Ganon would be projected to get 56-57%

Use Vivi's unadjusted file, Zelda is weaker than Ganon. Pfft, and you said I was a slave to the stats?
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"I dont know what I am talking about? I know more about gaming than 90 percent of the users on the internet." -xmagxus

Tifa also hasn't moved from 77.79% in the almost a half hour, so yeah, matching Vinny will be tough.
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"Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone's got one and nobody thinks their's stink." -Lunar 2:EB
*Claims KG's Eclair & Millia Rage*

And hey, if you really think Zelda > Ganondorf, you have to believe Zelda will beat Solid Snake.
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"I dont know what I am talking about? I know more about gaming than 90 percent of the users on the internet." -xmagxus

"And hey, if you really think Zelda > Ganondorf, you have to believe Zelda will beat Solid Snake."

Slave. Look at Magus vs. Knux and tell me there isn't a chance that Ganon was just overrated.
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Now Link, fill up your hearts
So you can shoot your sword with power

On the one hand, Magus/Knux makes me feel very good about Snake over Zelda. On the other...Ganondorf/Sephiroth makes me lose almost all hope. ;_;
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I'm about to get sigged by Karma Hunter, and all I'll get is this lousy T-shirt.--Clockwork Dragon

His spring contest performance seems to change my mind about him being overrated, which he is, but I doubt he's that low.
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"I dont know what I am talking about? I know more about gaming than 90 percent of the users on the internet." -xmagxus

Thanks to Magus' craptastic performance against Knuckles, I now fear for Ganondorf's chances against Auron.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 24/27 points
Current Match Prediction: Luigi vs. KOS-MOS

I don't think he's that low either. Link went up last year, Zelda beat Vivi by a lot more than she should have, and he had his Spring performance. He'd almost certainly beat Magus in a rematch. However, even with his spring performance I do not believe he is as strong as his 2k3 stat says and I think his performance against Sephiroth was a fluke of gargantuan proporions.
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Now Link, fill up your hearts
So you can shoot your sword with power

From: Karma Hunter
On the one hand, Magus/Knux makes me feel very good about Snake over Zelda. On the other...Ganondorf/Sephiroth makes me lose almost all hope. ;_;

What does Magus/Knux have to do with Snake/Zelda besides Snake repeatedly beating Knuckles...
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Tripling Gordon Freeman.

What does Magus/Knux have to do with Snake/Zelda besides Snake repeatedly beating Knuckles...

Snake beats Knuckles. Knuckles beats Magus. Magus beats Ganondorf. I'd wager that Ganondorf > Zelda.

Now, I don't believe Ganondorf is that low...mostly because of Ganondorf/Sephiroth. ;_;
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I'm about to get sigged by Karma Hunter, and all I'll get is this lousy T-shirt.--Clockwork Dragon

Ness's match against CJ makes Auron even stronger too, Auron pretty much has the strength in his favor, but not the brackets.
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"I dont know what I am talking about? I know more about gaming than 90 percent of the users on the internet." -xmagxus

So you wager Gannondorf > Zelda, when there is nothing indicating such a thing... Also the Gannondorf now is >>>> then the Gannondorf then.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Tripling Gordon Freeman.

So you wager Gannondorf > Zelda, when there is nothing indicating such a thing...

Except him finishing ahead of her in 2003?

Also the Gannondorf now is >>>> then the Gannondorf then.

You must be blind. After all, seeing as how I just said that, you would have to be to miss it.
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I'm about to get sigged by Karma Hunter, and all I'll get is this lousy T-shirt.--Clockwork Dragon

Except him finishing ahead of her in 2003?

You know, if Magus's value based off of Knuckles is correct, Zelda was stronger than Ganondorf in 2003.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

You know, if Magus's value based off of Knuckles is correct, Zelda was stronger than Ganondorf in 2003.

