They are 500 votes less than Lloyd/Wesker, so they are sucky.
---
Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Gordon Freeman; 2. Mega Man

Ocelot's increasing slightly...and these vote totals really seem sucky.

The characters aren't exactly big draws.
---
I can't think of anything to put here, but I can't just leave it blank, can I?

Yeah, but Magus/Frog don't do nearly as well as Crono, as we have now seen. They have the loyal CT vote to an extent (as Frog has certainly shown), but they don't measure up to him. I guess I was just talking about a more drastic main character to side character/villain relationship, though it makes sense in Snake's case since he and his game are much weaker than Crono and CT.
---
"i started playing mario brothers as luigi and threw the controller down in disgust in the middle of the game because he lacked character"--gokujont

As in, that's not the only reason that he gets votes. Snake in a different game > Crono in a different game.
---
Mario is Winnar
Next victim: Master Ness

Its funny that games that you think would have a huge difference in character strengths like Link/Gannondorf/Zelda and Mario/Bowser/Yoshi seem to be much less than other games not named FFVII or FFX.
---
Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Gordon Freeman; 2. Mega Man

If Snake and Crono were only in one game, the same game. as dual leads, Snake would SFF Crono worse than Raiden, buh-lee dat.
---
Raiden fact of the post: Raiden would also SFF Crono if he were in that same game.

No the only reason Snake gets votes is because he is the lead in MGS. His personality might tend to be build on it a bit, but the #1-#12 reason Snake gets vote is simply he is the lead of a beloved game series.
---
Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Gordon Freeman; 2. Mega Man

this is true of all game characters - for example, Yuri is a rude hero a la Cloud and he got absolutely trashed.
---
http://picturesofwalls.com

Well, Link/Ganon/Zelda and Mario/Bowser/Yoshi have a big repository of games to draw their strengths from. Ocelot isn't prominently featured in either MGS1 or MGS2, but instead is a more insidious villain behind the scenes. He's very prominent and popular in MGS3--but lo and behold, he looks completely different AND he's called by a different name (Major instead of Revolver). All being said, I'd wager Liquid would be much stronger and closer to Snake's level if he had been the main villain through the three MGS games.

Actually, I'd wager Snake would be stronger if he actually got to be the main playable character in a game again one of these days. = P
---
"i started playing mario brothers as luigi and threw the controller down in disgust in the middle of the game because he lacked character"--gokujont

Exactly, EVERY character rides the coattail of their games. Just not every side character rides the coattail of their main character the same amount.
---
Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Gordon Freeman; 2. Mega Man

Well, yeah, I thought that was obvious. But the role that the character plays in a game is obviously going to benefit how much they benefit from their game--not to mention how well they're identified with their game.

A good of example of this would be...well, presumably Kerrigan.
---
"i started playing mario brothers as luigi and threw the controller down in disgust in the middle of the game because he lacked character"--gokujont

Just to note, no other character took longer than 10 minutes to gain an 100 vote lead. Its taken Ocelot at least an hour and 15 minutes.
---
Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Gordon Freeman; 2. Mega Man

See now, it's results liek this thta make me wonder why people can tell me with a straight face that there was no SFF between Link, Yoshi, and Luigi and believe it. Of course, those same people told me that there was no SFF between Auron and Cloud or Bowser and Ness (and, iirc, Kefka and Crono as well). Heck, next we'll learn that Mario and Samus were both SFFed by Link.
---
Now Link, fill up your hearts
So you can shoot your sword with power

I wonder what would happen if we took characters' x-stat value and divided it by their game's. it would be an entertaining way of finding out who the strongest character in in proportion to how popular their game is. unfortunately, a lot of characters have multiple games and/or no game in the game contest (I'm looking at you, Mega Man), so it'd be useless.

---
http://picturesofwalls.com

Heck, next we'll learn that Mario and Samus were both SFFed by Link.

Wait, they weren't?
---
Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

Well, Ocelot started with Pac winning. Its been quite tha battle, but I'd say Ocelot has this in the bag now. He's too cool not to win.

