No, there are very few characters I can see doing better than Jin from Tekken. It's not only a matter of finding the characters that the aficionados of the game will like, but the ones that will also be recognizable to the general public. I guarantee you more people recognize Jin than Steve Fox due to the posters and the fact that he's on the cover of some of the games.
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I'm about to get sigged by Karma Hunter, and all I'll get is this lousy T-shirt.--Clockwork Dragon

He's the boxer. ^_^ But I that answers my question aswell. To an extent.
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Rockman's Road to Victory: Round 1: Conker
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I think Yoshimitsu is the only Tekken character with the potential to do better than Jin.
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Yea you're right about that. Considering he is on the cover of the game. I guess part of me wants to see another fighting game character do aswell as Ryu. I guess I'll nominate Nightmare and Heihachi Mishima or Yoshimitsu(he has Tekken and SC on his side. Hopefully it will amount to something) next year. Hopefully they'll get in and probably can do something. By that time SCIII would be out for a decent amount of time. So who's to say.
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Rockman's Road to Victory: Round 1: Conker
Don't forget to vote for: Ryu(SF)

I used to play the earlier Tekken games, and I easily recognise Jin despite not playing a Tekken games in many years. But, I have no idea who this "Steve Fox" guy is.

Also, going back to the Soul Calibur characters debate - I'd expect most of them to be fodder to just above fodder. Nightmare would likely perform better than some of the others. Along with maybe a few of the ones to be usable from the start from all 3 of the Soul games.
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Ahem! There's LETTUCE on my boots!
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Thinking about it. Yoshimitsu might do well as he was in both Soul Calibur and Tekken.
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I don't think GameFAQs gives a **** about fighting games except for SSBM and, to a much lesser extent, SF2.

Which is fine by me, because the two Smash Bros games are the only fighting games to ever not suck in the history of video games.
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All user contests are wrong. All except mine, that is.
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=22809755

Any topic but this one, fellas.

From: NewLib | Posted: 8/12/2005 1:36:06 PM | Message Detail | #287
Look, If anything the past couple of days has taught us is we cant let arguments that A) Have no bearing on the contest, B) No bearing on the Stats, or C) Could last longer than 2 posts.

Its small now, but what if he responds. Then you respond. Then we have a 3 page argument on something that has nothing to do with this contest. Friendly/social discussion is fine and wanted. Arguments about things outside of the contest (especially ones that have so little to do with the match going on) need to be cut down on.

Im done arguing this.

They should go post in another topic if they want to talk about something else then.

Give me a god damn break. What are you people, the stats topic police?

OH NOES, someone made one post that isn't about the contest or stats! BURN HIM!

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

And if you say that Nintendo makes no games based on skill, I cite a game we were just discussing: SSBM.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Is Magus overrated, was Knuckles underrated, or both?

Oh damn, this might get more than two posts worth of discussion. I am a blasphemer.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Ulti, I really dont care. If we want this to be a topic just to a small Board 8, I can start a "Vote out your Resident Evil 4 character" contest as my next post.

But seeing as more people are complaining about it than not, I thought it might be a bright idea to try to do something about it.

But this your topic, so screw it.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Tripling Gordon Freeman.

I think it was more Magus being overrated than Knuckles being underrated. With Magus, we at least have the Fisher and Luca matches that indicate that his true strength (against non-Zelda characters, anyway) was well below what the matches against Link and Ganondorf indicated. I can't really point to anything that Knuckles has done that would show him to be significantly tougher than what the X-Stats show.
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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO...Pac-Man?

Still, Magus beat Ganondorf. Is Ganondorf overratted too? Would Knux beat Ganondorf?
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DEFENCE, DEFENCE
"Alas, history is nothing but a lie agreed upon" - Napoleon Bonaparte.

No, that was 2 years ago. Ganon has increased since then.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Tripling Gordon Freeman.

The only reason that Knux could be underrated is if Mega Man was hit more SFF that what we expected in 2004, other than that Knuckles doesen't seem like more than a high midcarder.

Still, Magus beat Ganondorf. Is Ganondorf overratted too? Would Knux beat Ganondorf?

