Knuckles just beat Magus, who beat Ganondorf in 2003. Ganondorf beat Alucard in 2004, and Alucard is slightly weaker than Squall. Another victory for the echidna is quite possible here.

Of course, using this method, Knuckles is Sonic's equal and stronger than the guy who beats him 60/40 every year.

Sound the alarm.
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Faithful supporter of Squall Leonhart in SC2K5

#3: Bowser Koopa vs. Ryu
Winner of this match takes the division. Both men got less impressive victories in round 1, both barely breaking 55% on their opponents. I got Bowser taking this one, but I'd love to be wrong here.

O rly?

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2080

>_>
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I know what I'm getting into, I don't care if I die trying!-Peppita Rossetti

I love the fallacies in the Knuckles/Squall match; it gives me hope for Knuckles. False hope...but hope.
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It's kinda weird how people want to use Magus/Ganondorf 2003 as proof that Knuckles could beat Squall, and yet Ganon and Knux share a common opponent. It's pretty obvious which one did far better.
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O rly?

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2080

Ya rly

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1762
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Summer 2005 Contest - 27/30 points
Current Match Prediction: Yoshi vs. Laharl

There are too many good matches in the 2nd round that deserve great pics (Auron/Ganon, Bowser/Ryu, etc.).

I dunno, I think Bowser/Ryu would look very good if Ceej doesn't royally screw up the pic selection. I'm expecting Ryu to get his Third Strike portrait. Maybe Bowser gets the pic he had against Ocelot.

I think Bowser/Ryu would look very good if Ceej doesn't royally screw up the pic selection.

As in, Bowser getting the picture he gets 99% of the time? He probably will, unfortunately. We should get Paper Mario Bowser.
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Faithful supporter of Squall Leonhart in SC2K5

Ceej so stole my style, except he dropped the sprites. I liked my Mario/Ness better, too.
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

I agree with that list for the most part, the big difference is I'd swap Kirby/Tidus with Knuckles/Squall. I really have a bad feeling I've kissed my two points goodbye by picking Tidus.

And no, I don't think Bowser looked better coming out of round 1 than Ryu did. Rikku >> Chun Li, I think. Ryu's still got my full confidence.
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Raiden fact of the post: After you've defeated the dragon punch, you must also defeat the cartwheel to stand a chance!

Lopen: I never outright praised Ninja Gaiden. I just said it's hard as hell, but now that I'm almost done the game I realize it's due to piss poor design. Respawning enemies, questionable collision detection and not being able to jump backwards very well are absolutely horrible.

And my Mario 64 came in the mail! <3

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

hm... my most anticipated second round matches:

1. Knuckles/Squall, just because I want to see what the hell happened to Magus.

2. Dante/Vincent, because I'm not yet buying into the Vincent hype.

3. Snake/Zelda, because, despite everyone saying Snake isn't "noble nine", he's yet to lose to someone. Zelda is his first test.

4. Kirby/Tidus, because I think Kirby is the favourite.

5. Ganon/Auron, for obvious reasons.

6. Bowser/Ryu, also for obvious reasons.

7. Zero/Lloyd, to find out how strong Lloyd / TOS actually is. also, it should give us a good clue as to who's stronger between Lloyd and Kratos.

8. Tifa/Luigi, because this will give us a much better clue on how strong Tifa is.

9. MC/DK, because I can actually see DK winning.

10. Alucard/Sora, because while this match is supposed to be close, I don't really care who wins.

11. Samus/Frog, to figure out if Frog can go 55/45 with Samus or 70/30. either one is a possibility.

12. Mega Man/Leon, because it'll be interesting to see how Leon does.

13. Mario/Ness, just because I'm curious as to how Ness will end up.

14. Yoshi/Ocelot, blah.

15. Sonic/Diablo, blah.

16. Crono/TV, superblah.
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Which characters do you think will benefit most from the second round's picture theme? Which characters will get screwed by it?
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(he seems pumped....perhaps?)

You know, DK could theoretically beat Master Chief, in what would probably be the funniest upset ever. It's rather unlikely (I think it will be more like 55/45 in MC's favor), but still possible.
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

All this talk of Tifa being so strong.... I don't think so.

IMO, the reason Tifa won by such a large margin is the fact that nobody except the crazed GC fanboys care about Vyse anymore. His time has come and gone, and this will be his last contest.