And Ocelot is better than Liquid Snake and Big Boss. And, oddly enough, Pac-Man. ;-)
---
Hiten Mitsurugi Style.
Sieg Zeon. Call me Snake.

And just like clockwork... <_<
---
"i started playing mario brothers as luigi and threw the controller down in disgust in the middle of the game because he lacked character"--gokujont

"Wait, they weren't?"

According to cn and a few others (slowflake, ya?) they weren't. Accordign to me and a lot of others they were. It's pretty well split now, though in the past it used to be the group that didnt believe there was SFF was larger.
---
Now Link, fill up your hearts
So you can shoot your sword with power

From: Psycho_Kenshin
Well, Ocelot started with Pac winning. Its been quite tha battle, but I'd say Ocelot has this in the bag now. He's too cool not to win.

And Ocelot is better than Liquid Snake and Big Boss. And, oddly enough, Pac-Man. ;-)

You do know he is still gaining at a slower rate than Kefka and he didnt get that early 400 vote cushion Kefka had. This will be under a 700 vote contest by daybreak.
---
Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Gordon Freeman; 2. Mega Man

looks like the leads up to 103 now. whats the biggest comeback you guys remember?
---
Did you hear about the dyslexic, agnostic, insomniac who stayed up all night wondering if there really was a dog?

00:15 | Ocelot | 00827 | +778 | 50.21% | Pac-Man | 00820 | +766 | 49.79% | Lead of 0007 | (Up 12)
00:30 | Ocelot | 01402 | +575 | 49.96% | Pac-Man | 01404 | +584 | 50.04% | Lead of 0002 | (Up 9)
00:45 | Ocelot | 01924 | +522 | 50.45% | Pac-Man | 01890 | +486 | 49.55% | Lead of 0034 | (Up 36)
01:00 | Ocelot | 02366 | +442 | 50.71% | Pac-Man | 02300 | +410 | 49.29% | Lead of 0066 | (Up 32)
01:15 | Ocelot | 02775 | +409 | 50.95% | Pac-Man | 02672 | +372 | 49.05% | Lead of 0103 | (Up 37)

"Updates Left: 91
Votes per update needed for Pac-Man to catch up: 1.132
Ocelot's % last update: 52.37%
Total Votes so far: 5447"

All comes down to who gets the day vote.
---
"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

I thought they were at first, but Crono getting so close to what Mario got on Link after beating Mario really made me wonder.

Of course signs point to 2002 Mario > 2004 Mario, so who knows what to make of it?
---

I've always believed they were. Link is clearly top dog of Nintendo around here. It may not be Mario/DK SFF, but I believe there was some.
---
Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

Well, MGS is pretty bad with the day vote... not CT bad, but pretty bad. This'll remain quite close and could be as big of an upset to most of us as Knux vs. Magus.
---
Now Link, fill up your hearts
So you can shoot your sword with power

MC came back from over a 2000 vote deficit against Frog.

This contest, Vercetti came back from a 1200 vote deficit against Kefka.
---
Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Gordon Freeman; 2. Mega Man

As do I, and (regardless of the fact that those who disagree disbelieve) there's as much evidence for as there is against. Hell, they had to make up some silly "WDF" just to make it look like Samus wasn't SFF'd.
---
Now Link, fill up your hearts
So you can shoot your sword with power

"This contest, Vercetti came back from a 1200 vote deficit against Kefka."

*cough*proxyvotes*cough*
---
Now Link, fill up your hearts
So you can shoot your sword with power

I wish we had the poll updates for Pac-Man/Kefka... or Pac-Man/anybody not named Luigi. Because the way I see it, Pac-Man's weird voting patterns against Luigi was probably mostly Luigi's fault.
---
Nothing to see here.

looks like the leads up to 103 now. whats the biggest comeback you guys remember?

