. Apparently, even if you adjust for WDF, I think Tidus dropped in 2k3 when everybody else Square-based gained.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.
From: Mac Arrowny | Posted: 8/22/2005 9:38:08 PM | Message Detail
On a worldwide scale, Final Fantasy X is among one of the highest selling Final Fantasy games to date -- easily beating out Kingdom Hearts while we're at it.

Yeah, but we live in America. Who cares about the rest of the world?
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Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent.
From: Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted: 8/22/2005 9:39:38 PM | Message Detail
Yeah, but we live in America. Who cares about the rest of the world?

I tend not to think of "just America" when talking about videogames sales not relating to the contest. While America is the biggest marketplace for games, it isn't where everything happens.

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To the man whose spirit was so free it was bothersome... Kurosaki Ichigo, my sword has been broken by your freedom of spirit.
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 8/22/2005 9:40:07 PM | Message Detail
Yeah, but we live in America. Who cares about the rest of the world?

That's why Microsoft's losin' so much money, mind you.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.
From: Mac Arrowny | Posted: 8/22/2005 9:40:26 PM | Message Detail
Apparently, even if you adjust for WDF, I think Tidus dropped in 2k3 when everybody else Square-based gained.

So, WDF'd down to...30%? That'd make sense, and then he could perhaps stay constant from 2k2 to 2k3, and take a small drop from 2k3 to 2k4. Assuming Magus to be 31% in 2k3, have him drop 2% from 2k3 to 2k5, and he ends up at 29%. I can see Knuckles increasing 2% for the win.
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Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent.
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 8/22/2005 9:40:44 PM | Message Detail
Or, rather, A reason.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.
From: JonPen1416 | Posted: 8/22/2005 9:41:15 PM | Message Detail
I just spent a while attempting to find sales figures to prove you wrong, but I never realized they were so difficult to find. But I would definitely trust anything HM says on such numbers anyway.
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From: transience | Posted: 8/22/2005 9:42:48 PM | Message Detail
while gamefaqs obviously has a large American population, it's far from 100% American.

I know this is obvious, but people seem to think there's only Americans here. Koreans only visit gamefaqs when starcraft is in the contest, after all!
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From: Mac Arrowny | Posted: 8/22/2005 9:44:37 PM | Message Detail
If you want me to copy and paste it from the list...

13 PS2 KINGDOM HEARTS SQUARE ENIX INC (CORP) Sep-02 2,376,635
14 GBA POKEMON RUBY NINTENDO OF AMERICA Mar-03 2,358,883
15 PS2 MEDAL HONOR FRONTLINE ELECTRONIC ARTS May-02 2,291,959
16 PS2 FINAL FANTASY X SQUARE ENIX INC (CORP) Dec-01 2,270,819

The NPD released a list of the games selling over 500K as of May 2k5. Interestingly, DMC2 was not on the list.

while gamefaqs obviously has a large American population, it's far from 100% American.

Of course it's not 100% American, I'm not even American. But America's still pretty much the only country that matters. Even the Xbox's American numbers are far from good, they're far from the N64's.
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Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent.
From: JonPen1416 | Posted: 8/22/2005 9:47:51 PM | Message Detail
Can I see the rest of the list? I don't doubt you, I'm just curious what's on it.
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From: transience | Posted: 8/22/2005 9:48:46 PM | Message Detail
I'll paste some more important numbers:

11 Final Fantasy X 36.86%
13 Kingdom Hearts 34.70%

with KH likely being inflated thanks to the entity known as Starcraft.
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