Knuckles and Ganondorf have a common opponent. Do the math.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (2) Squall Leonhart 74412 (74.84%), (7) Geno 25022 (25.16%)

On a more serious note, it's odd that no one yells at me for going into great detail about how I got my hair done IN THE DIVINE STATS TOPIC THAT SHOULD NEVER BE SOCIAL OMG, but the second Deus says something anti-Nintendo he gets jumped on by the Stats Topic Police. How shocking that it's something anti-Nintendo that gets condemned first under our new attempts to be a nicer topic.

And a "Stats Topic Social" on a social board? I know that we're trying not to be mean to bad ideas, but there has to be an exception somewhere for things like that. Really, I don't see what so bad about some occasional RI or social stuff in a social board topic. Yes, this used to be a topic for nothing but top ten lists and such. But there are way too many people in here for the posters within to act like nothing but stat robots.

That entire exchange on the previous page sounded like something Jack Thompson would say.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Yeah, I chalk this performance up to the recent release of Tekken 5,

I really could not see that doing anything worth noting, to be honest. I'm sure it's helping a little, but the sales of that game were just bad.


But I'm pretty surprised that Jin is actually holding Sonic down. That's pretty bad for Sonic, I must say.

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Cloud: What’s going to happen to the Planet?
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STOP POSTING SO MUCH, ULTI. YOU'RE RUINING THE INTEGRITY OF THE STATS TOPICS!

And I'm with Magus being overrated. Fisher, Luca, Tidus? The Dorf and Link were flukes.
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All user contests are wrong. All except mine, that is.
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=22809755

But seeing as more people are complaining about it than not, I thought it might be a bright idea to try to do something about it.

There's a difference between trying to be a nicer topic and policing everything. You will never succeed in getting this topic to act like stat robots, and I figured that agreeing on an attitude cleanup would be enough for the topic that is allegedly more mature than the rest. I agree that we've been arrogant morons over the last week or two, but you need to realize that there's nothing wrong with this being a social/stats topic at the same time. In fact, I'm very tempted to change the name of the topic in the near future.

But this everyone's topic, so screw it.

Fixed. Nothing wrong with voicing an idea at all, but I just took offense to yours.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

I think Magus/Link 2003 is relatively easy to explain, given Magus's pre-2003 hype and the match picture. The real anomaly is Magus/Ganon in which Magus won despite his ugly-ass Vegita mug.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

If Tekken 5 is any help despite the poor sales most people must be playing it at the arcades.

Screw it, I see what you are saying.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Tripling Gordon Freeman.

And I'm sorry, but you people do need to lighten up. There were some problems that were there during Vincent/Kerrigan, but that all passed. We do not need to completely change everything due to some small complaints from people. All we need to do is lower the amount of insulting and vicious arguing that was taking place; we do not need to stat completely focused on stats and discussion without moving off at all.

I particularly do not like that there was a singling out of Karma Hunter despite the fact an ENTIRE PAGE was dedicated to discussing SSBM and whether or not its a traditional fighter. Seriously, I didn't mind that argument, but let's not get stupid with this. It doesn't matter if we have a social moment from time to time. Today's match is not particularly interesting enough as it is.

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Cloud: What’s going to happen to the Planet?
Sephiroth: That… will be for you to decide.

Maybe CT characters are especially strong against Zelda characters. I dunno, it's as good an explanation as any.
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All user contests are wrong. All except mine, that is.
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=22809755

If Tekken 5 is any help despite the poor sales most people must be playing it at the arcades.

I couldn't imagine the GameFAQs population being all over that, for some reason. But I do suppose the game itself had a hand considering that Jin actually got in this year.

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Cloud: What’s going to happen to the Planet?
Sephiroth: That… will be for you to decide.

I don't think sales are a real indication of popularity within these polls. We've seen GTA characters bomb to hell despite billions in gross sales, yet characters like Dante and Samus seem to have gone up despite their recent games only selling ~500k copies.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

I don't know if I'd chalk the Link and Ganondorf performances up to flukes...they might just the type of opponents that Magus needs to bring out full support from the Square fanbase (and maybe a bit of the casual vote too).
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I so beat Dusty to posting all of that. I am awesome.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Ulti, you left out the most obvious example of sales meaning nothing. Panzer Dragoon Saga.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Tripling Gordon Freeman.

Did Magus even have that much hype anymore by the time of his match with Link in 2003? His match with Ganondorf pretty much proved he didn't have what it took to win.

