From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 8/15/2005 12:23:21 PM | #098
I bet I could find over 10,000.

Yeah, but you're partystar. You couldn't find one person who doesn't know who Rikku is.
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I'm not trying to argue about Crash and Ryu and Squall.

What I'm trying to say is that this is only between Luigi and KOS-MOS, and it comes down to who is more popular and who is liked more. More people know and recognize Luigi, and like him more than KOS-MOS. Tie that in with him being underrated and you have some kind of explanation of how he's dominating.

Still, I didn't believe it would be to this extent. I would have put a ceiling at 60%. Never in my mind would I think Luigi would easily double her and keep rising.
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By the way, I just took a closer look, and Luigi is really impressing me, not just with the day vote, but also with the fact that he hadn't even dipped below 64.5% the whole time.

But I am also really impressed with his day vote.
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As for Ryu, look at his match with Rikku. Rikku is more popular than Ryu, explaining why she did better than expected. The majority just like Ryu more.
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Luigi vs. KOS-MOS - Bracket: Luigi - Vote: Luigi (24/27)

I'm not trying to argue about Crash and Ryu and Squall.

What I'm trying to say is that this is only between Luigi and KOS-MOS, and it comes down to who is more popular and who is liked more. More people know and recognize Luigi, and like him more than KOS-MOS. Tie that in with him being underrated and you have some kind of explanation of how he's dominating.

Still, I didn't believe it would be to this extent. I would have put a ceiling at 60%. Never in my mind would I think Luigi would easily double her and keep rising.

This is actually what I agree with most. Despite the fact that I would LIKE to say this actually gives Luigi a fighting chance against Tifa again, in reality, I just think you can't extrapolate so precisely through how badly one character beats another.
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As for Ryu, look at his match with Rikku. Rikku is more popular than Ryu, explaining why she did better than expected. The majority just like Ryu more.

Of course, I don't agree with total oxymorons like this.
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Oops, I should have said she's more known than Ryu, but the voters like Ryu more than Rikku.
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Luigi vs. KOS-MOS - Bracket: Luigi - Vote: Luigi (24/27)

I think this may be where Luigi stops rising.
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Oops, I should have said she's more known than Ryu, but the voters like Ryu more than Rikku.

You mean more LIKED than Ryu but more voters knew who Ryu was?
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MasterMage119

I think this may be where Luigi stops rising.

Yeah, no one has ever stalled for two updates than continued to rise. Ever.
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From this point to the end of her match with Ryu, KOS-MOS rose 0.47%. Almost all of that was with the second night vote.
From this point to the end of his match with Pac-Man, Luigi lost 0.38%, mostly in the second night vote.

I'd expect Luigi to continue to gain minorly during the day, and for KOS-MOS to make minor strides against him at night.
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Man, I was joking yesterday when I said Luigi would gain 3% during the day, but it seems like my joke may actually come true. I figured he'd be able to gain 1% at this high %, at the most and they'd really just stagnate at 65%. Seems like Luigi doesn't "suck with the day vote" as much as he let off.

And yeah, RPGuy, I agree with every word. I have no idea why Vyse would be immune to doing crappier than expected. Eh, this topic is full of FF7 marks, damn it!
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Ha ha ha, a doubling. Watch Yoshi absolutely kill Laharl now. Should do if, as I believe, cult RPG characters collapse in popularity extremely quickly.
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I have no idea why Vyse would be immune to doing crappier than expected.

He's not immune. He can fall, but he hasn't shown any signs that he actually did fall.
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We'll only know if Vyse feel after the Tifa/Luigi match.
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From: Slowflake | Posted: 8/15/2005 11:55:32 AM | Message Detail | #033
Anyone think the X-Sts should be done with ranges instead of fixed values from now on?

No. Let the Xsts **** people up.

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We had all of two matches to determine that Vyse stayed "constant". I don't know why people are determined to cling to stats the instant something seems right, when we are still always having to constantly compensate for them.

I can see if we had tons of matches for a character to determine their relative strength....
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Anyone think the X-Sts should be done with ranges instead of fixed values from now on?

