Character strength has little to do with potency with particular times of day. Luigi lost a large chunk of the vote in the day against Ratchet of all characters.

Ah, but you fail to realize that Luigi and Ratchet both benefit highly from the day time kiddie vote, whereas KOS-MOS would not, in this case.
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Do you earnestly believe I'm arguing for Luigi to be at 42.5%?

But didn't you just say it'd make sense for Ratchet's best time to be during the day? Why wouldn't it be the same for Jak? They're from the same genre, released on the same platform, and are constantly compared to one another.

I might be wrong, but I think Ratchet & Clank is a more popular series in general.
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From: Lopen | Posted: 8/15/2005 3:52:43 AM | Message Detail | #387
There's no logical reason she'd be "fading" any more in 2k4 than she was in 2k3 or 2k2

Obviously there was, as people expected it and were right (though off on the degree).

Just because speculations exist doesn't mean they have any merit.

Science is in large part about testing hypotheses...if you have a hypothesis, which is then confirmed by observation, then that means more than after-the-fact explanations of observations.

If a certain group of people successfully predicted an event to happen, you would trust their logic over that of people who failed to predict it; or people who said nothing beforehand and try to explain it afterwards.
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They're equal at best. I'd say Jak's series is more popular. It sold better, anyway.
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I might be wrong, but I think Ratchet & Clank is a more popular series in general.

Sadly, that's not correct. As great as R&C is, it's easily overshadowed in sales by the Jak series.
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Ratchet & Clank isn't particularly that well known (not to mention, IIRC, the series hasn't had the best of sales).
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They're equal at best. I'd say Jak's series is more popular. It sold better, anyway.

Well, either way, RPGuy'D and such. You're clearly just blinded by some sort of bias, if you catch my drift.
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Just because speculations exist doesn't mean they have any merit.

Exactly. Just because Vyse can fall doesn't mean he did.
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Ah, but you fail to realize that Luigi and Ratchet both benefit highly from the day time kiddie vote, whereas KOS-MOS would not, in this case.

And Albedo would be one of the last characters you'd expect to benefit from the kiddy vote (har har, get it? He's a pedophile!), and he took off a lot from Bison's percentage during the day. Granted, SF isn't exactly notorious for doing well with the day vote, but Luigi hasn't shown any signs of being good with it either.
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Luigi was up around 70% at this time against Pac-Man, so I can see him dropping a little here to...something around 63%
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You're clearly just blinded by some sort of bias, if you catch my drift.

Oh, I personally don't expect this to line up with the stats by any stretch of the imagination by now. I just don't see Luigi dominating with the day vote, as Lopen seems to be predicting.
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I think that Luigi can maintain his percentage here. KOS-MOS isn't someone that fits the general "increases during the day" profile. There are exceptions to that profile of course, but KOS-MOS only held Ryu even from about this point on, while Luigi did gain on Yoshi. I don't see Luigi dropping much from here, and he might even gain.

Though after writing the above I read Leonhart's point about Albedo, and that does have some merit.
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At the same time, Ryu did a nice job in neutralizing his day vote loss against KOS-MOS last year. He lost one percent in the final twenty hours of the match.
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Oh, I personally don't expect this to line up with the stats by any stretch of the imagination by now. I just don't see Luigi dominating with the day vote, as Lopen seems to be predicting.

That wasn't actually what I was getting at, but okay.
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Blinded by Lopen's tickery, you all are!

Clown Prince of Crime, he is.
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Trickery.*

v_v
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Yeah. I'm amused no one's noticed yet...
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I noticed his sig. Don't worry about it.
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Heh. That crazy Lopen. What with his sig and such.
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Sure you did, Leon. Sure you did.
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I didn't actually take him seriously when he used his "logic" to peg Luigi at that area in the first place. I was just arguing against Luigi dominating the day vote.
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If a certain group of people successfully predicted an event to happen, you would trust their logic over that of people who failed to predict it; or people who said nothing beforehand and try to explain it afterwards.

But how many other failed hypotheses does this board generate? There are so many random speculations that exist on this board, of course a somewhat popular one will become true once in a while. Simply stating that "Lara is fading", and then it being true is just not enough. There was no reason for it to be so. Lara's peak was well before 2003, and she rose from 2002-2003.

Damn... and I had a nice explanation as to why Albedo would win the kiddie vote against M. Bison... why'd you rain on my parade!
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It worked. :P
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Riiiight.
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^^^

To Leon.