Besides, at least he still got 20% on FFVII. ^_^

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Ya rly

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1762

That was a Round 1 match where Bowser or Ryu broke 55%?
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55/45 mc's favor?

I dunno... more like 65/35
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My Summer Contest Score: 25/29 - Todays Upset Pick: Gordon Freeman
KingBartz: Been a Virgin since '87

So DK = CATS?
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

Wait...if we have ultra-closeups this round, and sprites in the next...

TIFA LOSES PIC ADVANTAGE? = O
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"i started playing mario brothers as luigi and threw the controller down in disgust in the middle of the game because he lacked character"--gokujont

Well, Ulti, I know you didn't extensively praise it, but I can't shake... "This game is hard as hell! <3". I may have just inserted the <3... heh.

Actually, I kinda hate the respawning enemies too. When you're jumping to a ledge and a damn bird will be there, you don't jump, let the bird come to you, and double back a bit to kill it. As you approach the ledge a second time, well, there's our fine feathered friend again! I'd actually just fool the spawn by doubling back ever so slightly to remove the bird from the screen then proceeding.

I guess using that as an actual tactic proves that the game is flawed. Not that I care, it's still one of my favorite NES games, even if it is a bit frustrating at times. (often for the wrong reasons, but that's what NES games are MADE of, man)

I also agree about the not being able to jump backwards, but that was clearly intended for some reason or another...
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Raiden fact of the post: Raiden taught Ryu Hayabusa to jump backwards... he thought it was a pretty ridiculous lesson but he still respects the guy.

It's utterly ridiculous. If they were going for some form of realism in that particular physic while including enemies magically reappearing out of thin air after moving backwards one millimeter and Ryu being able to literally cling to walls, then they're idiots.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

So DK = CATS?

It's very difficult to calculate CATS's strength through the matches he is in. CATS has an extremely loyal fanbase, who will vote for him in spite of anything, maybe more than 12% of the vote.

Also, you need to take into consideration the fact that Master Chief also has an extremely loyal anti-fanbase. He probably gets more anti-votes than Cloud does. If you combine these two speculative factors, it's not hard to see why CATS performed so well against the Chief.

I'm not saying DK will do as badly as CATS, but he won't do much better.

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KingBartz: Been a Virgin since '87

Don't forget that anti-MC fanbase would also help DK's cause.
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The Anti Master Chief fanbase inflates CATS % more than it'll inflate DK's % though, don't forget that.

And now that I think about it, the odd backwards jumping may have been to help thwart climbing up a single wall with your wall sticking. (although it failed) Or something to do with the wall sticking.. single wall climbing wouldn't have been the same otherwise.
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Raiden fact of the post: Single wall climbing? Raiden prefers to just climb it rather than hop out and back repeatedly...

It's very difficult to calculate CATS's strength through the matches he is in.

Eggplant CATS is the most consistent character ever (without including the WDF), and Face CATS from the Spring predicts 2k3 MC/Face CATS within, like, a quarter of a percent. I can't see how you can possibly say that.

CATS has an extremely loyal fanbase, who will vote for him in spite of anything, maybe more than 12% of the vote.

Didn't we discard that theory when CATS nearly beat Ansem? CATS is character like any other. There's nothing special about him other than the fact that Face CATS > Eggplant CATS.

Also, you need to take into consideration the fact that Master Chief also has an extremely loyal anti-fanbase.

Yeah, that helped Crash out a whole lot. And if they don't make a difference against fodder, they they won't make a difference against an established character, because I'll bet most people that would antivote MC would vote for DK anyway.

I'm not saying DK will do as badly as CATS, but he won't do much better.

And I'm saying that's absurd.
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

Yeah, no way DK'll do as bad as CATS. I'm thinkin' 54-46, myself.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

DK will do better than 35%, CATS having a loyal fanbase is just an excuse, DK is WAY stronger than CATS.
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"I dont know what I am talking about? I know more about gaming than 90 percent of the users on the internet." -xmagxus

It's difficult for me to fathom Master Chief failing to break 60% on Donkey Kong.

I'm betting he gets 60% at the least.

Didn't we discard that theory when CATS nearly beat Ansem? CATS is character like any other. There's nothing special about him other than the fact that Face CATS > Eggplant CATS.

That was a completely different situation. It was basically a battle between two unpopular characters. But what I was trying to say is that, no matter who he faces, CATS has an extremely loyal core fanbase, and that is what contributed to his high score on MC.