Also, if Tidus didn't drop between 2003 and 2004, but Magus just overperformed against Link in 2003, then wouldn't Tidus have had to drop between 2002 and 2003 instead?
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http://www.cbs.com/primetime/bigbrother6/_polls/amc_poll.shtml
VOTE FOR KAYSAR!

yet characters like Dante and Samus seem to have gone up despite their recent games only selling ~500k copies.

Well, I wouldn't have said anything if Tekken 5 had sold nearly 500,000. It sold bad, I'll see if I can get a number, but it's nowhere near 500,000.

Not to mention that a previous Tekken character was nothing anything worth talking about in these contests. Then add in the fact that GameFAQs is not exactly with fighting games and I just couldn't see a reason to Tekken 5 to do well. I mean, Scorpion is right around that fodder area and he's from Mortal Kombat.

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Cloud: What’s going to happen to the Planet?
Sephiroth: That… will be for you to decide.

Hey Ulti... do you remember saying this?


From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 7/18/2005 2:11:59 PM | Message Detail
It's funny to watch a couple of vocal (and delusional) Squall fans actually convince people that Magus will take a drop based off of complete joke/fodder characters and their unreliable inconsistency.


^_^

<3 you Ulti


*runs*


KB

Tidus could be overrated in 2002. Everyone else in that division was.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Tripling Gordon Freeman.

Tidus could be overrated in 2002. Everyone else in that division was.

It would still be a sizable drop in a year when most other new-school Square characters increased.
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http://www.cbs.com/primetime/bigbrother6/_polls/amc_poll.shtml
VOTE FOR KAYSAR!

Well there was a reason most of the new school characters increased. Kingdom Hearts.

Tidus role in KH wasnt very... flattering.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Tripling Gordon Freeman.

Well, you have to remember that Tidus's poll against Sonic went down for quite a while in 2002, and it was during Sonic's best time. That might have messed things up a bit. The vote totals for that match were very low.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (2) Squall Leonhart 74412 (74.84%), (7) Geno 25022 (25.16%)

Check that:

It would still be a sizable drop in a year when all other new-school Square characters increased.
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http://www.cbs.com/primetime/bigbrother6/_polls/amc_poll.shtml
VOTE FOR KAYSAR!

I still say that Magus overperformed in 2k3 due to it being a new year and him having a bandwagon of people wanting to see him do well. It's not that farfetched of an idea.
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Yeah but he didnt overperform against Ganon thats the problem.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Tripling Gordon Freeman.

Magus didn't overperform on Ganon as far as we know anyway. The Spring Contest is apparently the only time we've seen where Ganondorf has an absolute solid number, and the results of that one are still...dubious. If he beats Auron and gets SFF'd by Samus, we'll STILL have no idea where he really stands.

Granted, it's hard to deny that Ganondorf has increased since 2003, but we don't know exactly where he was then. I mean, by the 2004 stats, we now have Tidus > Knuckles > Magus.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (2) Squall Leonhart 74412 (74.84%), (7) Geno 25022 (25.16%)

If he beats Auron and gets SFFd by Samus, can't be just use Auron's strongest value as the base for Ganon? It would make enough sense.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Well, we don't have a solid base for Auron either. He's been behind a wall of SFF for the last two years as well. Auron through Scorpion and Auron through Tails give two different values.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (2) Squall Leonhart 74412 (74.84%), (7) Geno 25022 (25.16%)

Seeing how Magus fared against Knuckles, I would say he overperformed on Ganon AND Link. All signs point to it. Ganondorf proved his strength somewhat through Alucard and the Spring contest. Sam Fisher and Luca Blight make Magus look weak...
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

But he didnt. Unless Tidus also overperformed against Ganon.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Tripling Gordon Freeman.

I'd pick giving Auron his Scorpion value. It's the more recent match, plus it puts Ganon at an area that makes more sense given the Link/Zelda boosts.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

I think the difference between Sonic and Knuckles is about the same as Megaman and Zero, while it does make sense in one way, it doesn't in another.


Anyway vote for Knuckles and make Magus go higher in the X-stats.
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When this happened, all of us got PWND by Smurf
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I'm just going to hope that Auron takes out Ganondorf so that we can get a decent reading on both of them through Samus.
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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO...Pac-Man?