<_<
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I didn't even say anything about his "projected area" for Luigi. Heck, I wouldn't complain one way or the other. I love the eternal understudy to death.
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I did not notice his sig, but I did think he was joking about the Luigi increasing massively thing, which is why I didn't comment on it.

Though I don't think his other posts were jokes, really. I think he believes them.


From: Lopen | Posted: 8/15/2005 4:09:22 AM | Message Detail | #423
But how many other failed hypotheses does this board generate? There are so many random speculations that exist on this board, of course a somewhat popular one will become true once in a while.

Uh, yeah. And the conditional probability is that the good ones are the ones that become true, and the bad ones don't.

Simply stating that "Lara is fading", and then it being true is just not enough. There was no reason for it to be so. Lara's peak was well before 2003, and she rose from 2002-2003.

Look man, do I really have to go into this? Clearly people had their analytical reasons for thinking she was dropping at the time, that's neither here nor there.
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well im screwed with the contest
i wanted kratos auron to win and he loses.
now i have no hope at all
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How can both Kratos (ToS) AND Auron win? There's only one winner, buddy.
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I wish my "Why Luigi Mario will defeat Tifa Lockheart" topic was still up. =/

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I wish my "Why Luigi Mario will defeat Tifa Lockheart" topic was still up. =/

The only problem is that he still doesn't look that good to win after what Tifa did yesterday.
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The only two characters with a number in their name to make it into this contest both had the number "47."

They also both faced Sora round one.
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The only two characters with a number in their name to make it into this contest both had the number "47."

They also both faced Sora round one.

They also got more than 47 votes each.
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The only two characters with a number in their name to make it into this contest both had the number "47."

Zero.

>_>
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Yeah, but it would still be nice to have alive, regardless of the outcome. Myself, I never have considered extrapolated statistics in my selections; it is always straight from my gut, hence my three major upset picks, all located in the second round. Either way, at the very least, we will hopefully have a close match on our hands.

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You do realize that my claim that Luigi would "dominate the day vote" was part of the number crunching to get him to 42.5%, so you were still arguing against a joke. I mean, I do think it's possible he'll get a little out of it, but not 3%. No, I'm not seeing that much, especially not at this high of a %age. (because the day vote tends to favor the person with the lower % by default in largely spread matches if there's no reasoning either way)

Uh, yeah. And the conditional probability is that the good ones are the ones that become true, and the bad ones don't.

However, the probability of theories with flawed logic becoming true is also very present when so many theories exist. I'd love to see the logic as to why Lara would be falling. I have a feeling it was more based on the ever present Tomb Raider hate on this board than anything, regardless of the "reasons". However, I'll drop this because we're not going to get anywhere.
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Though I don't think his other posts were jokes, really. I think he believes them.

Well I tried to make them have some sort of logic, flawed or otherwise, so that you'd only catch it if you were reading the sig. But if you think that my posts were serious, despite my sig saying otherwise, more power to you.

Now everything I said relating to Lara/Vyse, yes I do believe that.
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Luigi is dropping steadily

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Luigi was at this same % a while ago, and he managed to obunce back to 65%.
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I'm goin' to bed, but I do think we're forgetting something here: unless I have my facts mixed up, Xenogears/Xenosaga was never released in Europe. This is Europe-time in the polls. Luigi has a strong night/board-vote and has a rep to drop during the day. By all means, KOS-MOS should make this noticably more respectable through-out the day; I'm pushin' for 43%, though 41% or so may be more likely.

Gone to bed, g-nite ya'll.
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It's about 8am in Europe right now. Not many votes will be coming in.

Not to mention that there aren't many Europeans on GameFAQs anyway.
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9am*

<_<

Just to spite me, 8am will probably be closer.
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I don't know if KOS-MOS will be able to gain a good 5% throughout the rest of the match. During the last 22 hours of the poll against Ryu, she only gained a little more than 1%. Granted, it's easier to increase when your percentage is lower, but I still think it's asking too much of her.
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It's 10-12 in Europe right now... I remember England at least being 8 hours ahead (from PST) when I went to London.
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I dunno. I was sure that Auckland was 12 hours + GMT, which is what most European time is.

O_o
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It's 11.12 in Italy/Germany (central europe) at the moment. So it's 10-12 around Europe. I think that this is the strongest point of the so called "european vote" and Kos-Mos is suffering for this.
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11 hours, then. I forgot about daylight savings ^_^.

But it's a Monday, no? Wouldn't most people be at school/work?
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"But it's a Monday, no? Wouldn't most people be at school/work"

Like that's ever stopped people in the US from voting in the middle of the day.
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