Nah, we all expected Pac-Man would get the day vote. I'm just surprised he ate up *no pun intended* the early morning vote.

And Ocelot might be able to cut down the lead in a couple hours, but I'm really not expecting much from him.
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Ocelot vs. Pac-Man - Bracket: Ocelot - Vote: Ocelot (28/31)

No, it really doesn't. The night vote favored Ocelot, but the board vote didn't--so it actually hurt him more than it helped him. So, all things being equal, a second night vote (assuming it would be equal to the first, which it in all certainty isn't) would be more beneficial than the first, which was the opposite of the point that you were illustrating.

All things considered, Revolver and Pac-Man were practically even during the night. All things considered, Revolver has the bracket-advantage on our board. All things considered, Revolver has more fanboyism running rampant on our board. So, with all things considered, Revolver probably had the board vote...with them being as even as they were through-out the night, one would assume that means Pac-Man got the night vote. With the second night vote coming, Revolver is probably gonna be lookin' at goin' 50/50 with Pac-Man, maybe a lil' worse.
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I still say if Ocelot had his young picture he'd be winning.

All things considered, Revolver and Pac-Man were practically even during the night.

No, Ocelot was ahead by nearly 300 votes before the morning vote began to kick in.

All things considered, Revolver has the bracket-advantage on our board.

With a majority of those brackets likely busted by now.

All things considered, Revolver has more fanboyism running rampant on our board.

And King of all Cosmos had more fanboyism than Tidus. So?

So, with all things considered, Revolver probably had the board vote...with them being as even as they were through-out the night, one would assume that means Pac-Man got the night vote. With the second night vote coming, Revolver is probably gonna be lookin' at goin' 50/50 with Pac-Man, maybe a lil' worse.

Not even close. The 'board vote' was more or less the inital vote, where Pac-Man jumped out to a very early lead at the beginning of the poll. Ocelot slowly but surely took that back, and built up a steady small lead over the night. Pac-Man did *not* have the night vote, he had the board vote. If Ocelot doesn't win the second night vote, it will be a result of the first night vote =/= the second night vote, not because of the board vote giving him any significant advantage.
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"i started playing mario brothers as luigi and threw the controller down in disgust in the middle of the game because he lacked character"--gokujont

Not that any of this matters, so I don't even know why I brought it up.
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"i started playing mario brothers as luigi and threw the controller down in disgust in the middle of the game because he lacked character"--gokujont

And King of all Cosmos had more fanboyism than Tidus. So?

We have serious whining.
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Even if he does win the second night vote, its not going to be enough. He only managed to build a 250 vote lead with the first one.
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I still say if Ocelot had his young picture he'd be winning.

He'd be winning with any decent picture. Young Ocelot he'd be breaking 55.
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even when a pawn becomes a queen, it's still just a playing piece -President Johnson, MGS2. SC2k5: 29/31. Today: Ocelot, tomorrow: Mario

I don't know 'bout this whole young/old Revolver arguement. On one hand, he's gotten the majority of his fans from MGS3...but at the same time, I understand that MGS and MGS2 both sold better and were better received than MGS3. I know Revolver has smaller roles in the first two MGS's, but it's still enough for me to think it makes a minimal difference between what pics are used for Revolver...

...then again though, there's only a minimal difference between Revolver and Pac-Man right now, so maybe it would make the difference afterall. *shrugs*
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This is why I love having an upset-ridden bracket. 5 points down, but I haven't given up hope. It's gonna take me 9 down to lose the hope. My hidden weapon of 2005 Champ in the ToC will give me the advantage!
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Raiden fact of the post: Raiden has little doubts he'd SFF Ocelot now.

From: consolefreak
He'd be winning with any decent picture. Young Ocelot he'd be breaking 55.

You actually believe that, dont you.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Gordon Freeman; 2. Mega Man

MGS3 was (slightly) worse received by the press. Only the die-hard fans prefer MGS2/1 over MGS3.

Young Ocelot, as shown in the spring, > Old.
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even when a pawn becomes a queen, it's still just a playing piece -President Johnson, MGS2. SC2k5: 29/31. Today: Ocelot, tomorrow: Mario

Actually, while MGS2 sold better than MGS3, it wasn't received better by the general public. Just the opposite--Raiden and the complex storyline actually turned off a large amount of gamers to the series. MGS3 was supposed to be a 'return to form', though it's had a hard time gaining back the gamers that MGS2 drove away.
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"i started playing mario brothers as luigi and threw the controller down in disgust in the middle of the game because he lacked character"--gokujont

You do know that Pac-Man based off of Kefka from either 2004 or Spring Contest isnt that far from Ocelot, right?
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Gordon Freeman; 2. Mega Man

You actually believe that, dont you.

Yeah, I'm actually going through the denial phase right now. That's right. I care so much for my bracket, Revolver Ocelot and gaming in general that I'd be telling myself stuff to make me feel better.
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even when a pawn becomes a queen, it's still just a playing piece -President Johnson, MGS2. SC2k5: 29/31. Today: Ocelot, tomorrow: Mario

I was thinkin' more along the lines of the press and Ulti's RATE THE GAME topics when I said that about MGS2 > MGS3 being better received. I know alot of people got turned off by it...it should still be mentioned though that MGS2 outranked MGS in the Game Contest.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

MGS was SFFd.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Gordon Freeman; 2. Mega Man

You do know that Pac-Man based off of Kefka from either 2004 or Spring Contest isnt that far from Ocelot, right?

Old Ocelot, that is.
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even when a pawn becomes a queen, it's still just a playing piece -President Johnson, MGS2. SC2k5: 29/31. Today: Ocelot, tomorrow: Mario

We dont know if there is any percentage wise difference between Old and Young Ocelot. You can assume that there is, but come on over 6%?
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Gordon Freeman; 2. Mega Man

I don't know what you kids are talking about. I don't buy that MGS2 was received as poorly as you people say. I think that the MGS hardcore got pissed off because of the lack of Snake, but the casual MGS fans didn't care as much. I mean, they cared, but not enough to make them "flee from the series". And of course the hardcore aren't gonna flee anyway.

I mean... if it was as bad as you said, it was pretty clear there was no Raiden in MGS3, so yeah... I'm not buying it.
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Raiden fact of the post: That's why MGS3 didn't sell as well... no Raiden. It's true.

That was actually one of the big reasons I wanted Ocelot to get his Young Ocelot picture against Yoshi next round--to see if it would make any difference in his extrapolated standings after he lost. But now I suppose we won't know forever, given that he'll likely be given the shaft by the board next time around a la Liquid (and Liquid was far more impressive).
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"i started playing mario brothers as luigi and threw the controller down in disgust in the middle of the game because he lacked character"--gokujont

Okay Lopen when most people who play MGS 2 tell me their favorite part was the first hour, I think we can take something about their feelings.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Gordon Freeman; 2. Mega Man

Trust me, the overwhelming consensus among most gamers was an intense dislike of Raiden. Hideo Kojima noted this, contrasting the poor reception Raiden was met with in America to the great reception he received in Japan.

In addition, the sales tell a story, too. MGS sold great. Off the hype from that, MGS2 sold fantastic as well. If both series were so well received, you would have seen similar results for MGS3's sales.

But instead what you have is a 'DMC2' effect. You have the great DMC. Off of that hype, people get DMC2 and dislike it, and get turned off to the series as a whole. Lo and behold, DMC3 doesn't sell well.
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"i started playing mario brothers as luigi and threw the controller down in disgust in the middle of the game because he lacked character"--gokujont

I'm not saying that they weren't mad that Raiden was there, I'm just saying that they wouldn't all be "driven from the series" as is being claimed here. Especially with it being so clear that Raiden wasn't in MGS3.
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Raiden fact of the post: First hour? They must have received the order of Plant-Tanker.

Exactly. It is never the bad game that sells not as well, but the game after it in the series.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Gordon Freeman; 2. Mega Man

Well, the thing is...it wasn't clear that he wasn't in there. Most people who followed the hype were the 'hardcore' fans, so of course they weren't going to get turned off. But there are those who believed Raiden was there to stay (and still do). There are still those that think that the main character in MGS3 is Solid Snake. The logical view isn't what the casuals usually know about. The existence of Raiden and an overly complex story to many simply turned them off to MGS as a whole. Simple as that.
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"i started playing mario brothers as luigi and threw the controller down in disgust in the middle of the game because he lacked character"--gokujont

And unfortunately, in the NTSC version of MGS2, there was no Plant-Tanker order until Substance. So that argument doesn't really hold water.

Not that you were being serious, but still... <_<
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"i started playing mario brothers as luigi and threw the controller down in disgust in the middle of the game because he lacked character"--gokujont

It's called Snake Eater... I can't see lingering Raiden being such a problem. It's easy to blame it entirely on MGS2, but I think MGS3 could also be part of the problem itself. I know when I heard about it, it didn't sound too appealing to have to eat to survive and all of that. MGS3 was hugely different. You know how those kids are with the change.

I don't know, I can see why Devil May Cry 2 would turn the fans off, but MGS2 seemed pretty well loved with the exception of... *cough*. I know the sales tell a story... but I can't believe that's the whole story.

Anyway, I can't win. Most of the evidence is running against me at this point.
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Raiden fact of the post: Poor marketing? That's was obviously the problem, not anything to do with MGS2, or its protagonist.

