If Vyse stays relatively the same, I say we keep the VFL. If not, we establish a percentage-based fooder line.

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Magus screwed my bracket over. Yay!

Technically, 19-20% on BL is the fodder line. It just so happens that Vyse falls there more often than not.
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"You can't have gone over a kilometer up. 1500 meters, tops." -Samus Aran
"I'll express my love to you slowly, later." -Setzer Gabbiani

I'd rather stick with Vyse being the fodder-line than his percentage, just for the sake of ease. Considering Vyse is basically the closest to fodder you can be without BEING fodder, I think it'd be reasonable to think he could occasionally dip into fodder-territory just due to yearly variation...but not enough to actually be considered a drop in popularity.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

Once again, Sonic got 76%+ on Jin. You're telling me that Cloud would not quadruple the guy with ease? Cloud would be expected to get 83.33% on Jin based on that, which I don't see as a problem at all based on Sonic, which would make Vyse/Jin a 55/45 affair.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

It's kinda funny when you think about it now. We dropped two FFVII characters in an attempt to contain its dominance.

And two FFVII characters are dominating anyway.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

And we remove Link, and now Zelda's threatening Snake.
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"You can't have gone over a kilometer up. 1500 meters, tops." -Samus Aran
"I'll express my love to you slowly, later." -Setzer Gabbiani

It's kinda funny when you think about it now. We dropped two FFVII characters in an attempt to contain its dominance.

And two FFVII characters are dominating anyway.

Quite funny indeed.
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even when a pawn becomes a queen, it's still just a playing piece -President Johnson, MGS2. SC2k5: 24/26. Today: Tifa, tomorrow: Luigi

Speaking of which, if Zelda beats Snake and Tifa beats Sonic, they'll become the first two non-Noble Niners to beat a Noble Niner (though from the looks of it, Tifa should've been there all along).

After getting unfairly shunned in 2004, this looks to be the ladies' contest.
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"You can't have gone over a kilometer up. 1500 meters, tops." -Samus Aran
"I'll express my love to you slowly, later." -Setzer Gabbiani

At the 13:05 mark, this match has 58,175 votes.

Ness/CJ - 62,113
Kerrigan/Vincent - 63,091
Sonic/Jin - 57,677

Vincent's individual vote total - 49,759
Sonic's individual vote total - 44,185
Tifa's individual vote total - 45,175
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

Makes sense though.
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Now Link, fill up your hearts
So you can shoot your sword with power

And if that's the case, it would lend credibility to the argument that Bowser and Ganondorf overperformed against Sephiroth in the villains contest because they were the only Mario & Zelda representatives in the field.
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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO...Pac-Man?

I almost want to suggest Luigi vs. a random piece of furniture from FF7 as a PotD idea using that form someone (TRE, probably) linked to the other day. Of course, I won't seriously do it, but it'd be awesome as a joke poll.

Of course, if the furniture wins, there's no guarantee on what's going to happen next.
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"You can't have gone over a kilometer up. 1500 meters, tops." -Samus Aran
"I'll express my love to you slowly, later." -Setzer Gabbiani

So Tifa's gettin' more votes against a stronger character in a match with lower vote-totals than Sonic?

Guys, welcome to the woman who'll finish off two Noble Niner's...maybe three.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

Not really... we haven't seen Tifa or Vincent in a contest before, and Zelda was projected to be able to give Snake a run as soon as the bracket was revealed.

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That was in response to BTM. >_>

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From: BeTheMan | Posted: 8/14/2005 4:13:10 PM | #411
And if that's the case, it would lend credibility to the argument that Bowser and Ganondorf overperformed against Sephiroth in the villains contest because they were the only Mario & Zelda representatives in the field.

I think it has to do with franchise voting, BUT exceptionally because it was a villain contest. Mario wasn't any more stellar in 2002 despite being the only Mario character in the field, and it was Crono's worst year - and he was in the same situation.
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"You can't have gone over a kilometer up. 1500 meters, tops." -Samus Aran
"I'll express my love to you slowly, later." -Setzer Gabbiani

Well, 2002 was just weird.
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I can't think of anything to put here, but I can't just leave it blank, can I?

I think it has to do with franchise voting, BUT exceptionally because it was a villain contest. Mario wasn't any more stellar in 2002 despite being the only Mario character in the field, and it was Crono's worst year - and he was in the same situation.

I don't know if it would apply the same way to Mario and Crono, since they should already be receiving the maximum support of their franchise fanbases.

Not really... we haven't seen Tifa or Vincent in a contest before, and Zelda was projected to be able to give Snake a run as soon as the bracket was revealed.

True. But I'm going to want to revisit the issue when Zelda puts up 55% on Snake. :-)
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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO...Pac-Man?

Three things of note:

Dante backers, make your time

We were silly for assuming that Samus wins an all-females contest wihtout competition

Samus, Tifa and Vincent (Despite uncertainty in regards to Kerrigan's strength) look to be the front runners for this contest. Even I wouldn't have given Vincent that credit in all my fanboyism before the contest started, let alone Tifa who is consistenly shown to be less favored by the fanbase.
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Now Link, fill up your hearts
So you can shoot your sword with power

Question. How many characters from FF7 do you guys think would be above fodder status?
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I can't think of anything to put here, but I can't just leave it blank, can I?

How many characters from FF7 do you guys think would be above fodder status?

Everyone who has an important role. But knowing my own taste and Gamefaqs I wouldn't be surprised if Gordon Freeman won over Zack.
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When this happened, all of us got PWND by Smurf
http://www.freewebs.com/vgcg/Knuckles.jpg

All playables, Sephiroth of course, the Turks, Rufus, Hojo are probably all definites. Secondary characters like Marlene, Jessie, Biggs, Wedge, and possibly Zack are questionable though.
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

From: Sir Bormun | Posted: 8/14/2005 3:38:53 PM | #420
Question. How many characters from FF7 do you guys think would be above fodder status?

Cloud
Sephiroth
Tifa
Vincent
Aeris
Red XIII
Cid
Yuffie
Jenova
Rufus

I think that's all. I doubt if Barret or Cait Sith would be worth anything. Hojo might have a shot at not being fodder.
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That... was her final mission. And like a true soldier, she saw it through the end.
ZSB [aX]

Question. How many characters from FF7 do you guys think would be above fodder status?

Every Shinra boss, the Turks, and everyone in your party.
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DEFENCE, DEFENCE
"Alas, history is nothing but a lie agreed upon" - Napoleon Bonaparte.

I think all the playable characters + Sephiroth, Rufus and Jenova wouldn't be fodder.
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even when a pawn becomes a queen, it's still just a playing piece -President Johnson, MGS2. SC2k5: 24/26. Today: Tifa, tomorrow: Luigi

i think Barret would do pretty well
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Vincent's Path to Victory: Round 1 - (4) Sarah Kerrigan OWNED 79200 - 21058 Round 2 - (1) Dante

I would expect Barret to be at least as strong as Yuffie, personally.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

I don't think Zack would be fodder either due to pic votes.
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even when a pawn becomes a queen, it's still just a playing piece -President Johnson, MGS2. SC2k5: 24/26. Today: Tifa, tomorrow: Luigi

I think that's all. I doubt if Barret or Cait Sith would be worth anything. Hojo might have a shot at not being fodder

You're a fool if you think Barrett would end up being fodder. He may not be a FAVORITE of FFVII fans, but it doesn't mean they wouldn't support him at all...
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Zack looks *way* too much like Cloud to be fodder, IMO. The only potential problem would be in finding a suitable pic for him.
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I'm about to get sigged by Karma Hunter, and all I'll get is this lousy T-shirt.--Clockwork Dragon

Reno and Rude wouldn't be fodder by any means at all either. Elena and Tseng might be though.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

I'm pretty sure even Cait Sith could get 60% on Vyse.

Well, for what it's worth, I still wouldn't put any of the Turks over Vyse. Cait Sith very well could though.....
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

Speaking of which, I'm surprised Hojo or Jenova weren't nominated for the villains contest... Especially seeing how Lavos, Sin, and Mother Brain got in...
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Speaking of which, I'm surprised Hojo or Jenova weren't nominated for the villains contest...

Well, they all probably focused on Sephiroth.

I'm still irritated that Seifer didn't get it. If it's because some of the FFVIII fans were actually nominating Ultimecia...I wouldn't know what to say.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

Well, I say the same thing about Master Seymour.
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That's right. Cloud N. Candy would get a NEGATIVE percentage, and RPGuy's extrapolated calculator would crash. - therealmnm

Well, at least Sin is a focal point and is associated with an FFX character many like (you know who it is if you've played the game. If not, I ain't spoiling it). Ultimecia is...nothing.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

I'm still irritated that Seifer didn't get it. If it's because some of the FFVIII fans were actually nominating Ultimecia...I wouldn't know what to say.

I agree. It would even be cool to get him in the summer contest.

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even when a pawn becomes a queen, it's still just a playing piece -President Johnson, MGS2. SC2k5: 24/26. Today: Tifa, tomorrow: Luigi

I'd put the Turks over Vyse without question. It's not like people don't know who they are. I'd be quite surprised if the FFVII abandoned personal faves like the Turks for Vyse. I'm not calling for a 60%+ blowout, but I don't think it would be close. For some reason, Vyse is being looked at as a pinnacle of popularity. How many people honestly even knew who he WAS before he got in the contest?
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Barret and Cait Sith would be able to beat Vyse, Tediz.

I'm going to say almight Sephiroth Man (Powerful Man, Sephiroth Man) and all the PCs and reserve myself from that point. If an NPC other than Seph were to beat the line, howver, I'd leave it to Rufus, Hojo, or Zack.
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Now Link, fill up your hearts
So you can shoot your sword with power

I'm not saying I don't think people know who they are, not at all; however, I'm skeptical about how big their fans are, both in fanboyism and in numbers. Not that I'd take Vyse in a blowout against them, but I'd take Vyse nonetheless.

To note, I dunno if any of them are in FF:AC, which could make the difference.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

Hmm, yeah, forgot about Jenova. Usually don't consider it a character, just a thing.

Seifer obviously missed it due to not being villain enough.

Seymour should have been in, if not you know who. Sin may be connected to a popular character, but the S man and *FFX Spoilers* would actually get the votes.
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Now Link, fill up your hearts
So you can shoot your sword with power

I'm wondering how strong Palmer would be.

To note, I dunno if any of them are in FF:AC, which could make the difference.

Rude, Reno, and Rufus are.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 8/14/2005 9:35:53 PM | #419
Samus, Tifa and Vincent (Despite uncertainty in regards to Kerrigan's strength) look to be the front runners for this contest.

I'm very glad you qualified that. I'd hate for Vincent to have gone from having beaten up on a new character with unknown strength, to possible division winner, to likely division winner post Magus/Knuckles, to "front runner for the contest", on the basis of nothing but the result of a match where he wouldn't have faced either opponent anyway and Tifa killing fodder.

And yes, Vyse is fodder, regardless of whoever decided to draw an arbitrary line at around about his level.
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Jon Thomson - MARIO, Samus, SOLID SNAKE, Bowser, CRONO, Squall, Sonic, MEGA MAN

Who says it's all Vyse sucking? I see now why people say measuring through fodder is stupid. Tifa = Samus? Dubya tee effe? If Tifa = Samus, Dante = Mario (because I still can't see Terra losing to Vyse by any sort of a significant margin, if at all), magazine it!

Luigi will break 40% on Tifa (though I'm not saying Tifa < Squall here), stats be damned. I don't care how that affects 2k5 Vyse, 2k5 KOS MOS, or 2k3 Raiden, it's just a random claim that I have a feeling will work out. But I'll drop it now until the match in Round 2. </random rant>
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Raiden fact of the contest: Alucard is a plagiarist, this year Raiden will prove it!

Just tell me one good reason why Tifa cannot equal Samus, other than "It doesn't make sense."
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

Tifa will break 60% on Luigi with ease.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 23/26 points
Current Match Prediction: Tifa Lockheart vs. Vyse

(because I still can't see Terra losing to Vyse by any sort of a significant margin, if at all)

Even though, without her sprite, she probably would. Vyse CAN perform respectably on well-known characters, despite how seemingly obscure he is.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

"And yes, Vyse is fodder, regardless of whoever decided to draw an arbitrary line at around about his level."

Right now, assuming Vyse is steady from last year, you could put Samus here and the result would be the same. Frankly, this only says good things for Vincent as he has always been more favored by the FF7 fanbase than Tifa.
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Now Link, fill up your hearts
So you can shoot your sword with power