Nah, it's not that the day vote is over. Sonic just won the morning vote and they're about equal with the day vote. I think Sonic characters are stronger in the morning than in (rest of) the day, in fact...

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Ugh, I can't believe Sonic is just baring passing 76.55.... He should have gotten at least 80!!
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Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Mega Man manages a Crono-like percentage against Conker. The foul-mouthed squirrel's picture is absolutely horrid, and even with his new Xbox game, Mega Man has an uncanny knack for destroying crap.
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Conkers pic is horrid? I think he looks extremely cool.

He looks like he's in friggin' decomposition. Much like Snake against Crono in 2002, and Crono against Mario a few days later.
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Yeah, I <3 Conkers pic... MM's isn't bad, but it's nothing spectacular either.

But Tifa > Sonic is getting me scurred.

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Im actually playing Conker's game right now and its .... interesting to say the least.

But yeah, this is not very impressive for Sonic.
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Two days after Knuckles pulled the single biggest upset of all time to boot.

Know what? I'm tempted to start writing the Winners and Losers column right now. This contest has been a helluva ride so far, and I have so many ideas in my head, I'm afraid I might lose some. Don't worry, I'm not putting it up today, I'll wait until the end of the round for that. But after what we've seen so far, I doubt anyone can come close to a (dis)honorable mention in the last quarter.
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You can't have gone over a kilometer up. 1500 meters, tops. -Samus Aran

"The exceptions are:
Crono, Alucard, Ryu, Vyse, Duke Nukem, Ryo Hazuki, Kirby, and Bomberman."

Fixed. Also, tack onto that the optional Yuna and Zelda, as it means they'd take an even tougher-to-swallow increase between 2K3 and 2K4.

Duke Nukem has that milk carton factor.

Kirby and Bomberman doesn't increase in 2k4 if you decrease Squall by 3%.

Alucard being SFFd in 2003 makes Bomberman equal pretty much from 2002 to 2004 and Kirby getting exactly what he should in 2004.

But that just makes TOO MUCH sense.

Tell me, what kind of SFF would it be?

They're not in the same game, not in the same franchise, hell not even made by the same company!

White hair SFF?
Long hair SFF?
Pretty boy SFF?
Long sword SFF?

You're pulling SFF's out of the blue...

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I'd expect Jin >> Kazuya. Jin's top tier in 2 tekken games, whereas Kazuya is top in only 1 game my knowledge. Kazuya doesn't really get as much attention nowadays.

Though I'd bet either Yoshi or Heihachi would be the best.
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hey're not in the same game, not in the same franchise, hell not even made by the same company!

White hair SFF?
Long hair SFF?
Pretty boy SFF?
Long sword SFF?

You're pulling SFF's out of the blue...


You should know that FF7 characters (or games) tend to overperform on other PSX games..
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Jin > Kazuya is a given. It's Jin > Terry I have a problem with. Have you ever seen a Jin fanboy? Me neither. On the other hand, there was so much bloody whining when Sonic destroyed Terry it wasn't even funny.
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I think he's going for the badass SFF, like many are predicting to occur in Vincent/Dante, Vincent being the beneficiary of it because "SFF involved with FF7 always ends up with FF7 benefiting from it."

I don't buy it... but that's what I think he's shooting for.

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Yeah and much like Kerrigan this boards most likely the only place that gave a crap about Terry. Atleast casuals would recognize Jin as the Tekken guy.

Sidharta, how about we go with the "Sepiroth's and Alucard's game were released within the same WEEK factor and both seem to appeal to similiar fanbases."
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...or that. >>

But yeah, once again, another arguement in Vincent/Dante used by Vincent supporters, although DMC has only been on PS2, they're accepting it anyway.

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That one's a bit tough to swallow for me as well. While Tekken is clearly the more popular series, none of its characters seem to have the recognition and following of Terry. He's clearly the Ryu of his series, and I don't think Tekken has anyone to match that. Of course, unless Sonic took a big drop or many people are voting based on the picture, Jin is indeed stronger.
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Also, there was a really high resolution, PS3-type pic of Jin floating around a few months ago. Dunno how that would effect things.

But I think Tekken may do better on this site than most people give credit. It's really unpopular on board 8, but elsewhere else on gfaqs it's reasonably respected.
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Yeah, but why isn't there a single person outraged? People seem to care a lot less about Jin, yet he's doing 4-5 points better than Terry.
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Yeah and much like Kerrigan this boards most likely the only place that gave a crap about Terry.

That isn't the case at all. There are many people outside of the board who like Terry. And for recent games, King of Fighters was released on the PS2 and Xbox not to long ago. It isn't as though Tekken 5 did much better than it in sales.

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Is it wrong for me to say that I hope Tifa beats Sonic just to see Smurf cry about it?
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heh, i've been concerned about Tifa over Sonic since day one. i opted for Sonic in the end, but i have always felt that Tifa will be a little stronger than Aeris. just hopefully not enough to beat Sonic. and even if Jin is supposed to be a rather popular Tekken character, i still feel a bit underwhelmed by Sonic's performance.

and apologies for not knowing enough about Tekken, but i had no idea that Jin was the face of Tekken. i always thought that Yoshimitsu was the main representative. if someone mentions Tekken, Yoshimitsu is the first character to pop up in my head. i still think that he would be the strongest Tekken representative.

and i wholeheartedly believe that Nightmare will be stronger than any fighting game character except Ryu. i bet that he could match Bison, Ken, Chun-Li and Scorpion. Taki and Ivy could possibly do decently, as well, but i see Nightmare as the main rep for Soul Calibur. like someone said earlier, SC was the top fighting game in Spring2K4, so it's pretty likely that one of it's characters could be a prescence.

and, yeah, i've nominated Nightmare for two years now, and tried to rally nominations for him, but didn't get very far with it. -_-

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I want to see Tifa beat Sonic, but not for that reason. It would be another bonus though. Heh.

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Is it wrong for me to say that I hope Tifa beats Sonic just to see Smurf cry about it?

Won't really make much sense to single out one guy when a majority of the board will be out for blood.
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The vocalness of fanboys mean NOTHING for popularity, even on GameFAQS. The thing is, while Terry is the face of KoF, hardly anyone gives a damn about KoF, while each Tekken has been met with considerable fanfare (even considering the poor sales for some). The fact that Jin got in (and Terry didn't?) without a peep from the board is enough for me to think that he's above Terry.

Not to mention that for all the whining that was done when Terry was beaten, it was NOTHING compared to the Luca Blight fanboys when their boy was done and through. And honestly, everyone knew he didn't have a chance.
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I was unaware a 2D action platformer appealed to the same fanbase as RPGs...

Seriously, just because two games are released in the week of one another doesn't mean I'm buying both if I was only going to buy one previously.

I'm not saying people who enjoy one genre wouldn't enjoy the other, but don't even go there girlfriend. >_____>

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Jin has only showed up in the newer Tekkens (his first game was Tekken 3), but he's clearly the main character of Tekken 5.

Yoshi's been there since the beginning, but he's never played a big part in the story. Yoshi, Nina Williams, and Paul are the only characters who are playable in every Tekken game.
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and apologies for not knowing enough about Tekken, but i had no idea that Jin was the face of Tekken. i always thought that Yoshimitsu was the main representative. if someone mentions Tekken, Yoshimitsu is the first character to pop up in my head. i still think that he would be the strongest Tekken representative.

Ditto... the nightmare thing too, I just got lazy and didn't feel like recopying with that part included. >>

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You should know that FF7 characters (or games) tend to overperform on other PSX games..

CATS, Bowser, Sonic, and Link were defeated by Cloud in 2k3.

All of them increased in 2k4, are you going to say that Cloud SFF'ed them all in 2k3?

I'll take a Cloud decrease over any kind of "Factor" you might want to put in those matches.

Sidharta, how about we go with the "Sepiroth's and Alucard's game were released within the same WEEK factor and both seem to appeal to similiar fanbases."

FF VII is multi-char, storyline driven, turn-based RPG; while Castlevania:SotN is a single-char, puzzle driven, action RPG.
In what way are they similar?

And you're the first person to ever mention "Release Time Factor" here.

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Makes more sense than Link/Mega Man...

Also it does make sense for games that are released that close together to be associated with each other.

I know I do it with God of War and Resident Evil 4, Metroid Prime and Splinter Cell, and others.
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We definately need a Nightmare rally for next year (hell, we could've rally for the villains contest now that I though about it.) And I'm with cyko, I think he could fit in anywhere between the non-Ryu SFers and Scorpion.

No Im not, thats the entire reasoning behind Link/Mega Man. Their fanbases are both from the same generation on the same console.

You got two games with RPG elements released in the same time frame, you dont think they have more in common then most games?
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Yeah and much like Kerrigan this boards most likely the only place that gave a crap about Terry. Atleast casuals would recognize Jin as the Tekken guy.

that reminds me, i meant to ask, who would you have taken before the contest started:

Kerrigan vs. Jin Kazama

heck, who would you take now? keep in mind that if Kerrigan = Jin, (with Sonic at 76.5%) then Vincent would be projected to beat Sonic with 51.63%.

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We definately need a Nightmare rally for next year (hell, we could've rally for the villains contest now that I though about it.) And I'm with cyko, I think he could fit in anywhere between the non-Ryu SFers and Scorpion.

Count me in. I definately wanna see a Soul Calibur rep in this contest, and Nightmare would probably be most recognizable to the casuals to score those votes too. The only other character I can think of that might come close would be Ivy.
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I honestly don't know who I'd take in that match. I don't doubt that Vincent could very well be stronger than Sonic, but I just don't know how bad that purple sack of **** that was called Kerrigan could actually go. We have a relative grasp on how bad fighting game characters can be, from around the VFL to ****. Kerrigan could be absymal.
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Makes more sense than Link/Mega Man...

...yeah, well just about anything does, that doesn't mean it's right. Eating ice cream with a spatula makes more sense than a pitchfork, but thats not going to encourage people to do it.

Also it does make sense for games that are released that close together to be associated with each other.

Associated, yes, similar in strength, and appeal? Aww hell naw.

I know I do it with God of War and Resident Evil 4, Metroid Prime and Splinter Cell, and others.

Well we already know Game =/= Characters, so if you take into account release date with them, that's just another factor to skew things even more.

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Hopefully Jin doing this well on Sonic prooves Sonic will lose to MM
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Makes more sense than Link/Mega Man...

For the record, I've NEVER bought that whole Link/MM SFF argument.

Also it does make sense for games that are released that close together to be associated with each other.

I know I do it with God of War and Resident Evil 4, Metroid Prime and Splinter Cell, and others.

I've never heard of anyone else doing that.

About Nightmare, I nominated him too, but we really need a major rally if he were to get in.
Don't know about his strength though, I only nominated him because I like him.
He might be total fodder for all we know.

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Hopefully Jin doing this well on Sonic prooves Sonic will lose to Leon

Fixed.
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Whoa, we still have to see Megaman in action. But if he does this to Conker, it's pretty much a foregone conclusion.

Of course, if Tifa triples her opponent, then hello threesome.
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I'd take Jin with ease. I think this performance speaks more for Jin than for Sonic. I was pretty sure Jin would do much better than Terry. Terry fans are more hardcore, but Jin's got more casual appeal I think. Tekken > any and all SNK fighters here, I'd guess. And it looks like my Jin > Conker guess might not have been too far off, just by raw stats. (which I didn't use for my guess, obviously)

We really need to get a Soul Calibur character in one of these, I think they could surprise... look at how well Soul Calibur did against Kingdom Hearts. Yoshimitsu has Tekken and Soul Calibur as well, I may have to jump on his bandwagon.
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Hopefully Jin doing this well on Sonic prooves Sonic will lose to MM

Let's see how MM does against Conker before we decide who's the favorite.

And of course we need to pay attention to Tifa vs. Vyse too.

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For the record, I've NEVER bought that whole Link/MM SFF argument.

It's not an example of SFF so much as it is an example of voting patterns and extrapolated projections being far from transitive. As I said in another topic earlier, I believe Mega Man's fanbase is predominantly comprised of casuals and those who played and enjoyed his NES and SNES games, not his Playstation titles. Because of this, I'd expect the likes of Link and Mario to overperform on Mega Man on any given day.
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No Im not, thats the entire reasoning behind Link/Mega Man. Their fanbases are both from the same generation on the same console.

I think it has more to do with the style of the Megaman games.
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Kerrigan, if recognizable, would be stronger than Jin. With the picture that she had....I wouldn't have too much faith in her. Part of me hesitates to put Vincent over Sonic, but after today's performance I'm having second thoughts.
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alright!!! so, the Nomination Rally list for 2K6 is beginning (pay attention, Leon!!

potential Nomination Rally candidates:

Nightmare
another FF6 rep (Shadow, Mog, Locke, Celes, Edgar, Sabin)
Aeris (bleh....)
Shadow the Hedgehog (double bleh.....)

note- it's pretty much widely accpeted that all of the other FF6 characters not mentioned would be fodder or just above. when talking about another FF6 rep, those 6 are the only ones to get mentioned.

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It's not an example of SFF so much as it is an example of voting patterns and extrapolated projections being far from transitive. As I said in another topic earlier, I believe Mega Man's fanbase is predominantly comprised of casuals and those who played and enjoyed his NES and SNES games, not his Playstation titles. Because of this, I'd expect the likes of Link and Mario to overperform on Mega Man on any given day.

But MM did drop between 2k2 and 2k3, so what would prevent him from doing that again in 2k4?

And Zero's performance against Hayabusa weighs heavily against adjusting MM.

And Tidus' performance against KoaC doesn't speak too well about that either.

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I think Celes would be the next best candidate for FF6 aside from Terra. The arguements over the main character I always hear is between those two.

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I don't support rallying for Aeris and Shadow. And Leonhart only rallies for entirely new entrants. And if he didn't, Raiden is a better choice than either of those two. Just because we know their approximate strengths... Raiden's a total wild-card.
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I'm behind Nightmare and Celes. No one from FF6 gets me motivated enough, and Celes out of all of them is the one most likely to be slightly less fodderific than Terra. Nightmare could be anywhere from high fodder to a low midcarder, in my opinion, so I'd love to see him in as a worthwhile fighting game rep.

Aeris....ick. I much prefer Vincent and Tifa, especially if they prove stronger than our best estimates of aeris. We really don't need every member of the cast of FF7 in the contest.
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