If people insist on continuing to do them, I guess, although that wouldn't be inherently different than what they are now, it would just be a different way of displaying the same, flawed data.
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he hasn't shown any signs that he actually did fall

Getting 22% on Tifa... that's not a sign? See, the problem here is, this topic will sooner call that Tifa being an absolute beast. Just looking at the FF7 fanbase, it's more logical for Tifa to be closer to Aeris in popularity than Sephiroth. While I do think she'll have a slight edge over Aeris, I don't think it's a 10% on 2k3 Link edge, like everyone here seems to think.

I mean, what other sign could you want? The only signs we can obtain are from the polls themselves.
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The big problem with the stats is that last year's bracket sucked and we plugged two year old data into about half of it.

During the spring, everyone kept saying that they were hoping for the "odd" voting changes to carry over into the summer. Well, it's happened, and now the contests make even less sense. If you're an Xst fanboy, anyway.

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By the way, someone mentioned a long time ago that Square and Nintendo were dominating this contest. They're wrong. Final Fantasy 7 and Nintendo are dominating this contest.

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Getting 22% on Tifa... that's not a sign?

Considering we've never seen Tifa before, we can't say that it is. We can only speculate.
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We had all of two matches to determine that Vyse stayed "constant". I don't know why people are determined to cling to stats the instant something seems right, when we are still always having to constantly compensate for them.

He has two matches where he seems constant and two matches against characters who have never faced anybody else. Assuming Vyse fell because of his match seems a lot more like "believing something because it seems right" then beling he was constant because has has been in his last two contests.

Getting 22% on Tifa... that's not a sign?

No, it isn't. We have no idea where Tifa stands.
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I just think that Nintendo increased across the board and that Mario is going to be an absolute beast in this contest.

Anyone think that Mario can beat Sephiroth? It'd be hilarious if we had a Cloud/Mario rematch to end the entire contest. Anything but Link/Mario again.

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Anyone think that Mario can beat Sephiroth?

No, but I wouldn't be surprised if he broke 45% on him.
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Anyone think that Mario can beat Sephiroth? It'd be hilarious if we had a Cloud/Mario rematch to end the entire contest. Anything but Link/Mario again.

Dear Lord, if only. The only thing that would make me happier is a Solid Snake increase leading to his defeat of ... well, everyone.

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Either way, I'm still very impressed by what Luigi is doing here. However, regardless of how you adjust him for SFF (bringing him up based on Samus's 2004 value), it would only project a 55/45 win.

As I said before, Luigi based on 2003 Pac-Man projects a 64.11% win here. Now if Yoshi quadruples Laharl, it all lines up.....


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Final Fantasy 7 and Nintendo

Should read.

Post Final Fantasy 7 and Nintendo



KB

H-h-h-holy crap.

DAYUM Luigi is kicking ass. Normally this would make me extremely happy in the groinal region... but my love of Xenosaga is holding me back. I think it can break through though, because this is fan-****ing-tastic.

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As I said before, Luigi based on 2003 Pac-Man projects a 64.11% win here. Now if Yoshi quadruples Laharl, it all lines up.....

I wouldn't really be shocked by that.
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MasterMage119

Squall hasn't done anything of note yet.

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Should read.

Post Final Fantasy 7 and Nintendo

Squall didn't exceed expecatations and Vivi got owned hard. So did Zidane.
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MasterMage119

Well, FFX has looked good in this contest (except for Tidus), too. Just that two of them got done in by having to face opponents out of their league.
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Tidus?

Auron?

Squall as well.

They may not be superstars, on the Level Megaman or Sonic.. but they not to far below those those two.

KB

From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 8/15/2005 12:05:31 PM | Message Detail | #116
From: Slowflake | Posted: 8/15/2005 11:55:32 AM | Message Detail | #033
Anyone think the X-Sts should be done with ranges instead of fixed values from now on?

No. Let the Xsts **** people up.