You guys are acting like Snake Eater sold bad in the first place. It's sold over 1 million here. Not MGS2 numbers but better than most games could ever dream of getting. DMC3 in comparison absolutely BOMBED compared to DMC2.

Hey, like I said before on a completely unrelated matter in this topic: smaller scale. Yeah, MGS2 turned off a couple of people to the series with Raiden and the storyline. But it also retained and pleased a lot of fans with its unparalleled gameplay, fantastic production values, and thrilling twists and turns. Raiden and a psychedelic ending aren't going to cause all that to disappear. Hence, why MGS3 has sold well over three million copies when last Konami reported.

...there was virtually nothing redeemable about DMC2, to counter that. So, it bombs on a far bigger scale.
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"i started playing mario brothers as luigi and threw the controller down in disgust in the middle of the game because he lacked character"--gokujont

Hmmm... Ocelot has barely won, or barely lost, the last 4 updates. We seeing a shift?
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Raiden fact of the post: At 4pm EST, the same time as Raiden's strongest time.

I think overall MGS2 is regarded as the worst of the series. The hardcore fans that are heavy into story seem to be the ones who think it is the best of the series. Still, the number of people who dislike it far outweigh the rest.

I honestly believe Young Ocelot is at least 3% stronger than Old Ocelot. There's a reason he didn't get in until after MGS3, and although it's generally accepted that he got his fans from that, people still want to ignore it, and then go on to say in different arguements the effect of sprites and so on. I don't know why it's so wild for a character who looks and acts completely different in the games he's in to be affected on whether he has his picture of a 20 year old, or a 60 year old.

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Cheer up Emo kids.

And I think we might see a shift coming soon... in the last six updates he's gained in 4 and stalled once.

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Oh I think Young Ocelot's stronger too. Just not by as much as you're saying. I still say Pac-Man > Dr. Wily. So yeah... he wouldn't have much breathing room even with Young Ocelot.

Could I see Young Ocelot winning him around 1000 Pac-Man votes? Surely.

And hey, Ocelot barely wins another update. Maybe he's gonna try and come back with the afternoon vote.
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It's broken again.

So you people that you know a lot.Was that expected?Pac-man to beat Ocelot?
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Come on, Ocelot! At least make this exciting!
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Summer Contest Score: 29/31
Today's Pick: Revolver Ocelot

It is never the bad game that sells not as well, but the game after it in the series.

No wonder FF9 didn't do so hot.
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No, Ocelot was the huge favorite, but most figured Pac-Man could possibly win. It wasn't completely unexpected.
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Running through my head, running through my head, running through my head!

Well, we all knew there was an outside possibility this would be close, but I'm pretty sure most people thought Ocelot would be closer to Yoshi than Pac-Man. It was pretty well unexpected for Pac to actually win.
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Ocelot does it again. There's definitely something going down here. Ocelot may have a chance yet if he actually starts winning em. He's got time.
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Raiden fact of the post: 5pm EST is also Raiden's strongest time... and 6pm... 7pm...

So I guess that about 35% of the brackets will have this match right?
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So I guess that about 35% of the brackets will have this match right?

Try 45-55%.
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Ocelot vs. Pac-Man - Bracket: Ocelot - Vote: Ocelot (28/31)

Well, we all knew there was an outside possibility this would be close, but I'm pretty sure most people thought Ocelot would be closer to Yoshi than Pac-Man. It was pretty well unexpected for Pac to actually win.

Actually, I expected Ocelot to best Pac with 53-55, and Yoshi have an outside shot at a doubling.

...and Ocelot gets another perfect stall.

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So I guess that about 35% of the brackets will have this match right?

I'm going out on a limb and saying 57.

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Actually, I expected Ocelot to best Pac with 53-55, and Yoshi have an outside shot at a doubling.

Yoshi, by all means, shouldn't get a doubling if Bowser couldn't.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

We dont know if there is any percentage wise difference between Old and Young Ocelot. You can assume that there is, but come on over 6%?

Young Ocelot got about as much on Wily as old Ocelot got on Nemesis.

I'd wager Wily >>>>>>> Nemesis.
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even when a pawn becomes a queen, it's still just a playing piece -President Johnson, MGS2. SC2k5: 29/31. Today: Ocelot, tomorrow: Mario

I'd take Wily over Nemesis, too, but it's certainly not set in stone. An upset there would be more than viable.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

There won't be any perfects by the time this contest is finished. :o

Book it.

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I'd wager that Nemesis > Wily.

Nemesis > Wesker, too.
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Next victim: Master Ness

There was never a contest which someone had a perfect.We still don't know about that.But in the best villain we had a zero bracket.The only one that ever existed.
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