I say KOS-MOS didn't drop to Pac-man's level, but Pac-Man was underrated and ends up being around KOS-MOS's current level.
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"I dont know what I am talking about? I know more about gaming than 90 percent of the users on the internet." -xmagxus

Well, the second round should answer most of our questions. I'll wait 'til then before I say anything else on this matter.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

but Pac-Man was underrated and ends up being around KOS-MOS's current level.

Yes, and Pac-Man is underrated because of Luigi.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 28/32 points
Current Match Prediction: Mario vs. Carl Johnson

Luigi overperformed on KOS-MOS.

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

I fail to see how an RPG character can suddenly drop to near Pac-Man's 2k4 level despite having a new release out which should have kept her constant at least

Of course she didn't drop.

Luigi did the same thing to Pac-Man, which is showing in today's match.

Yeah, Luigi overperformed by the same amount on both Pac-Man and KOS-MOS. You know what you call that? Legitimate strength.

The same thing with Vyse. Vyse, a cult (notice the bold) character who remained static for two years cannot suddenly plummet to the level of the guy he beat 60-40%.

Every single word you said there applies to KOS-MOS. She's cult, she was constant for two years, and she loses to Crash with 44% now instead of beating him 62/38.
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

I'll account bet with you (or anyone with >300 Karma) that Luigi at least breaks 45%.

I would but since you're one of my favorite users here, I rather not since I don't want to make you do anything you don't want too.. =P

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"Life...Dreams...Hope...Where'd they come from? And where are they headed...? These things...I'm going to destroy!!" -Kefka

Yeah, Luigi overperformed by the same amount on both Pac-Man and KOS-MOS. You know what you call that? Legitimate strength.

Explain today's match.

Every single word you said there applies to KOS-MOS. She's cult, she was constant for two years, and she loses to Crash with 44% now instead of beating him 62/38.

Doesn't that just scream overperformance? And Squall must've needed a hell of a lot of rSFF to take down someone who's over Samus 60-40%.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 28/32 points
Current Match Prediction: Mario vs. Carl Johnson

I agree that Luigi has more strength than he is given credit for. His destroying of Pac-Man and KOS-MOS is all blamed on SFF and overperformance. While Luigi may have had some embarrasing losses, he always manages to win with at least 66% on characters that people think can give him a good match.
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Vote for Yoshi
You have no chance to survive make your time.

HM, remove that mask. NOW.

I laughed. ;)

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To the man whose spirit was so free it was bothersome... Kurosaki Ichigo, my sword has been broken by your freedom of spirit.

Here's something interesting.

In the first round of this contest, I've missed four matches: CJ/Ness, Kefka/Vercetti, Magus/Knuckles, and Ocelot/Pac-Man.

Throughout the whole of the 2004 contest, I missed only THREE matches: Joe/Tails, Sora/Ryu, Mario/Crono.

So, we're only halfway through the contest, and already I have more losses than the whole of last year's contest.

Just goes to show how much more unpredictable this year is. o_o
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Well, you could almost give some credit to the unpredictablity to the mass SFF of the 2004 bracket. So in a sense, we reap the benefits of that contest a year later.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

Explain today's match.

Uh, everything I've said thus far calls for today's to be close, at least.

Doesn't that just scream overperformance? And Squall must've needed a hell of a lot of rSFF to take down someone who's over Samus 60-40%.

Luigi is under Samus, and I don't care about 2k3. Stats generally don't hold up that well 2 years after they were created. Try and predict last year with 2k2's stats and you'll do pretty badly.

And, pray tell, why would Luigi overperform on KOS-MOS but Ryu and Samus wouldn't? Between them, they have each and every advantage that Luigi had.
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

And, pray tell, why would Luigi overperform on KOS-MOS but Ryu and Samus wouldn't? Between them, they have each and every advantage that Luigi had.

So what you're telling me is

Bowser > Yoshi > Luigi > Bowser
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I've been Pwned by KoaC. He really is the king of all cosmos.

You know, a 2 seed had never lost in the first round in a 16 seeded division, but in the last two contests where we've had 8 seeded divisions, it's happened twice.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

Luigi is under Samus, and I don't care about 2k3. Stats generally don't hold up that well 2 years after they were created. Try and predict last year with 2k2's stats and you'll do pretty badly.

So you're saying Samus would struggle with Luigi? Good luck with that.