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Summer 2005 Contest Score : 25/26
Rank : 20/33793 Today: Tifa Tomorrow : Luigi

Listen, I know that we technically have "no idea" where she stands, but my logic consists of more than just "Vyse fell because it looks right". Anyway, I have no idea why I'm going back to this well, I already conceded yesterday that I have no way to prove anything to anyone at this point.

And I don't even believe it's really Vyse falling, actually. I just think he collapsed for some reason or another. I think all fodder/near fodder is capable of doing that. If Lara Croft came back next year, I wouldn't be that surprised if she were back at 21% on 2k3 Link given the right opponent. Yeah, it sounds stupid, but that's why I'm now on the "don't use the X-Stats to measure through fodder" bandwagon... for now. Maybe I'll change my tune again in round 2.
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And honestly, it's possible that we haven't been able to get a very clear read on Bowser, Luigi, and Yoshi in any of the summer contests. People have speculated that Cloud overperformed on Bowser for a long time, which would mess both he and Yoshi up. They could all be in the same range, only with SFF putting one over the other.

It doesn't explain why Luigi bombed against Squall (unless you want to believe he's elite. As much as I'd love to think that, I can't say he is), but whatever.

Or you could just say that KOS-MOS is suffering from an unrecognizable picture. People make this claim about Kefka all the time.
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Or you could just say that KOS-MOS is suffering from an unrecognizable picture. People make this claim about Kefka all the time.

That doesn't make them right. And the people who would vote KOS-MOS would probably know her regardless of picture.
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MasterMage119

When you say Dominate... its unfair to the non-FF7 Square Characters that do well.

Its also unfair to Megaman, Sonic, Snake, Master Chief and others who dont belong to Square or Nintendo.

Lets not forget about Crono either.

Mario and Samus are the two Nintendo Characters that could win this.

Realistically of the top 5 characters that are likely to win tournament (based on previous contests)

1 is Square.
2 are Nintendo
2 arent either.


KB

I just realized that if Mario or Samus won the main bracket, all three matches in the ToC would be rematches. CvL3, M/S attempting to avenging their loss to Sephy, and then C/L defeating the winner like they did last time they fought. (unless it's C/M, then Cloud evens the score)
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And the people who would vote KOS-MOS would probably know her regardless of picture.

I've said this repeatedly about Kefka, too, but no one seems to take it seriously.
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Is it at all possible that Vyse the Legend underperformed due to facing a much more popular character of the same genre? It is probably unlikely, I am just throwing it out there. If this is true, it would explain why Tifa Lockheart appeared to perform nearly as well as Cloud Strife, himself.

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Is it at all possible that Vyse the Legend underperformed due to facing a much more popular character of the same genre? It is probably unlikely, I am just throwing it out there. If this is true, it would explain why Tifa Lockheart appeared to perform nearly as well as Cloud Strife, himself.

That would require Tifa to pull in much, much more SFF than Cloud did.
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MasterMage119

I've said this repeatedly about Kefka, too, but no one seems to take it seriously.

I agree with you in this case.
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Well, that would be an explanation if he didn't look almost exactly constant despite facing Cloud last year.

I'm not going to speculate too much more on this at this point. I'm just going along for the ride now. GO LUIGI!
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I do agree with what Crono implied about Luigi. This big win over Kos-Mos Makes Squall look stronger than he actually is.

^_^


KB

Maybe Vincent is in for some trouble..
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Well, maybe I'm not entirely done speculating...One more thing. This performance by Luigi today kinda gives support to what some were saying yesterday, about how several other characters from FFVII could do what Tifa did to Vyse yesterday. It may be that highly mainstream and highly recognizable characters (such as Luigi and Tifa, at least here on GameFAQs) are more prone to overperform on cultish characters (such as Vyse and KOS-MOS).

However, there's always an exception, as Cloud and Ryu seem to throw a wrench into the works of this.
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BUY OR SELL: A member of the Noble Nine will lose to an outside character this contest.

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I would think every picture we've seen of KOS-MOS thus far is more recognizable than any picture we've seen of Kefka thus far, with only Angel Kefka being a possible exception.
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