Maybe all non-Square RPGs suddenly suck even more...

Poor Harlie ;_;
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I hate when people bring up "Well if Dante benifeted from DMC2 anybody can!".

Let's face it, Dante's fanbase isen't known for smarts.

Anyone have a problem with this estimation?

Pac-Man is around 18% on BL
Luigi is around 27% on BL
KOS-MOS is around 20% on BL
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Do I really have to point out how totally lacking in logical structure this post is, even in a sarcastic sense...?

It made sense. He was pointing out how silly it is that people think KOS-MOS would drop from a new game, yet Vyse HAS to stay consistent because he has for two years. Never mind the fact that Lara Croft was also consistent for two years then suddenly dropped in 2K4.
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Heh heh heh... KOS-MOS drops with a new game, but obviously Vyse dropping, nah, not a chance. He was consistent for all of two years! No one, surely not Lara Croft, has ever been consistent for two years!

Vyse vs Tifa was a vet vs newbie match. This is a vet vs vet match. It is possible that Vyse dropped, but there is no evidence that he actually did. Since he's stayed fairly constant during the previous appearences, he's given the benefit of the doubt and assumed not to drop.
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Do I really have to point out how totally lacking in logical structure this post is, even in a sarcastic sense...?

Please do. I'm dense.
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Anyone have a problem with this estimation?

Pac-Man is around 18% on BL
Luigi is around 27% on BL
KOS-MOS is around 20% on BL

Yes, that doesn't make Luigi the clear favorite against Tifa. It doesn't even make him the favorite.
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Yes, that doesn't make Luigi the clear favorite against Tifa. It doesn't even make him the favorite.

I'm no miracle worker. :-)
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I'm no miracle worker. :-)

:(
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Yes, that doesn't make Luigi the clear favorite against Tifa. It doesn't even make him the favorite.

Still in dream land?
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Still in dream land?

No, Tidus is going to beat Kirby.
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Still in dream land?

No, Tidus is going to beat Kirby.

XD
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From: Adept_Of_Aiur | Posted: 8/15/2005 3:29:53 AM | Message Detail | #354
It made sense. He was pointing out how silly it is that people think KOS-MOS would drop from a new game, yet Vyse HAS to stay consistent because he has for two years. Never mind the fact that Lara Croft was also consistent for two years then suddenly dropped in 2K4.

It made no sense at all, as it was comparing two totally unrelated things, just to support his "point".

Many speculated Luigi was underestimated and that KOS-MOS may have dropped.

Find me one person who stated beforehand that Vyse dropped.

Really, if you find this to be "logic", you are quite blinded by some sort of bias that I can't figure out.
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you are quite blinded by some sort of bias that I can't figure out.

We have a winner.
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Hmmm... if nothing else, this match makes Albedo's bombing in the spring seem much more believable.
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Many speculated Luigi was underestimated and that KOS-MOS may have dropped.

Find me one person who stated beforehand that Vyse dropped.

I wouldn't put much (read: any) stock into our speculations at this point. Other than that crazy Smurf, name me one person who thought Knuckles would beat Magus.
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Really, if you find this to be "logic", you are quite blinded by some sort of bias that I can't figure out.

Wait, you said logical structure, implying that the sentence was incoherent. I was pointing out that I understood the sentence, indicating it does indeed have a logical structure. I didn't say anything about agreeing or disagreeing with him.
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And also right now Tifa's stock probably isn't as high as a static Vyse calculation would indicate.

i.e., in the Oracle challenge (or if brackets were still open), people would not fully support the position that a straight-up Tifa/Vyse calculation has Tifa at. I think she'd still be an underdog against Crono, for one thing.

Though she would be favored over Sonic.
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I disagree with KOS-MOS dropping. This is all Luigi, baby.
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This is the most logical explanation.

KOS-MOS 2k4: 24.24 on 2k3 Link. Xenosaga Episode 2 gives her a Devil May Cry 2 esque boost (the parallels are undeniable!), for roughly 3%.
KOS-MOS 2k5: 27.24 on 2k3 Link.
Assume KOS-MOS goes down from the "Infamous Nintendo Day Vote". Luigi finishes with 68%.

Luigi = 42.56% on 2k3 Link. Now we're cookin.

Oh, and by the way...

Find me one person who stated beforehand that Vyse dropped.