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KingBartz: Been a Virgin since '87

Zero looks like he's saying "Get that ****ing camera out of my face."
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Lloyd looks like he's stoned.
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My Summer Contest Score: 25/29 - Todays Upset Pick: Gordon Freeman
KingBartz: Been a Virgin since '87

I'm betting he gets 60% at the least.

DK can easily break 40%, as CATS broke 30%

That was a completely different situation. It was basically a battle between two unpopular characters. But what I was trying to say is that, no matter who he faces, CATS has an extremely loyal core fanbase, and that is what contributed to his high score on MC.

That's not a different situation, CATS is ranked higher than his 2004 level using the Spring stats, simply because he had a face picture. It was more recognizable. CATS having a loyal fanbase doesn't make him stronger than DK, CATS may have a loyal fanbase, but it's only big when he has a face pic.


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"I dont know what I am talking about? I know more about gaming than 90 percent of the users on the internet." -xmagxus

Crash, as far as I know, has no fanbase whatsoever, so I wouldn't base anything on Crash. DK's got a fanbase, and MC definitely has an anti-fanbase. I'll take 55-45, MC.
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DK's no bum (as long as he's not facing another Nintendo character, at any rate). He may not be all that strong, but he's a solid midcarder. Master Chief won't break 60% on him, not even close.
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It's just not the same without this name.
Faithful supporter of Squall Leonhart in SC2K5

For DK to not break 40%, he'd be around Vyse level, the guy he scored 62% on, you'd have to hope for a huge drop.
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"I dont know what I am talking about? I know more about gaming than 90 percent of the users on the internet." -xmagxus

My veiwpoint stands a bit corrected.

After doing some research, I realized I had miscalculated DK's strength(which is probably why I chose that lousey Sam Fisher upset >_<).

But still, DK isn't getting any stronger. It might be against the statistics, but I'm predicting Master Chief winning 60-40. Besides, Knuckles > Magus defied the stats, no?

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My Summer Contest Score: 25/29 - Todays Upset Pick: Gordon Freeman
KingBartz: Been a Virgin since '87

BUT VYSE DROPPED WHY ELSE DID THE INSPIRATION FOR HOOTERS DO SO WELL GOD KNOWS SHES NOT COMPARABLE TO CLOUD CUZ CLOUD WON A CONTEST AND SHES A GIRLY GIRL I BET AERIS IS STRONGER CUZ OF THE SPOILERZ???/?
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
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If you're gonna predict that then Sam Fisher is hella weak.

Knuckles > Magus defied the stats, no?

Stats pointed to Magus being overrated.
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"I dont know what I am talking about? I know more about gaming than 90 percent of the users on the internet." -xmagxus

Besides, Knuckles > Magus defied the stats, no?

Well, there is that lousy Sam Fisher guy.
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It's just not the same without this name.
Faithful supporter of Squall Leonhart in SC2K5

I'll go ahead and guess; 72.36% have Leon over Gordon.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

Why does then entire last division have to be so boring...?
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65.42% had Sam over Gordon last year, and 65.22% had Max over Gordon in 2003. Therefore, I will say that, 65.32% had Leon over Gordon this year.
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Faithful supporter of Squall Leonhart in SC2K5

I think the amount that have Leon over Gordon will be surprisingly low, since Leon was one of the characters that got carried into the contest on the back of the contest board... I say it's 60%, give or take.
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Gordon also had 56.29% against Tina in a 3/14-seed match, as well.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

At this rate, I'm willing to bet we get the inside of each character's nose for our Round 3 pics.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

I'll take 69.56% for Leon.
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That would be a real unfair disadvantage for characters like Samus or MC, where you can't see their noses. <_<
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67.67% for Leon.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

What about Kirby then, if he makes it past Tidus? HE DOESN'T HAVE A NOSE, DAMN YOU CJAY. Completely unfair.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
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Wow. I don't know if this has been brought up, but I think Mario's nose is literally 100x the size of Ness's. Wow.
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Wow. Board 8: Where people treat each other right. Wow.

I would send Ceej $10 if Tifa's pic in Tifa vs. Luigi is a closeup of her breasts.
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"If you want Bells & Whistles, I suggest you attend the Circus."--Lance F'n Storm

That would be a real unfair disadvantage for characters like Samus or MC, where you can't see their noses. <_<

But now the TRUE reign of Ganondorf begins, thanks to that Gargamel schnoz of his.