Duck Hunt made a comeback of over 3000 votes before falling just short of beating Donkey Kong. Starcraft made a come back of 2000 votes to take down Wind Waker.
---
"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

I htink TRE might have them saved, actually.
---
Now Link, fill up your hearts
So you can shoot your sword with power

Nope, unfortunately I don't.
---
"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

Wow. That's so unlike you. Well, guess you can fail my expactations once, but next tiem I'll have your head mounted onto my computer (just to make sure you don't miss a 3rd time).
---
Now Link, fill up your hearts
So you can shoot your sword with power

BTW, did yo uput the leaderboard %s in the last topic TRE?
---
Now Link, fill up your hearts
So you can shoot your sword with power

I didn't know they made supercomputers with heads.
---
Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

Yep.
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/detail.php?board=8&topic=22936258&message=250293068
---
"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

the perfects and -1's all had 100%. if you want more, yeah, it's in the last topic.
---
http://picturesofwalls.com

I never thought Ocelot would be pulling away so very, very, very slowly. I can't see him winning the day vote over Pac-Man, honestly.

And I'm guessing the vote totals for this match will be abysmal. x_x
---
"i started playing mario brothers as luigi and threw the controller down in disgust in the middle of the game because he lacked character"--gokujont

From: Lopen | Posted: 8/19/2005 4:06:16 AM | Message Detail | #106
If Snake and Crono were only in one game, the same game. as dual leads, Snake would SFF Crono worse than Raiden, buh-lee dat.

Well duh. Crono wouldn't speak.

~*ST*~
---
Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Thing is, based on Luigi/Pac Man, this is Pac Man's strongest time... heheh. Sounds stupid, doesn't it?
---
Like I said though, probably Weej's fault.

Gracias. Too bad we couldn't cull the weak on that one. Guess Yoshi over Laharl was too easy, lol.
---
Now Link, fill up your hearts
So you can shoot your sword with power

Dang it...is it wrong that I'm now imagining an MGS/CT hybrid with Snake and Crono as the leads? And with Liquid and Magus to create the most ungodly rivals ever? And combining their stories, and having MGS's characters and CT's music and--

--oh, whoops, I have to go change my sheets.
---
"i started playing mario brothers as luigi and threw the controller down in disgust in the middle of the game because he lacked character"--gokujont

Hey, I know it's "duh", but that was my point. Crono clearly mooches off "main character status" more than Snake does. Put Crono's character in Frog's position in the story and he's not going to be the strongest character, or even close to it.

Put Snake in Raiden's position? I actually think he might still be the most popular.
---
Raiden fact of the post: The above post may have implied that Raiden wasn't already the most popular... don't think like that.

...how does Ocelot manage to win only 3 votes a flippin' update?
---
"i started playing mario brothers as luigi and threw the controller down in disgust in the middle of the game because he lacked character"--gokujont

One for each country he's playing.
---
Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

Oh. I guess he heard me.
---
"i started playing mario brothers as luigi and threw the controller down in disgust in the middle of the game because he lacked character"--gokujont

I'm goin' to bed (good night of clubbin', heh), but I do gotta say this: Pac-Man rules. I'll ask this though: despite similar results thus far, would anybody actually take Revolver over Kefka?
---
Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

I think today's match may prove that percentage trends aren't always the same for each character from match to match. Each poll has a life of its own and all that.

From: Lopen | Posted: 8/19/2005 4:38:40 AM | Message Detail | #142
Hey, I know it's "duh", but that was my point. Crono clearly mooches off "main character status" more than Snake does. Put Crono's character in Frog's position in the story and he's not going to be the strongest character, or even close to it.

Put Snake in Raiden's position? I actually think he might still be the most popular.

Ah, an excellent point. In fact, I think Crono leeches off of that factor more than anyone else I can think of right now.




On another note, you've beaten Ninja Gaiden. How the F do you beat the last boss? I can't even hit him!

~*ST*~
---
Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

despite similar results thus far, would anybody actually take Revolver over Kefka?

Depends. Charismatic young Ocelot or "I look like 40-year-old cracked paint" Ocelot?
---
Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

Actually wait, I need help with Jaquio.

~*ST*~
---
Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus