"WHOAMG Lopen, your tastes suck!"

And on that note, the topic reaches its conclusion.
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You think I'd be one to go off on a tangent about such a thing? Absolutely not.
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Kirby is going to beat Tidus pretty comfortably... I should have just picked Kirby to win it.
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OK, seeing the topic is dying, I go on with another question...

What about Master Chief vs Donkey Kong? DK has any chance for you?
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Once again, absolutely not. Super CATS is tough, even tougher against anti-vote magnet Master Chief. I'm thinking Master Chief will win much more comfortably than most expect.
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I think DK is set to surprise here. He beat Sam Fisher almost as well as Magus did and if we're to assume that Magus > Frog then we have to consider the possibility that this match could be very, very close.
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AW DS comes out on the 23rd. Does anybody think maybe a Max or Grit could be over the VFL?
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I still think Master Chief shall win, although MC and DK's first round results got me a little worried...

It may just be that CATS has had a combination of the factor you said, though... and that MC will win easily...
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"AW DS comes out on the 23rd. Does anybody think maybe a Max or Grit could be over the VFL?"

Far too early to tell.
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I have the solution to Magus Vs. Knuckles. I can't believe we didn't see it before.

Magus 2003 = Magus 2005
Knuckles 2005 = Sonic 2003

The small margin of victory is clearly seen in the Magus/Sonic relationship in the 2003 X-Stats. This makes total sense, or as much sense as Magus dropping like a brick.

v_v
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Knuckles 2005 = Sonic 2003

I can accept that if Knuckles takes his division.
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...Smurf? You can get back to your main now.
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>_>

He ****ing better. Only character worth anything left in that division. Go Knux! ;_;
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Magus was overrated, that's clear as day to see. It wasn't him just dropping like a brick. It is unlikely he was ever really that strong to begin with, for whatever reason.

You can make sense of Magus 'dropping' more than you can Knuckles increasing. =p

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He might not have been overrated, in the year 2003. That's possibly just how strong he was, in that year. He could have then gone on to drop in 2004, and even further this year. When you adjust things to make them make sense in the context of previous years, things get iffy.

I just want Knuckles to win, is all.
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He was probably just overrated. Tidus took a very similiar drop between 2003 and 2004. Of course who knows what happenend to Tidus between 2002 to 2004. He was probably overrated a bit in 2002 (which would explain why Claire is so high), but not that much. He has just been frefalling over the years.
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But, how do we explain Rikku being stronger than Tidus's 2k4 rating?
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Well have to wait to get that answer.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Tripling Gordon Freeman.

I could actually see Rikku over Tidus at this point, while I couldn't two years ago. Don't take this as repect for X-2, either. Frankly, it seems to that as the game ages the more the favorites (Rikku and Auron) will show themselves to be the better representatives over the leads (Tidus and Yuna).

The reasoning for this is that everyone has a limit to their attention span, and people who have FFX in their recent memory might support Tidus out of general good feelings for the game while they'd forget about him when newer and better things come along. People who pick a favorite, though, are much less likely to forget that favorite when the next best thing comes along. It's for that reason that Kefka is so much more powerful than Terra and also why she's not far off from Ultros.

Being the main character only matters if it's within recent memory or people actually liked the main. FF7, long out of recent memory, featured a main that many people consider likable. For that Cloud hangs tough. FF8, likewise on the memory deal, featured a love him or hate him character in Squall (though for most the whle game was that way). For that Squall was at his best when he returned to recent memory with Kingdom Hearts. Zidane, also a few years off now, hasn't shown signs of being much (if any) stronger than Kefka and certainly doesn't look prime to beat Vivi.

While the main will always hold a good deal of sway over people (because every character has at least a few fans, and others vote for the main in memory of a good game) the favorites, should they prove their place in the fanbase, will less likely be reduced in strength and may often prove stronger than their leads. I think, at this point, the only reason we've assumed the opposite to be true was because the only examples have been characters that were rightfully the favorites along with being the leads.
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Extremely well said.