Find me one person who stated beforehand that Lara Croft dropped? She also had no reason to until after the match took place. Call the comparison irrelevant all you want, but it seems pretty familiar to me.
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Luigi finishing with 68%? Highly unlikely. He won't benefit that much from the day vote, if he does at all.
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Tifa > Luigi
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...Wasn't Xenosaga Ep. 1 (which sold better than Ep. 2 IIRC) never released in Europe? If so, I think she'd have a good reason to go up during the day. Just not enough ;_;
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Luigi = 42.56% on 2k3 Link. Now we're cookin.

Way stronger than Mario?
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Duh, of course. Luigi would totally beat down Sonic and all the rest of those fools.
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Luigi would totally beat down Sonic and all the rest of those fools.

...Except Tifa >_>
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From: Adept_Of_Aiur | Posted: 8/15/2005 3:37:46 AM | Message Detail | #367
Wait, you said logical structure, implying that the sentence was incoherent. I was pointing out that I understood the sentence, indicating it does indeed have a logical structure. I didn't say anything about agreeing or disagreeing with him.

OK, you got me :)

Though even the logical structure itself was poor, IMO.



From: Lopen | Posted: 8/15/2005 3:41:37 AM | Message Detail | #370
This is the most logical explanation.

How can you call it logical, when no one would actually ACT on it.

Find me one person who stated beforehand that Lara Croft dropped?

Eh...?

The Oracle prediction for Samus was a full 5 points higher than the straight-up 2K3 x-stats implied. Clearly people had little faith in Lara to begin with. And people often referred to Lara as "fading" before the contest.
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Luigi finishing with 68%? Highly unlikely. He won't benefit that much from the day vote, if he does at all.

It's perfectly logical. In fact I think I was undershooting his final %age. After all, Ness gained 3% during the day against Auron. As we know, Auron > KOS-MOS and also Luigi > Ness. Therefore, if anything, Luigi should rise more. I'm guessing 71% myself.
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Who would you guys take in a Luigi Vs Knuckles match?
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Luigi over Tifa would make my contest. Luigi over Sonic would make my year.

Hey, I can dream...Even I thought Luigi would be held under 60%.
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I'm thinking Luigi. Good upset, and considering these numbers, not all that unreasonable.
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Luigi sure as hell won't beat Magus, so.....
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Who would you guys take in a Luigi Vs Knuckles match?

Magus.
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It's perfectly logical. In fact I think I was undershooting his final %age. After all, Ness gained 3% during the day against Auron. As we know, Auron > KOS-MOS and also Luigi > Ness. Therefore, if anything, Luigi should rise more. I'm guessing 71% myself.

Character strength has little to do with potency with particular times of day. Luigi lost a large chunk of the vote in the day against Ratchet of all characters.
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Character strength has little to do with potency with particular times of day. Luigi lost a large chunk of the vote in the day against Ratchet of all characters.

You say that like Ratchet is a cult character... It would make sense for most of his strength to come in the day.
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And people often referred to Lara as "fading" before the contest.

Well, in any case, I don't consider the speculations of random people to have much merit. There's no logical reason she'd be "fading" any more in 2k4 than she was in 2k3 or 2k2. And she actually rose a bit from 2k2-2k3.

Just because speculations exist doesn't mean they have any merit.
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Luigi sure as hell won't beat Magus, so.....

Magus sure as hell wasn't supposed to lose against Knuckles, either. Look where that got us.
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You say that like Ratchet is a cult character... It would make sense for most of his strength to come in the day.

It didn't stop Ness from gaining against Jak.
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Ratchet is popular with kids.

Ness has SSBM and Nintendo and all that jazz.
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It didn't stop Ness from gaining against Jak.

I forgot that Ratchet and Jak were the same characters from the same series.
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Ness has SSBM and Nintendo and all that jazz.

...Luigi doesn't?
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Luigi lost a large chunk of the vote in the day against Ratchet of all characters.

Speaking of Ratchet, he won the day vote against Dante, of all characters.
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This is like a role reversal from last night...
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Ness has SSBM and Nintendo and all that jazz.

lol?
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Ness has SSBM and Nintendo and all that jazz.

And what the hell does Luigi have? All that, and even more.
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Speaking of Ratchet, he won the day vote against Dante, of all characters.

RPGuy'D!!!
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Point taken >_>
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I forgot that Ratchet and Jak were the same characters from the same series.

But didn't you just say it'd make sense for Ratchet's best time to be during the day? Why wouldn't it be the same for Jak? They're from the same genre, released on the same platform, and are constantly compared to one another.
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