I'm thinking the VFL was established because Vyse has been a measure of strength for characters around him for as long as I can remember.
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"You can't have gone over a kilometer up. 1500 meters, tops." -Samus Aran
"I'll express my love to you slowly, later." -Setzer Gabbiani

Hmm, perhaps Ocelot being lower than Pac-man (If he loses) mean Bowser really didn't gain at all.
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"I dont know what I am talking about? I know more about gaming than 90 percent of the users on the internet." -xmagxus

Up 11 votes? Screw the bracket. Go Pac-Man!

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
SC2k5 - 29/31

The lead shall change in the next update. SO IT HAS BEEN ORDAINED.
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"No, you see. Here's the problem. You don't know the history of psychiatry. I do." - Tom Cruise

For the record, getting 66% on 2003 Pac-Man would put Bowser at 32.82%, .05% above Ryu's 2004 value and about 2% lower than what the Spring Contest has him. Granted, the picture could be making up the difference, but still, it's interesting to see.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

And by lead change I mean Revolver Ocelot will lead by more.
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"No, you see. Here's the problem. You don't know the history of psychiatry. I do." - Tom Cruise

Granted, the picture could be making up the difference, but still, it's interesting to see.

Well, that makes me feel slightly better, but the only way I'd feel better about Bowser > Ryu now is to see it myself.
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"I dont know what I am talking about? I know more about gaming than 90 percent of the users on the internet." -xmagxus

Holy crap!! I knew this would be close!! I'm not sure to vote for Pac man or not... ugh.... I'll vote after school...

GO PAC MAN!!
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Vote for Yoshi
You have no chance to survive make your time.

Yeah! Go Pacman.
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When this happened, all of us got PWND by Smurf
http://www.freewebs.com/vgcg/Knuckles.jpg

And the lead is his.

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
SC2k5 - 29/31

*Comes back an hour later* O WTF
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WWEGSB Hardcore Legend Masa
"Masa, everytime I talk to you, my urge for hot pockets rises. Damn you" - Linky.

OMG WE'VE GOT A SLOBBERKNOCKER ON HERE!</ross>

Excellent.
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Jon Thomson - MARIO, Samus, SOLID SNAKE, Bowser, CRONO, Squall, Sonic, MEGA MAN

Jeez, Ocelot is losing to someone Kefka beat, and he's ranked higher than Kefka in the Spring Contest, but Kefka is underrated cause of Diablo..
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"I dont know what I am talking about? I know more about gaming than 90 percent of the users on the internet." -xmagxus

Then again, Kefka is overrated because of Ganondorf.
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"You can't have gone over a kilometer up. 1500 meters, tops." -Samus Aran
"I'll express my love to you slowly, later." -Setzer Gabbiani

Wow. I am so sad I have to miss this match. I wish I could have moved in while Laharl was getting owned...
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"Apple Kid is ****ing awesome as hell." - UltimaterializerX

*wakes up and looks at updates*

So Pac-Man came back from being down by over 200 votes and is now making a lead for himself.

Go Pac-Man!
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I've been Pwned by KoaC. He really is the king of all cosmos.

Almost 200.
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I've been Pwned by KoaC. He really is the king of all cosmos.

This match is over. Pac-Man is gonna PWN the old man with the day vote. I will be shocked if I come home from work to see Pac-Man not over 52%.

And with the muncher's victory, a small step has been taken towards restoring my faith in humanity.

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
SC2k5 - 29/31

Well, Pac-Man isn't ascending as fast as I'd expect, for one. The margin of victory will be slim.
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"You can't have gone over a kilometer up. 1500 meters, tops." -Samus Aran
"I'll express my love to you slowly, later." -Setzer Gabbiani

Forget I said anything. He just owned up the last 5 minutes.
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"You can't have gone over a kilometer up. 1500 meters, tops." -Samus Aran
"I'll express my love to you slowly, later." -Setzer Gabbiani

Did I say 52%? I clearly meant 54%. He'll have 52% before I even leave for work.

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
SC2k5 - 29/31

Now this one just hurts. Ugh.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

So looking at the All-time xsts, I see Ocelot is above Pac-Man by about 3 pts.

I'm not sure if I did it correctly, but I calculated that if the stats were correct, Ocelot should beat Pac-Man something around 55-45.

So yet another match where the stats (at least so far) got incorrect?
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SSBM. Rock rock on!

Not really, I expected this, personally.
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"I dont know what I am talking about? I know more about gaming than 90 percent of the users on the internet." -xmagxus

Heh, maybe I should have taken a look at those before making my Oracle pick. And yes, the stats are technically wrong, but there's an explanation for it: Luigi overperformed on Pac-Man last year.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

Do these take into account being SFFed by Luigi and Kefka being SFFed by Crono, though?
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"You can't have gone over a kilometer up. 1500 meters, tops." -Samus Aran
"I'll express my love to you slowly, later." -Setzer Gabbiani

And Pac-man was behind SFF in 2003, which I didn't take in account until KOS-MOS's match. I would of tooken Pac-man for the upset, seriously.
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"I dont know what I am talking about? I know more about gaming than 90 percent of the users on the internet." -xmagxus

I'm not sure if I did it correctly, but I calculated that if the stats were correct, Ocelot should beat Pac-Man something around 55-45.

That's true, but we don't totally have a full grasp on the spring x-st and probably won't until this contest is over.
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I've been Pwned by KoaC. He really is the king of all cosmos.

So now we've seen Bowser, Yoshi, Luigi, and Pac-Man all do better than expected and you guys still think Luigi *overperformed* on Pac-Man? What will it take for you guys to give Luigi some credit?
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

Beating Tifa.
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"You can't have gone over a kilometer up. 1500 meters, tops." -Samus Aran
"I'll express my love to you slowly, later." -Setzer Gabbiani

Hmm, actually, that is interesting, Luigi seems underrated this year, what if nothing happened in that match and Pac-Man was just underrated too?
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"I dont know what I am talking about? I know more about gaming than 90 percent of the users on the internet." -xmagxus

So now we've seen Bowser, Yoshi, Luigi, and Pac-Man all do better than expected and you guys still think Luigi *overperformed* on Pac-Man? What will it take for you guys to give Luigi some credit?

This is going to hurt me more than you

Bowser was against a new character
Yoshi was against a very low fodder and when you're that low things change.
As for Luigi *points to Pac-Man in 2k3*
And for Pac-Man we don't know to much about the x-st from the spring contest.

There I've bashed four of my favorite characters.
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I've been Pwned by KoaC. He really is the king of all cosmos.

I'll give Luigi enough credit to think he can give Tifa quite a respectable match, which is a lot farther than some people are willing to go. However, it's just to easy to logically assume he overperformed on Pac-Man. Who does Pac-Man have besides the old school elite and the casual voting for him? No one, I say, and it's pretty difficult to not picture Luigi taking a chunk of his casual support.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

*so easy
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

Err...not sure if Slow's post was directed at me, but I'll just explain how I calculated it anyway (so someone can correct me if I'm wrong, heh)

Went to MMX's site and looked at the "All Time Xsts" list.

Ocelot has 23.38, Pac-Man 19.64 (let this number be x)

I take the inverse of (100 - x) / x, interpreting it as these two character's popularity on a scale of 0-1 with 1 being Link, or whomever those stats are used as a base with.

Taking the ratio of Ocelot's to Pac-Man's "popularity index", that comes to a relative popularity advantage of about 1.25 in favour of Ocelot.

So in terms of a head to head, I take it that Ocelot's percentage of votes / Pac-Man's percentage of votes should be 1.25.

So solving for y / (100 - y) = 1.25 yields 55.56% for Ocelot.
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SSBM. Rock rock on!

Never, ever, ever use the all time XS to calculate match results. They're meant to be a pretty list, not something useful.
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

I get 58.00% using the proper method. That's wrong.

I don't think these all-time stats adjust for Bowser/Sephiroth, Crono/Kefka and Luigi/Pac-Man though.
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"You can't have gone over a kilometer up. 1500 meters, tops." -Samus Aran
"I'll express my love to you slowly, later." -Setzer Gabbiani

Is this match over? Or will Ocelot come back?


KB

This match is over, sadly.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

Yes! Pac-Man's winning the morning vote! If he gets the day vote, there's no looking back...
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Pretty much unless something weird happens during the middle of the day. Ocelot didn't build much of a lead during the starting hours of the poll (a 200+ lead in 3 hours is not impressive in the least). It's doubtful he can overtake Pacman with the night vote.

The vote totals are absolutely awful today, BTW. This certainly doesn't bode well for Pac-Man (...or Ocelot) next round.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

I can't help but wonder what this would be like if it were Liquid instead of Ocelot. I know Liquid ranked below Ocelot in the spring, but there is no way Pac-Man could almost upset Frog. And then there's Yoshi vs Liquid to deal with, too . . .
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I need to put something here.

Zelda over Snake... BELIEVE IT.
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"You can't have gone over a kilometer up. 1500 meters, tops." -Samus Aran
"I'll express my love to you slowly, later." -Setzer Gabbiani

The vote totals are absolutely awful today, BTW. This certainly doesn't bode well for Pac-Man (...or Ocelot) next round.

Pac-Man never really brought in the votes take a look at his other matches for proof. It's probably because if you've never knew about Ocelot you'll either vote for Pac-Man or just don't plain vote.
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I've been Pwned by KoaC. He really is the king of all cosmos.

Hah. For Luigi to "SFF" Pac-Man to the point where Pac can still beat Ocelot, despite not being in the same game or even from the same company, is absurd. Pac-Man going through Spring Ocelot would be expected to get 49.17% on 2k4 Luigi. Instead, he got "SFF'd" down to 32.27%. That's far worse than the only other proven case of SFF between two close characters (Sora should have gotten 45.14% on Aeris, but only got 33.34%), and that number will rise until Pac-Man becomes indirectly stronger than 2k4 Luigi as Pac-Man rises throughout the day. Completely ridiculous.

As for KOS-MOS, getting 34% on 2k4 Luigi puts her at 16.74%, a 7.50% drop, one of the largest in contest history, and means she would now lose to Crash with 44.43% as opposed to beating him with 62%. Forgive me if I'm skeptical. The best part is that the people who think this are the same people that refuse to think that Vyse dropped at all.
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

I don't think these all-time stats adjust for Bowser/Sephiroth, Crono/Kefka and Luigi/Pac-Man though.

Crono/Kefka is adjusted using 20XXDF Kefka, and there's no reason to change the other two.
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

Luigi is alot like DK and Pac-Man many people will vote for you, but if he's against some one else you know/like people will abandon you.
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I've been Pwned by KoaC. He really is the king of all cosmos.

The vote totals are absolutely awful today, BTW. This certainly doesn't bode well for Pac-Man (...or Ocelot) next round.

It's not like the winner had a chance against Yoshi anyway.
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When this happened, all of us got PWND by Smurf
http://www.freewebs.com/vgcg/Knuckles.jpg

So now we've seen Bowser, Yoshi, Luigi, and Pac-Man all do better than expected and you guys still think Luigi *overperformed* on Pac-Man? What will it take for you guys to give Luigi some credit?

...Doesn't Luigi have to become Sonic's equal for his performance on Pac-Man NOT to be an overperformance?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna