MGS4 is an entirely different ballgame from TP. Everyone bashed Wind Wakers cel shaded look and said Zelda needed to be realistic. Then Nintendo announced the amazing looking TP at E3 and it became the most wanted game period. Did you even see message boards the day TP was announced? It was insane.

Yes, I did. That the people who were already established fans of Link and the Zelda series abuzz about the newest and best looking Zelda game is not sufficient evidence for me to buy that Link rose that significantly.
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I'm about to get sigged by Karma Hunter, and all I'll get is this lousy T-shirt.--Clockwork Dragon

I also don't understand why an announcement of a new Zelda game, of all things, would bring enough people into the fold to vote against established characters, while FF7 spinoffs are supposed to drive people away. Maybe that's just me, but I don't see the logic behind it.
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I'm about to get sigged by Karma Hunter, and all I'll get is this lousy T-shirt.--Clockwork Dragon

Yes, I did. That the people who were already established fans of Link and the Zelda series abuzz about the newest and best looking Zelda game is not sufficient evidence for me to buy that Link rose that significantly.

Link increasing can be called from Twilight Princess hype, along with The Legend of Zelda Collection on the GameCube. Many seem to pass that off as nothing, but it was packaged with the GameCube for a period of time where the system sold 1 - 2 million units. That means, regardless of whether or not they were a Zelda fan, they got got a free Zelda game of all of Link's past adventures. Then you have Soul Calibur II, featuring Link, that came out just as the contest was wrapping up, which could have had its effect come later that year.

There are many things that can contribute to Link's increase outside of that "hype." I'm sure it contributed as well, along with that good picture perhaps. But Twilight Princess hype was FAR from the sole factor.

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Cloud Strife: What’s going to happen to the Planet?
Sephiroth: That… will be for you to decide.

It combines the overblown passion of FF7 and the in-your-face aggressivity of Earthbound.

Except that EarthBound is a game worth having fanboys.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

I also don't understand why an announcement of a new Zelda game, of all things, would bring enough people into the fold to vote against established characters, while FF7 spinoffs are supposed to drive people away. Maybe that's just me, but I don't see the logic behind it.

I did not say it was going to drive people away, geez. I clearly said it had the potential to make people upset with how many titles are being announced about Final Fantasy VII. Many of them aren't console games nor are they even that big in the grand scheme of things. I have not the slightest clue how you can even begin to compare spin-offs with almost no information about them to Twilight Princess. How on earth you see logic in that is beyond my comprehension.

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Cloud Strife: What’s going to happen to the Planet?
Sephiroth: That… will be for you to decide.

Except that EarthBound is a game worth having fanboys.

EarthBound is a game worthy of the garbage can. Heh.

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Cloud Strife: What’s going to happen to the Planet?
Sephiroth: That… will be for you to decide.

It wasn't the ANNOUNCEMENT of Twilight Princess that I think caused people to go bananas over Link in 2k4... It was his return to his kickass Adult Form that everyone grew to love in Ocarina of Time. Mr. Miyamoto even acknowledged that a reason he ditched the Wind Waker 2 plan and went with the Twilight Princess is due to the mass amount of complaints that he got about the looks and sailing of the Wind Waker.

Even though the Wind Waker had excellent graphics, you still undoubtedly had a multitude of fanboys complaining about it. You see it right here on GameFAQS. People love Adult Link, and they love Epona.

And about characters "returning to 2k3" forms, I think that is completely ridiculous! Most characters don't simply rise and drop in popularity for no reason across the years. The fluctuations are based on who they face each year. Of course, there are some legitimate popularity drops, such as Snake (performed worse against Knuckles AND Mega Man), but for the most part, I believe who a character faces have far more implications on the results. If you believe that Sonic dropped in popularity for a year and then rose up again the next year, you are by yourself...
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I don't think it's a coincidence that the one time Link lost this contest, he was saddled with his Wind Waker picture. I bet alot of people voted against him versus Cloud simply because they hated the cel shading. Now what could get those lost fans back to his side? Twilight Princess of course.

Hmmm...she sure is dropping steadily...guess her night gains were just ridiculously high compared to Vyse, and now that the vote gaining has stabalized the %s are trying to even out.


Also, I have to agree that comparing the FF7 spin-offs to TP's hype is ridiculous. Hell, I currently don't have a GC and I'm getting one BECAUSE of TP! Sure I'll get other games too, but TP will be the first. The things I can see FF7 hype being attributed to are AC and perhaps the E3 trailer.
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"Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone's got one and nobody thinks their's stink." -Lunar 2:EB
*Claims KG's Eclair & Millia Rage*

Twilight Princess has been announced, *not* released. Its announcement will mean little to nothing to the majority of people that vote in these contests, no matter how much information is released about it. Meanwhile, you have Cloud potentially benefitting from Advent Children, a multitude of FF7 spinoffs, a PS3 tech demo, and buzz around a remake of FF7--true or false. You're right. I don't see how you can compare the two. Which is good, since I think both have little to no effect on these contests at all.
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I'm about to get sigged by Karma Hunter, and all I'll get is this lousy T-shirt.--Clockwork Dragon

EarthBound is a game worthy of the garbage can. Heh.

Says the man who thinks FFVIII is one of the greatest games ever.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 23/26 points
Current Match Prediction: Tifa Lockheart vs. Vyse

If you believe that Sonic dropped in popularity for a year and then rose up again the next year, you are by yourself...

I'm just looking at the extrapolated statistics, myself...
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I'm about to get sigged by Karma Hunter, and all I'll get is this lousy T-shirt.--Clockwork Dragon

Hey, I'm banking on AC being out making Cloud > Link possible myself, as that's my bracket. But Link is one character who's proved you can never take likely...EVER!
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"Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone's got one and nobody thinks their's stink." -Lunar 2:EB
*Claims KG's Eclair & Millia Rage*

And since when did we decide to start blaming things on the picture factor again? Last time I was here, people were telling me pictures did next to nothing in determining a character's strength.
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I'm about to get sigged by Karma Hunter, and all I'll get is this lousy T-shirt.--Clockwork Dragon

And I believe I've stated it before, but I *do* have Link winning the whole thing in my bracket. I'm just saying if Vincent/Tifa wins the main bracket, the whole thing will be far too much in FF7's favor for me to *not* put Cloud as the favorite against Link.
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I'm about to get sigged by Karma Hunter, and all I'll get is this lousy T-shirt.--Clockwork Dragon

Meanwhile, you have Cloud potentially benefitting from Advent Children, a multitude of FF7 spinoffs, a PS3 tech demo, and buzz around a remake of FF7--true or false. You're right.

Those spin-offs have very little to do with Cloud. He may be featured in a few of them, but he's hardly the center point. Advent Children is his only main role at this point in any of them. But hey, if you want to believe Final Fantasy VII snowboarding is going to propel Cloud and Sephiroth upward go ahead.

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Cloud Strife: What’s going to happen to the Planet?
Sephiroth: That… will be for you to decide.

Cloud is virtually synonymous with FF7. Even something where he plays a minor role would benefit him.
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I'm about to get sigged by Karma Hunter, and all I'll get is this lousy T-shirt.--Clockwork Dragon

I say, if we want to see if AC has had a strong effect or no, give Tifa and Vincent AC artwork in one round. If they do just as good, or even better, than we might be able to say AC had an effect.

Then again, the series does have a lot of lose ends, so its not necessarily concretely gonna happen...
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"Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone's got one and nobody thinks their's stink." -Lunar 2:EB
*Claims KG's Eclair & Millia Rage*

But hey, if you want to believe Final Fantasy VII snowboarding is going to propel Cloud and Sephiroth upward go ahead.

That reminds me: I got a new phone the other day (Samsung SCH-n330) and actually tried to get that game...but it's not available for a phone like mine. Damn them.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

Final Fantasy 8 is a game worthy of the garbage can. Heh.

Well yes, but that doesn't explain why you don't "get" EarthBound. The battle system isn't half as bad as some people say it is, especially when you compare it to the Xenosaga titles, the Final Fantasy Legend titles, Final Fantasy 1/2j, or a good deal of the Dragon Warrior games. The only difference between EarthBound and most other DW-like battle systems are that you can't see your party members on the screen. Wow, big deal there.

Thje only flaws of the game are it being a little dry at some parts (ie, the towns are too goddamned big) and the horrible inventory system. Music is a stupid thing to argue over. And you literally almost have to beat the game before judging it, because regardless of how much you dislike the game for what you feel is a lack of humor or whatever, it becomes an excellent traditional RPG for the latter 20% of the game that should appease all of you damn purists who think that every RPG should be exactly the same.

And Crono could take a lesson or two from Ness on how to actually be a good character while not speaking all that much.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

He may be featured in a few of them, but he's hardly the center point. Advent Children is his only main role at this point in any of them.

Isn't it generally agreed that KH helped Cloud, Sephiroth, Aeris, and Squall, even though none of them were actually significant in the plot?
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Never forget. Never forgive.

Cloud is virtually synonymous with FF7. Even something where he plays a minor role would benefit him.

The role he plays in these games is a huge part of whether or not he's going to get a boost. Dirge of Cerberus is not going to boost Cloud when it's all about Vincent. There's simply no way one could seriously believe something so ridiculous.

And I still do not understand how you can compare very low profile Final Fantasy VII spin-offs to Twilight Princess. That doesn't even begin to make sense, ignoring the fact that Twilight Princess wasn't the sole reason for Link's increase.

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Cloud Strife: What’s going to happen to the Planet?
Sephiroth: That… will be for you to decide.

Well,

*SAFETY KH SPOILERS*







Squall and Aeris are relatively significant to the plot (though Squall isn't even referred to by his own name!), but Cloud plays a minor role in all of one world, and Sephiroth is merely a freaking optional boss fight.
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I'm about to get sigged by Karma Hunter, and all I'll get is this lousy T-shirt.--Clockwork Dragon

and Sephiroth is merely a freaking optional boss fight.


One that kicks a load of ass, mind ya...>_>
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"Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone's got one and nobody thinks their's stink." -Lunar 2:EB
*Claims KG's Eclair & Millia Rage*

The role he plays in these games is a huge part of whether or not he's going to get a boost. Dirge of Cerberus is not going to boost Cloud when it's all about Vincent. There's simply no way one could seriously believe something so ridiculous.

Assuming of course, that it is, ALL about Vincent.

And I still do not understand how you can compare very low profile Final Fantasy VII spin-offs to Twilight Princess. That doesn't even begin to make sense, ignoring the fact that Twilight Princess wasn't the sole reason for Link's increase.

And likewise I don't see how you can characterize the spin-offs as 'low profile', much less try to place TP so far above them. And I can't believe I'm even enterataining the thoughts, seeing as how it's basically ALL hype. -_-
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I'm about to get sigged by Karma Hunter, and all I'll get is this lousy T-shirt.--Clockwork Dragon

Isn't it generally agreed that KH helped Cloud, Sephiroth, Aeris, and Squall, even though none of them were actually significant in the plot?

Depending on who you are talking to, you'll get different responses. Some believe it was those roles alone that made up the boost, others believe KH did very little, and then another group believes that KH helped in showing these characters to a new auidence and making them go out and figure out more about them -- finding their game and playing it.

But Cloud's role in Kingdom Hearts was actually bigger than it is in any of these spin-off titles at this point. Hell, at this point, he isn't even mentioned in any of these games. I find it absurd to believe he would increase from not even being within the games in question.

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Cloud Strife: What’s going to happen to the Planet?
Sephiroth: That… will be for you to decide.

Looks like Tifa is slowly increasing now.
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I know what I'm getting into, I don't care if I die trying!-Peppita Rossetti

Again, I point to Cloud being virtually synonymous with FF7. And to expound upon that, if you're in the group that thinks that KH helped to make people go out and play FF7, wouldn't a person seeing all the hype for such spinoffs be enticed to go and play FF7 to see what all the fuss is about? Hell, there are people in this very topic doing the exact thing.
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I'm about to get sigged by Karma Hunter, and all I'll get is this lousy T-shirt.--Clockwork Dragon

I bought FF7 after I saw the first AC trailer, because I wanted to understand the story behind it when it came out. I can see people doing the same for other spin-offs.
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"When I was young people in my village would ring a bell every time I was angry to tell everyone to go into their homes until I calmed down." - Igor

Assuming of course, that it is, ALL about Vincent.

It is all about Vincent. Nomura even stated that Advent Children was the end of Cloud's story. Dirge of Cerberus is the sequel to Advent Children. It may feature other FFVII characters, but Cloud being a prominent feature is pretty much not even possible at this point. Hell, I think Cloud won't even be around for any sequels after Advent Children -- I believe Clodu will be dying at the end of AC.

Now, this doesn't mean he cannot appear in other Final Fantasy VII titles, so don't jump at me for saying that. But all you're doing here is assuming. Dirge of Cerberus and Advent Children are the only things worth considering at this point in terms of helping them boost. If you think there's other titles that could help then I have nothing more to say to you. Those titles have a little more than a title.

And likewise I don't see how you can characterize the spin-offs as 'low profile',< much less try to place TP so far above them.

How many people are aware of those spin-offs? How many people are hyped about those spin-offs? How many people are aware of Twilight Princess? How many people are hyped about Twilight Princess?

If you can even think about comparing the two you're living in some sort of delusional world.

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Cloud Strife: What’s going to happen to the Planet?
Sephiroth: That… will be for you to decide.

The thing is, when you see "FFVII: Whatever", you automatically think "Cloud", and too a lesser extent, "Sephiroth". While, of course, this wont have an as huge effect as TP, this could be a decisive factor.

Also, people say AC hype will only appeal FFVII fans, surely at the early stage of development of least year, the TP ("New Zelda", as it was) hype would only have really appealed to current Zelda fans, as surely none Zelda fans wouldn't really care, baring maybe one or two. I'd say we'd have to wait for TP to be (or nearly be) released before it become a big factor.
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And to expound upon that, if you're in the group that thinks that KH helped to make people go out and play FF7, wouldn't a person seeing all the hype for such spinoffs be enticed to go and play FF7 to see what all the fuss is about?

Have you not been listening? Those spin-offs have almost nothing about them. You're telling me that people are suppose to be hugely anticipating Crisis Core on the PSP over something like Twilight Princess? I wouldn't even wager many people knowing a thing about Crisis Core! The fans who would already vote for these characters being hyped does absolutely nothing.

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Cloud Strife: What’s going to happen to the Planet?
Sephiroth: That… will be for you to decide.

It is all about Vincent. Nomura even stated that Advent Children was the end of Cloud's story. Dirge of Cerberus is the sequel to Advent Children. It may feature other FFVII characters, but Cloud being a prominent feature is pretty much not even possible at this point. Hell, I think Cloud won't even be around for any sequels after Advent Children -- I believe Clodu will be dying at the end of AC.

Now, this doesn't mean he cannot appear in other Final Fantasy VII titles, so don't jump at me for saying that. But all you're doing here is assuming. Dirge of Cerberus and Advent Children are the only things worth considering at this point in terms of helping them boost. If you think there's other titles that could help then I have nothing more to say to you. Those titles have a little more than a title.

And I point you again to again to my point about Kingdom Hearts, if we're to even assume it to be true. And, of course, I'm starting to tire in this circular argument based almost solely on how much *hype* each character is receiving.

How many people are aware of those spin-offs? How many people are hyped about those spin-offs? How many people are aware of Twilight Princess? How many people are hyped about Twilight Princess?

If you can even think about comparing the two you're living in some sort of delusional world.

Actually, before calling me delusional maybe you should think for a second and give me the answer to your own rhetorical questions. Can you do that? And can you then discern exactly how much each will contribute theoretically to a boost in popularity expressed on a GameFAQs voting poll?

...right. And I'm the delusional one.
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I'm about to get sigged by Karma Hunter, and all I'll get is this lousy T-shirt.--Clockwork Dragon

Heh... I figured this topic would be all over Tifa just like Vincent, seems I was right. Who knows, Terra could be above the Vyse fodder line just like I thought this year. The Vyse Fodder Line will be at 15 or so... heh. We'll have to change it to the Vercetti Fodder Line just to keep the acronym consistent. Just random predictions.

WHOAMG! Vyse is getting SFFed!
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Raiden fact of the contest: Alucard is a plagiarist, this year Raiden will prove it!

You know something? I have Cloud winning the bracket. I would love to see Tifa/Vincent win this bracket. I believe Advent Children will put Cloud over Link. I believe hype was not the sole, or even major, factor in Link's increase.

I just wanted to clear that little bit up. Because it appears that I'm arguing things like I'm in favor of Link over Cloud or that Twilight Princess was a huge part of his boost, which it most certainly was not. No matter who you are, calling these spin-offs as being useful in any way when they have absolutely nothing to do with the characters and have virtually no information about them is just stupidity.

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Cloud Strife: What’s going to happen to the Planet?
Sephiroth: That… will be for you to decide.

Have you not been listening? Those spin-offs have almost nothing about them. You're telling me that people are suppose to be hugely anticipating Crisis Core on the PSP over something like Twilight Princess? I wouldn't even wager many people knowing a thing about Crisis Core! The fans who would already vote for these characters being hyped does absolutely nothing.

You see, this is why I think you *really* need to rethink some things. You're thinking that the information released about a game is proportional to the amount of hype it's receiving. That's not true by any means. Hell, people are hyping a remake of FF7 based on absolutely NOTHING concrete at all.

But if you're going to keep stating that TP *must* be the be-all end-all of hype and that nothing that FF7 is putting out can compare to it, without a single shred of evidence other than your own 'logic', then I don't know what I'm supposed to do to convince you otherwise. I can't very well *be* you, after all.
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I'm about to get sigged by Karma Hunter, and all I'll get is this lousy T-shirt.--Clockwork Dragon

And I point you again to again to my point about Kingdom Hearts, if we're to even assume it to be true. And, of course, I'm starting to tire in this circular argument based almost solely on how much *hype* each character is receiving.

You're telling me that the already existing fans -- which is what the comment about KH would be, they are existing fans if they became fans in 2003 -- should start anticipating Crisis Core and thus vote for Cloud even though they were already going to do such in the first place?

Actually, before calling me delusional maybe you should think for a second and give me the answer to your own rhetorical questions. Can you do that?

I don't need to answer those questions with numbers of any kind. It does not need a detailed answer in order for those questions to be 'few' in favor of Crisis Core and 'pretty much everyone' in favor of Twilight Princess. If these titles were being hyped by the general public or were being talked about, you would see that. All you're doing is seeing "Final Fantasy VII spin-off" and immediately assuming that everyone is all over it, regardless of the fact that they are not. There will always be people anticipating a particular game, no matter what it is. But if you even want to compare the hype and anticipation of Crisis Core to Twilight Princess then, well, any insult would be viable.

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Cloud Strife: What’s going to happen to the Planet?
Sephiroth: That… will be for you to decide.

But you see, I *don't* think TP's announcement boosted Link very much, if at all. I don't think that the hype over the spinoffs will help Cloud much, if at all. But in my eyes, if you give a character one you have to give a character the other. I don't really see how you could do so otherwise.
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I'm about to get sigged by Karma Hunter, and all I'll get is this lousy T-shirt.--Clockwork Dragon

If Tifa beats Vyse with 77% and Tifa=Vincent, where does that put Kerrigan?

Can somebody calculate this, please? Thanks.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

You're telling me that the already existing fans -- which is what the comment about KH would be, they are existing fans if they became fans in 2003 -- should start anticipating Crisis Core and thus vote for Cloud even though they were already going to do such in the first place?

No, I'm talking about people seeing the FF7 spinoffs, wondering what all the fuss is about, and playing FF7 as a result to find out. As, of course, that was a theory being bandied about on how KH helped out back in 2003.

I don't need to answer those questions with numbers of any kind.

Uh huh. Please, shut up now.

It does not need a detailed answer in order for those questions to be 'few' in favor of Crisis Core and 'pretty much everyone' in favor of Twilight Princess. If these titles were being hyped by the general public or were being talked about, you would see that. All you're doing is seeing "Final Fantasy VII spin-off" and immediately assuming that everyone is all over it, regardless of the fact that they are not. There will always be people anticipating a particular game, no matter what it is. But if you even want to compare the hype and anticipation of Crisis Core to Twilight Princess then, well, any insult would be viable.

Except it ISN'T just Crisis Core, and you know it isn't. The fact that there are so many spin-offs at once, all being hyped at once and that you are so quick to label one as 'few' and another as 'pretty much everyone' means to me that you're too narrow-minded to accept that the games may very well not be as accepted as you expect. TP could very well be just garnering MASSIVE hype from a niche group, while the spinoffs are spreading through massive hype in a more broad group.
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I'm about to get sigged by Karma Hunter, and all I'll get is this lousy T-shirt.--Clockwork Dragon

In 2004, using Xsts and Cloud as the base, I figured Vyse would get 26.5% on Sonic.


My only problem here is if using Cloud might not work. Vyse obviously competed directly against Cloud, and I can see a little of SFF against Vyse, but not a lot... And Sonic was compared to Cloud through Samus, obviously. (I believe I worked Sonic to get about 34% on Cloud)...


So if all that is true... seeing as how Tifa is holding Vyse to under that 26.5% mark, that unless Sonic rose quite a bit from last year, then it ain't lookin good...


Now perhaps, we can agree Jin would beat Terry by a condsiderable amount... I imagine Tekken is a more popular series, and for fighting games, they seem to rely a lot more on their games than for most character's strength... so I think Sonic did as well on Jin as would be expected. Maybe better, maybe worse... hard to say... I just hope Tekken is damn popular.


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Tifa over Vyse. Voting For: Vyse. 24/26

You're thinking that the information released about a game is proportional to the amount of hype it's receiving.

Actually, I'm not thinking like that at all. But there is simply no way possible someone could be hyped up about a mere title, which is basically what Crisis Core boils down to at this point. There is simply nothing to get hyped about in the first place, at least not a scale that's comparable to anything remotely big.

That's not true by any means. Hell, people are hyping a remake of FF7 based on absolutely NOTHING concrete at all.

People have been hyping a remake of Final Fantasy VII since the PS2 was released. That's nothing new. But the recent trailer of it on the PS3 certainly manages to get people back into the mood of wanting to get hyped up on a potential remake of the game. Since there's actually a trailer, instead of just fan rumors that have spread there's something there to potentially look forward to.

The amount of people who were crazy and excited about the PS3 tech demo are far above the people who are even thinking about Crisis Core at this point.

But if you're going to keep stating that TP *must* be the be-all end-all of hype and that nothing that FF7 is putting out can compare to it, without a single shred of evidence other than your own 'logic'.

My God, do you just ignore every little point that is not beneficial to you? I have stated repeatedly just how much I think Twilight Princess hype affected Link. I even went into detail about what other things contributed to Link's boost. You, apparently, chose to ignore them for whatever reason.

But you see, I *don't* think TP's announcement boosted Link very much, if at all.

Welcome to what I said toward the beginning of this argument.

I don't think that the hype over the spinoffs will help Cloud much, if at all. But in my eyes, if you give a character one you have to give a character the other. I don't really see how you could do so otherwise.

People giving Link the ability to increase based on Twilight Princess are far more justified in their choosing than you are over the very minor Final Fantasy VII spin-offs. If you were to say that Advent Children could play just as big a role as Twilight Princess, I would have agreed with you completely. That is something has has been announced and has been receiving some hype for some time now. The other titles in that Final Fantasy VII Compilation have done very little in the way to generate any interest other than being announced.

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Cloud Strife: What’s going to happen to the Planet?
Sephiroth: That… will be for you to decide.

Uh huh. Please, shut up now.

I wish you would had taken your own advice when you started talking every character decreasing.

Except it ISN'T just Crisis Core, and you know it isn't.

Crisis Core is an example to show just how well known these little spin-offs are. Advent Children? Good deal. Dirge of Cerberus? Good deal. You start talking about anything else and you're venturing into territory where not only few people know of these games existence, but that equally as few are actually all in an uproar about them. The previous two could very well bring that hype factor into play. But the others are worthless for this sort of thing.

TP could very well be just garnering MASSIVE hype from a niche group, while the spinoffs are spreading through massive hype in a more broad group.

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Cloud Strife: What’s going to happen to the Planet?
Sephiroth: That… will be for you to decide.

Actually, I'm not thinking like that at all. But there is simply no way possible someone could be hyped up about a mere title, which is basically what Crisis Core boils down to at this point. There is simply nothing to get hyped about in the first place, at least not a scale that's comparable to anything remotely big.

A title is all you need--and again, you act as though it's JUST Crisis Core. If it references FF7, it has the potential to get people interested.

People have been hyping a remake of Final Fantasy VII since the PS2 was released. That's nothing new. But the recent trailer of it on the PS3 certainly manages to get people back into the mood of wanting to get hyped up on a potential remake of the game. Since there's actually a trailer, instead of just fan rumors that have spread there's something there to potentially look forward to.

The amount of people who were crazy and excited about the PS3 tech demo are far above the people who are even thinking about Crisis Core at this point.

Whatever--it's still 'hype', however you want to call it. The reasons are irrelevant.

My God, do you just ignore every little point that is not beneficial to you? I have stated repeatedly just how much I think Twilight Princess hype affected Link. I even went into detail about what other things contributed to Link's boost. You, apparently, chose to ignore them for whatever reason.

That rereleases of old games to a relatively minute market would boost Link fails to make any sense to me (seeing as how we've got Mega Man who functions as almost a direct opposite). And Soul Caliber II, by all standards, should have helped Link more during the previous contest, especially in its first days.

Honestly, the idea that they would is 'worthy of any insult'. -_-

Welcome to what I said toward the beginning of this argument.

What you *said* is irrelevant, since we're arguing about a theoretical we both don't believe in.

People giving Link the ability to increase based on Twilight Princess are far more justified in their choosing than you are over the very minor Final Fantasy VII spin-offs.

See, right there. Minor. Again, you jump to it.

If you were to say that Advent Children could play just as big a role as Twilight Princess, I would have agreed with you completely. That is something has has been announced and has been receiving some hype for some time now. The other titles in that Final Fantasy VII Compilation have done very little in the way to generate any interest other than being announced.

In your opinion. Which at this point I don't think you'll be convincing me is anything BUT flawed.

I wish you would had taken your own advice when you started talking every character decreasing.

Oh, give it a rest, that wasn't what I was talking about and you know it.

Crisis Core is an example to show just how well known these little spin-offs are. Advent Children? Good deal. Dirge of Cerberus? Good deal. You start talking about anything else and you're venturing into territory where not only few people know of these games existence, but that equally as few are actually all in an uproar about them. The previous two could very well bring that hype factor into play. But the others are worthless for this sort of thing.

Based, of course, on what YOU think. And the answer to the opposite, of course, is a set of dots.

Why, again, should I take your opinion so highly?
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I'm about to get sigged by Karma Hunter, and all I'll get is this lousy T-shirt.--Clockwork Dragon

On an unrelated note, I find it pretty funny how this contest went from being ALL NINTENDO'S!!111 to ALL SQUARE'S!!!111 to ALL FFVII'S!!111!! in about one week's time. I'm betting that by the time we've gone through the top half of the bracket again, we'll be in ALL NINTENDO!!!11 mode a second time.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

I really doubt Tifa will outdo Squall on Luigi. I expect a comparatively disappointing second round for the FF VII crew. Round 1: *Bandwagon loads up* Round 2: *Bandwagon crashes and burns*.
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Raiden fact of the contest: Alucard is a plagiarist, this year Raiden will prove it!

On an unrelated note, I find it pretty funny how this contest went from being ALL NINTENDO'S!!111 to ALL SQUARE'S!!!111 to ALL FFVII'S!!111!! in about one week's time. I'm betting that by the time we've gone through the top half of the bracket again, we'll be in ALL NINTENDO!!!11 mode a second time.

We will. Specially in the first hour of each match.
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"Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone's got one and nobody thinks their's stink." -Lunar 2:EB
*Claims KG's Eclair & Millia Rage*

Yeah. Nintendo and Square are just pulverizing everything. Both of them. Heck, many Square characters shone in their losses, like Yuna and Rikku. And let's not forget Riku, who, while owned by Disney, is easier to associate with Square, much like Geno is to Nintendo.
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"You can't have gone over a kilometer up. 1500 meters, tops." -Samus Aran
"I'll express my love to you slowly, later." -Setzer Gabbiani

That rereleases of old games to a relatively minute market would boost Link fails to make any sense to me (seeing as how we've got Mega Man who functions as almost a direct opposite)

See, the difference there is that unlike a Sonic Mega Collection or a Mega Man Anniversary Collection, The Legend of Zelda Collection came packaged with the GameCube. Those others had to sell on their own little ability. No matter if you were a Zelda fan or not, when you bought a GameCube you got the free copy of the collection. During its time packaged, the GameCube sold around 1 - 2 million units, which gives the Collection roughly the same numbers. Considering there has been an increase for Zelda as a whole, it makes sense that this would be the reasoning as opposed to hype. I don't see the problem in believing this as the reason for the 4% boost.

And Soul Caliber II, by all standards, should have helped Link more during the previous contest, especially in its first days.

Possibly. It came out around the 27th of August and Link/Cloud happened a few days later. It might have been too recent, but it might have helped.

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Cloud Strife: What’s going to happen to the Planet?
Sephiroth: That… will be for you to decide.

Well, I expected it. The Nintendo powerhouses were all in the top bracket, so they were the ones to shine first. The Square powerhouses were in the bottom, and now they're the ones shining. The Final is definitely looking to be Nintendo in the top slot and Square in the bottom slot.
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"Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone's got one and nobody thinks their's stink." -Lunar 2:EB
*Claims KG's Eclair & Millia Rage*