And, pray tell, why would Luigi overperform on KOS-MOS but Ryu and Samus wouldn't? Between them, they have each and every advantage that Luigi had.

Because Luigi doing this well puts him near Samus, or plummets KOS-MOS below the VFL. And Luigi did better than Ryu on KOS-MOS. I don't find it possible that Luigi is stronger than Ryu.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 28/32 points
Current Match Prediction: Mario vs. Carl Johnson

Because Luigi doing this well puts him near Samus, or plummets KOS-MOS below the VFL. And Luigi did better than Ryu on KOS-MOS. I don't find it possible that Luigi is stronger than Ryu.

And Tifa's performance on Vyse either puts her near Cloud or plummets Vyse far below his own fodder line. And yet people have no trouble saying that Tifa is a final four or even finalist contender.

And why wouldn't Luigi be stronger than Ryu? He did 8% better against the same character!
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

So you're saying Samus would struggle with Luigi? Good luck with that.

Hey, a lot of people thought so in 2003...
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

Bowser > Yoshi > Luigi > Bowser

No, I'm telling you Bowser ~= Yoshi ~= Luigi and SFF makes up the difference.
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

And Tifa's performance on Vyse either puts her near Cloud

She wouldn't be THAT near Cloud. It puts her nearly equal with 2004 Sephiroth though, so that should set off a few alarms.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

And Tifa's performance on Vyse either puts her near Cloud or plummets Vyse far below his own fodder line. And yet people have no trouble saying that Tifa is a final four or even finalist contender.

Because Cloud is from the same game as Tifa. Saying Tifa overperformed would also imply Cloud overperformed in 2k4 against Vyse.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 28/32 points
Current Match Prediction: Mario vs. Carl Johnson

She's a "near" to Cloud as Luigi is "near" to Samus.
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

You missed the whole >40% on Sephiroth thing? I'd call that pretty strong evidence.

I call that FRANCHISE VOTING.

Forgot about Liquid? I didn't see him breaking 40% on Seph, despite the disappearance of Solid. And if it was franchise voting, then Ganon will reap the benefits again this year, since Link's not in the contest.
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Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent.

No, I'm telling you Bowser ~= Yoshi ~= Luigi and SFF makes up the difference

Whoo! And I called this first! Still not sure if it's true or not. I really wouldn't be surprised though.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

Because Cloud is from the same game as Tifa. Saying Tifa overperformed would also imply Cloud overperformed in 2k4 against Vyse.

...And what does that have to do with anything?
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

And at least this match will avoid having the lowest vote total of the contest. Looks like Lloyd/Wesker will take that "honor" now.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

...And what does that have to do with anything?

That Cloud did not overperform on Vyse in 2k4, since Vyse remained static from 2k3 to 2k4. The whole "Tifa overperformed because she's more recognizable argument" doesn't work because Cloud is from the same game as Tifa (and more recognizable than she is) and he did exactly as he was supposed to.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 28/32 points
Current Match Prediction: Mario vs. Carl Johnson

That Cloud did not overperform on Vyse in 2k4, since Vyse remained static from 2k3 to 2k4. The whole "Tifa overperformed because she's more recognizable argument" doesn't work because Cloud is from the same game as Tifa (and more recognizable than she is) and he did exactly as he was supposed to.

And when did I say that Tifa overperformed?
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

And when did I say that Tifa overperformed?

why do you think Tifa can beat Samus based on a single match with Vyse?

When you said that. Tifa's match with Vyse puts her above Samus. I thought that by saying that, you were assuming she underperformed.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 28/32 points
Current Match Prediction: Mario vs. Carl Johnson

Looks like Ocelot is making his "Last Stand" in the poll...

I wonder if he can bring it down to a loss with < 2000 votes.
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Mario vs. Ness - Bracket: Mario - Vote: Mario (28/32)

*overperformed
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Summer 2005 Contest - 28/32 points
Current Match Prediction: Mario vs. Carl Johnson

Watch the second round come around and send all the various theories derived in the first round crashing...
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

When you said that. Tifa's match with Vyse puts her above Samus. I thought that by saying that, you were assuming she underperformed.

You assumed incorrectly. I assumed that Vyse dropped, what with him having nothing come out, and his position as the cult RPG hero on the GC lost (hello, Lloyd and ToS!).
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

do you think Lloyd = Vyse 2k4?
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You assumed incorrectly. I assumed that Vyse dropped, what with him having nothing come out, and his position as the cult RPG hero on the GC lost (hello, Lloyd and ToS!).