Can you extend that to ToS by any chance, seeing how I didn't play it (yet)?
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"You can't have gone over a kilometer up. 1500 meters, tops." -Samus Aran
"I'll express my love to you slowly, later." -Setzer Gabbiani

I applied the same logic to why Freeman will do a little better this year but was laughed out. Probably because of his reputation >_<
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But is Freeman more than the guy on the loading screen this time around? Kerrigan was that and so much more, and look where that got her.
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"You can't have gone over a kilometer up. 1500 meters, tops." -Samus Aran
"I'll express my love to you slowly, later." -Setzer Gabbiani

After seeing some posts on these topics,I feel dump for having Bowser over Snake...Oh well now in the next contest,I will do even better then!
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I don't see the relevance of Kerrigan's first-time performance and Gordon performing a little better than previously because of a new game.
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"No, you see. Here's the problem. You don't know the history of psychiatry. I do." - Tom Cruise

The Kerrigan comment was just an extra. Would one actually care for Freeman after HL2 for anything else than his contest reputation?
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"You can't have gone over a kilometer up. 1500 meters, tops." -Samus Aran
"I'll express my love to you slowly, later." -Setzer Gabbiani

Nicely said, but we still have characters like Crono whom seem to represent the game itself more than being liked for his individual character, and he's still one of the strongest forces here...
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They don't have to.

You'd just have to be crazy to think that after 4 years, Gordon Freeman didn't drop AT ALL from 1998 to 2002 due to Half-Life being old and him fading from memory completely, being as immemorable as he was.

Half-Life 2 will make up for any theoretical drop that would have happened in those 4 years.
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Sorry Slow, you and I are both in the dark for ToS, it seems. I really only know what I hear.

"Nicely said, but we still have characters like Crono whom seem to represent the game itself more than being liked for his individual character, and he's still one of the strongest forces here..."

And I'll repeat... I think, at this point, the only reason we've assumed the opposite to be true was because the only examples have been characters that were rightfully the favorites along with being the leads.

Frankly, I know that many people on this board will disrespect that opinion, but I know I would vote Crono over Magus myself and I'm not the only one. His part in the game is bigger, to many people he probably looks cooler, and despite what some people say he's a very likable character. He isn't just the lead, but also the favorite character of most people who don't consider themselves among the hardcore of CT fans... I leave it to you to assume which group would be larger.
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Now Link, fill up your hearts
So you can shoot your sword with power

And his name is practically in the title.

*runs away*
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"No, you see. Here's the problem. You don't know the history of psychiatry. I do." - Tom Cruise

mario has more character than crono.
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Put Frog or Magus or most anyone else as the players character, and have Crono just be a random party member. Would Crono still do so well in the contests? I can't believe it would be so. It just doesn't make sense.
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Raiden fact of the contest: Alucard is a plagiarist, this year Raiden will prove it!

I think it's a combo of being the main character, having a personality that would only work FOR a main character, and being far and away the most kickass in battle definitely helps.
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"No, you see. Here's the problem. You don't know the history of psychiatry. I do." - Tom Cruise

Mario doesn't have cool Dual and Triple Techs, and he doesn't have Luminaire...

It doesn't take much to like a character...
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I think it's a combo of being the main character, having a personality that would only work FOR a main character, and being far and away the most kickass in battle definitely helps.

Or what he just said.... <_<
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I also hate Kirby vs Tidus. #1 favorite character vs #3 favorite character

#2 vs. #3 here, then Bowser took out a top 15, and might take out my #10, and I do like the Koopa King pretty well. Then I've got my #1 vs. my #6 next round, my #8 vs. my #13 tomorrow, facing my #5 next round.

And I've had my #6 vs. my #7 every year in this contest, and #7 vs. #1 in year 1. #3 vs. #4 in 2003, #1 vs. #3 in 2004, #8 vs. #11 in 2004, followed by #1 vs. #11.

So yeah, my favorites face off a lot in this thing.
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#2 vs. #3 here, then Bowser took out a top 15, and might take out my #10, and I do like the Koopa King pretty well. Then I've got my #1 vs. my #6 next round, my #8 vs. my #13 tomorrow, facing my #5 next round.

And I've had my #6 vs. my #7 every year in this contest, and #7 vs. #1 in year 1. #3 vs. #4 in 2003, #1 vs. #3 in 2004, #8 vs. #11 in 2004, followed by #1 vs. #11.

So yeah, my favorites face off a lot in this thing.

...I'll figure this out...just give me a minute...>_>
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"Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone's got one and nobody thinks their's stink." -Lunar 2:EB
*Claims KG's Eclair & Millia Rage*

Mario doesn't have cool Dual and Triple Techs, and he doesn't have Luminaire...

It doesn't take much to like a character...

Yeah, but he has Super Jump and Ultra Jump...and he's a mime who can walk over invisible bridges.

SMRPG Mario > All
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Double and Triple Techs in SMRPG would have been nice...
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This match certainly points to a huge overperformance on kefka's part against wesker. A static luca and static magus through 2k4 to 2k5 points to the same thing, but this is much more concrete.

How much do you all think angel kefka caused him to overperform by?
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Kratos won his first five minute update. Not bad.
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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 8/13/2005 8:38:33 PM | #235
#2 vs. #3 here, then Bowser took out a top 15, and might take out my #10, and I do like the Koopa King pretty well. Then I've got my #1 vs. my #6 next round, my #8 vs. my #13 tomorrow, facing my #5 next round.

And I've had my #6 vs. my #7 every year in this contest, and #7 vs. #1 in year 1. #3 vs. #4 in 2003, #1 vs. #3 in 2004, #8 vs. #11 in 2004, followed by #1 vs. #11.

So yeah, my favorites face off a lot in this thing.

Damn, and I thought I had it rough with Magus/Knuckles (#2 vs. #7) and Samus/Frog (#3 vs. #6). I've had #4 vs. #3 (Link/Samus 2003) and #5 vs. #3 twice (Sonic/Samus). Outside of that I can't think of much.
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"You can't have gone over a kilometer up. 1500 meters, tops." -Samus Aran
"I'll express my love to you slowly, later." -Setzer Gabbiani

Are those rankings for the characters in the actual contest or your overall favorites?

I hope it's the former >_> <_<
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"No, you see. Here's the problem. You don't know the history of psychiatry. I do." - Tom Cruise

Anyone who knows me knows who my favorites are.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

And most people don't like my list of favorites, so that's nothing new, so whatever.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

...whatever.
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#2 vs. #3 here, then Bowser took out a top 15, and might take out my #10, and I do like the Koopa King pretty well. Then I've got my #1 vs. my #6 next round, my #8 vs. my #13 tomorrow, facing my #5 next round.

And I've had my #6 vs. my #7 every year in this contest, and #7 vs. #1 in year 1. #3 vs. #4 in 2003, #1 vs. #3 in 2004, #8 vs. #11 in 2004, followed by #1 vs. #11.

Took me awhile. I haven't refreshed yet, but I'm sure many have already beaten me to it:

3 = Kirby, 2 = Tidus. 1 vs. 6 = Squall vs. Knuckles. 8 vs. 13 = Vyse vs. Tifa, 5 = Luigi.

6 vs. 7 every year = Solid > Knux, 7 vs. 1 = Solid > Squall. 3 vs. 4 = Kirby vs. Alucard, 1 vs. 3 = Squall vs. Kirby, 8 vs. 11 = Cloud > Vyse, 1 vs. 11 = Cloud > Squall.

More riddles like this, please.
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3 vs. 4 = Kirby vs. Ramza
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Nah, Alucard's not one of my favorites. Unfortunately, I've never been able to get a hold of SotN.
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Oh. That was the only one I was unsure of. He faced both, ya know.. >__>
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