Unless Magus dropped. Which is a very real possibility and explanation for snagging 35% on BL.
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I'm about to get sigged by Karma Hunter, and all I'll get is this lousy T-shirt.--Clockwork Dragon

And I think those of us who have Alucard > Sora next round should be a little wary. Alucard's value was derived on the assumption that Ganondorf's value was equal to what 2003 said it was. Turns out it might not be correct. We might just have to get lucky and hope Ganondorf somehow got up there.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

Let's dismiss everything that happened in 2003 and the Villains Contest and use Zelda's performance against Vivi as the single necessary piece of evidence of her being stronger than Ganondorf. Sounds like a plan.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

And I think those of us who have Alucard > Sora next round should be a little wary.

Sadly, I've all but given up on that match. It's very difficult to picture Alucard defeating Sora now.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

"And I think those of us who have Alucard > Sora next round should be a little wary. Alucard's value was derived on the assumption that Ganondorf's value was equal to what 2003 said it was. Turns out it might not be correct. We might just have to get lucky and hope Ganondorf somehow got up there."

And people were telling me I wasn't giving Alucard enough credit. HA!
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Now Link, fill up your hearts
So you can shoot your sword with power

Unless Magus dropped. Which is a very real possibility and explanation for snagging 35% on BL.

Yeah, but the idea of him really being at that value seems more realistic, considering Sam Fisher and considering what Frog did last year. He should have never been that strong in the first place, really. Everyone always questioned it and thought he overperformed on Magus somehow, even in 2003.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

Thats what I'm sayin <_<
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"Masa, everytime I talk to you, my urge for hot pockets rises. Damn you" - Linky.

If Magus overperforms roughly the same on both Ganondorf and BL, then it doesn't matter what his 'actual' value is. Ganondorf's value is unchanged.
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I'm about to get sigged by Karma Hunter, and all I'll get is this lousy T-shirt.--Clockwork Dragon

Heh heh heh....go Sora! Sora/Zelda would be the greatest contest match of all time, if only because Sora and Zelda are the greatest characters of all time.
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I know what I'm getting into, I don't care if I die trying!-Peppita Rossetti

If Magus overperforms roughly the same on both Ganondorf and BL, then it doesn't matter what his 'actual' value is. Ganondorf's value is unchanged.

It's possible, but I'd bet against it if I had to.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

I still think Alucard has a chance.
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"I dont know what I am talking about? I know more about gaming than 90 percent of the users on the internet." -xmagxus

After Magus' performance, I'm feeling a bit better about my Sora > Alucard pick. It could still go either way though.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 24/27 points
Current Match Prediction: Luigi vs. KOS-MOS

I was nervous as hell about Sora > Alucard, but once the Contest started, I got really confident in it.

But now it's the picks that I thought were obvious that are now worrying me...
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Tifa vs. Vyse - Bracket: Tifa - Vote: Tifa (23/26)

In order for Sora and Alucard to be statistical equals (from what we've seen in this contest), Kratos has to be able to beat Agent 47 with about 67% of the votes. As little as we know about either, I just don't see one bald badass from a casual game doing that to another bald badass from a casual game(s).
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

It appears that bald characters are cursed in this contest.
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Knuckles the Echidna's road to the Sc2k5 Title!
Round 2: (2)Squall Leonhart

From: yoblazer33 | Posted: 8/14/2005 6:23:21 PM | Message Detail | #117
Let's dismiss everything that happened in 2003 and the Villains Contest and use Zelda's performance against Vivi as the single necessary piece of evidence of her being stronger than Ganondorf. Sounds like a plan.
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Winner.

Harsh for Chiri calling Dranze a slave ^_^.
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Summer 2005 Contest Score : 25/26
Rank : 20/33793 Today: Tifa Tomorrow : Luigi

So yes, I gave you perfectly valid reasons for disliking the game. You just chose to disagree and then decided it was me who had no evidence to back myself up. You have just reguritated the same damn excuse for the game for over a week now. I don't care how the battle system compares to Xenosaga or Dragon Warrior. What I do care about is how good EarthBound's battle system is by itself and it's garbage. I never criticized the entire storyline nor have I spoken ill of its characters. I have played enough of EarthBound to know that it's bad. No amount of storyline greatness will ever be able to remove it from that category.

Ridiculous. I don't care how unimpressed you were with the battle system, in no way did it make the game less fun.

By the way, you're about as qualified to rate EarthBound as someone who rates Tales Of Symphonia when the farhtest they've made it is Palmacosta.

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
World Champion: Gyruss, Link's Awakening, Mega Man X, Solstice, Super Mario World, Zombies Ate My Neighbors

Except ToS is at best a GOOD game. Not great, not excellent, not perfect. A 8/10 RPG for the GCN =/. Gamerankings agrees.
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Summer 2005 Contest Score : 25/26
Rank : 20/33793 Today: Tifa Tomorrow : Luigi

Ridiculous. I don't care how unimpressed you were with the battle system, in no way did it make the game less fun.

That's right! Because the game was already NO FUN at all! BA DUM CHING!!!
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Ridiculous. I don't care how unimpressed you were with the battle system, in no way did it make the game less fun.

For you. I didn't personally mind the battle system, but that's one of the most subjective things in the world, and arguing over Earthbound's battle system is impossible, as it's just a matter of opinion.
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"All pretty girls are a trap, a pretty trap, and men expect them to be."
MasterMage119

GameRankings also thought at one point that the Game Boy Color version of Metal Gear Solid was the greatest game ever made. So much for GameRankings.

Tales Of Symphonia is an excellent game. I think I've spent about 150 hours on it. But I hated it the first time I played it. I gave it another chance and actually made an attempt to like it and now it ranks as one of my favorite RPGs. I still think EarthBound is better, though.

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
World Champion: Gyruss, Link's Awakening, Mega Man X, Solstice, Super Mario World, Zombies Ate My Neighbors

Hey--don't diss Ghost Babel. Ever. = /
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I'm about to get sigged by Karma Hunter, and all I'll get is this lousy T-shirt.--Clockwork Dragon

GameRankings also thought at one point that the Game Boy Color version of Metal Gear Solid was the greatest game ever made. So much for GameRankings.

Objectively, it could very well be.
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"All pretty girls are a trap, a pretty trap, and men expect them to be."
MasterMage119

And in case it wasn't clear, that was a joke.
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"All pretty girls are a trap, a pretty trap, and men expect them to be."
MasterMage119

For you. I didn't personally mind the battle system, but that's one of the most subjective things in the world, and arguing over Earthbound's battle system is impossible, as it's just a matter of opinion.

Arguing about video games at all is subjective, but we can still argue about them. I argue with Heroic Mario about EarthBound because his reasons for not liking the game are silly. I'm not really asking him to like the game or to give it another try, but to stop calling the game mediocre like he has a clue what he's talking about, because he doesn't. I'm sure he wouldn't appreciate it it I was insistent on bashing Final Fantasy VII as a complete game, when I had just made it out of Midgar.

From: Karma Hunter

The same Karma Hunter that did the MGS:TTS Big Boss speedrun?

Hey--don't diss Ghost Babel. Ever. = /

Not that it's a bad game. But best ever? =\

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
World Champion: Gyruss, Link's Awakening, Mega Man X, Solstice, Super Mario World, Zombies Ate My Neighbors

There's a big difference between that, though. HM got through a heck of a lot more of Earthbound than you got through FF7 if you haven't left Midgar. I'm not saying he's right, but he does have a lot better view of the big picture of EB than you have of FF7.
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Now Link, fill up your hearts
So you can shoot your sword with power

The same Karma Hunter that did the MGS:TTS Big Boss speedrun?

That's what some people called me.

Not that it's a bad game. But best ever? =\

Of course not. That honor is reserved for Metal Gear Solid for PSX. <_<
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I'm about to get sigged by Karma Hunter, and all I'll get is this lousy T-shirt.--Clockwork Dragon

Arguing about video games at all is subjective, but we can still argue about them. I argue with Heroic Mario about EarthBound because his reasons for not liking the game are silly. I'm not really asking him to like the game or to give it another try, but to stop calling the game mediocre like he has a clue what he's talking about, because he doesn't. I'm sure he wouldn't appreciate it it I was insistent on bashing Final Fantasy VII as a complete game, when I had just made it out of Midgar.

Well, I don't think HM literally meant it was a mediocre game, generally one would think he is referring to what he thought of it. If he just means in general, then I completely agree with you.
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"All pretty girls are a trap, a pretty trap, and men expect them to be."
MasterMage119

*Looks at poll* Does this mean Vyse could beat Kerrigan?
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WWEGSB Hardcore Legend Masa
"Masa, everytime I talk to you, my urge for hot pockets rises. Damn you" - Linky.

There's a big difference between that, though. HM got through a heck of a lot more of Earthbound than you got through FF7 if you haven't left Midgar. I'm not saying he's right, but he does have a lot better view of the big picture of EB than you have of FF7.

It's still a miniscule one.

That's what some people called me.

Cool. Nice run.

Of course not. That honor is reserved for Metal Gear Solid for PSX. <_<

I won't argue that. It's an excellent game.

*Looks at poll* Does this mean Vyse could beat Kerrigan?

It means Tifa could beat a great deal of people.

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
World Champion: Gyruss, Link's Awakening, Mega Man X, Solstice, Super Mario World, Zombies Ate My Neighbors

Yes

Hell, Freeman could probably take Kerrigan.
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Kratos vs. Diablo - Bracket: Diablo - Vote: Kratos (22/25)

After as well as Tifa is doing today (which, by the way, it looks like she's goin' back up again), I'm cautious to say Kerrigan is as weak as we talked about afew days ago. Weak, no doubt, but I'm not so sure about where Kerrigan should be.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

If Vyse = Kerrigan, Vincent wins the contest.

And Tifa's starting to go up now. Perhaps she might finish with over 78% when it's all said and done.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

You're saying being strong enough to get 79% on Vyse would win the contest? Where does that put Tifa?

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
World Champion: Gyruss, Link's Awakening, Mega Man X, Solstice, Super Mario World, Zombies Ate My Neighbors

You're saying being strong enough to get 79% on Vyse would win the contest? Where does that put Tifa?

Right now...On the level with Samus, a little higher.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

Ridiculous. I don't care how unimpressed you were with the battle system, in no way did it make the game less fun.

If the battle system, a major part of any RPG's gameplay, is unimpressive, boring, dull, etc. how does that possibly have no effect on the game's enjoyment level? You spend quite a bit of time inside of the battles, so to say that a bad battle system isn't hindering the enjoyment of the game is just absurd. I know for a fact it does not get better as far as that is concerned. The storyline may get infinitely better, the characters may do the same, the music as well, but there's no reason to suspect the battle system of getting any better. Throughout my time with the game it remained as dull and boring as ever. There simply wasn't anything worth noting about it. I don't care for innovation or any such thing if it cannot be good along with it. I'm not calling it the worst battle system out there, but there is hardly any reason to praise it.

By the way, you're about as qualified to rate EarthBound as someone who rates Tales Of Symphonia when the farhtest they've made it is Palmacosta.

I was never trying to force my opinion on anyone. From what I have played, and I have tried to keep an open-mind about this game for Lord knows how long, but it simply did not do it for me. I never try to sound like I know all about the game or that I have even completed it. I will be the first person to step up and say that I could not finish EarthBound after getting a little past Fourside.

For all it's worth, I have never criticized anything past what I know of the game from experience.

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Cloud Strife: What’s going to happen to the Planet?
Sephiroth: That… will be for you to decide.