Vyse has a cult following that will vote for him over anything else. Why would he suddenly lose all of that just because of a new GCN RPG?

And if having nothing new hurt him, then why did he remain static between 2k3 and 2k4?
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Summer 2005 Contest - 28/32 points
Current Match Prediction: Mario vs. Carl Johnson

do you think Lloyd = Vyse 2k4?

Eh, I think he's a touch under that. 18% on BL or so. Kratos, however, is a fair bit stronger. 20-21%, maybe a bit higher.
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

Vyse has a cult following that will vote for him over anything else. Why would he suddenly lose all of that just because of a new GCN RPG?

Prove it. Why would Vyse remain constant no matter what, and not, say, Luca Blight?

And if having nothing new hurt him, then why did he remain static between 2k3 and 2k4?

Because he was still the hero of the only decent RPG on the 'Cube. It's hard to be forgotten when you're the only thing there.
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

Prove it. Why would Vyse remain constant no matter what, and not, say, Luca Blight?

Better yet, Laharl. Either Yoshi was stronger, which makes Luigi look better, or Laharl dropped, despite the whole cult fanbase thing.
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

Prove it. Why would Vyse remain constant no matter what, and not, say, Luca Blight?

Luca Blight has remained static. It's not like an entire cult fanbase would alienate a character for no reason.

Because he was still the hero of the only decent RPG on the 'Cube. It's hard to be forgotten when you're the only thing there.

So Vyse's cult following would abandon him for the ToS crew?

And it's hard to be remembered when barely anyone knows your game exists.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 28/32 points
Current Match Prediction: Mario vs. Carl Johnson

And if having nothing new hurt him, then why did he remain static between 2k3 and 2k4?

Didn't they release his game for the Gamecube or PS2 during that time period? Anyway, a loss of popularity doesn't have to happen right away. Besides the cult vote comprises a very small part of the voting totals anyway (even for non-mainstream characters). Even cult characters need a little casual support in order to perform at Vyse level.

Better yet, Laharl. Either Yoshi was stronger, which makes Luigi look better, or Laharl dropped, despite the whole cult fanbase thing.

WTF? I thought Yoshi did almost close to what he was supposed to do on Laharl.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 28/32 points
Current Match Prediction: Mario vs. Carl Johnson

The Top 5 most surprising outcomes this round were:

1)Knuckles toppling Magus
2)Luigi doubling KOS-MOS
3)Tifa thrashing Vyse
4)Dante handily defeating Terra
5)Lloyd struggling with Wesker

...in my opinion.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Top 5 most surprising:

1) Knuckles beating Magus
2t) Luigi doubling KOS-MOS
2t) Tifa doing only 3% worse than Cloud on Vyse
3) Gordon being the bracket favorite in his match.
4) Vincent near quadrupling Kerrigan.
5) Lloyd bombing in Round 1.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 28/32 points
Current Match Prediction: Mario vs. Carl Johnson

Laharl would drop to 14.25% on BL based on a static Yoshi, a drop of 1.40%, or 9% of his overall popularity. But he's a cult character! He must remain constant!
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

Hmm, post like that make me wish Slow would just go ahead and do the winners and losers of the round thing he always does. For mostly being one person's opinion they are somewhat indisputable.
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Now Link, fill up your hearts
So you can shoot your sword with power

Chichiri, he has already done them in their own topic.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Gordon Freeman; 2. Mega Man

OMG! 1%. THAT IS SUCH A DRASTIC DIFFERENCE!
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Summer 2005 Contest - 28/32 points
Current Match Prediction: Mario vs. Carl Johnson

I thought he already did that. Was that sarcasm? <_<
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"i started playing mario brothers as luigi and threw the controller down in disgust in the middle of the game because he lacked character"--gokujont

It's a cult character losing 10% of his popularity. Which is supposed to be impossible, according to you.
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=22978494

Topic, just in case you were interested.
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"i started playing mario brothers as luigi and threw the controller down in disgust in the middle of the game because he lacked character"--gokujont

It's a cult character losing 10% of his popularity. Which is supposed to be impossible, according to you.

Yes, 10% of an small number. That is so much.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 28/32 points
Current Match Prediction: Mario vs. Carl Johnson

How about Aya Brea, then? Would she beat Kefka?
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie