Cloud = FF7 would mean Link > OoT then...that strikes me as odd seeing most like Zelda for the game, not Link himself...

Link is stronger than OoT, I feel. He also has LttP which all but tied with CT. I feel he's one of the strongest examples of a character being stronger than his games. I think Ryu's another example.
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I hope so. I've been nomming Nightmare every year now. Maybe I should try one of those organized board rallies or something.

But NOW I have to worry about getting the massses to get Shadow back in.

I definately think a board rally is in order to get Nightmare in. I'll be nominating him again for the third year in a row.

As for Shadow hopefully his new game will give him enough to get back in providing it doesn't suck of course. But him and Aeris are both huges snubs IMO.
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Just out of curiosity, since we had a lot of powerful newcomers in this contest, which characters (excluding FFVII characters) do you think have the *potential* to place in the top half of the bracket? Not necessarily who you think would, just the characters you think there might be a possibility for:

I'm gonna guess:

Midna
Seifer
Peach
Nighmare/Talim/Yoshimitsu/Whoever the most popular Soul Calibur character is


And really, I can't think of anyone else. And I'm only placing Seifer there until I see how well Squall does this contest. I think Sheik would place there too, if she was eligible. Are there gonna be any new major characters in KHII? If so, include them as well.
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Would you guys say there's more characters that are stronger than the game(s) they're from, or more characters that are weaker than the game(s) they're from?

Most characters with multiple games are most likely stronger than their games. Link, Mario, Samus, Sonic, Mega Man, Ryu... They have so many games to choose from. One would think that as characters they would be the represenation of all of their games.

RPG characters are different. Most RPGs have multiple characters that are popular with the fans due to them being character oriented. The popularity may vary among the fanbase, but the game itself is a representation of all the characters. Add to that the fact that most RPGs don't have direct sequels featuring the same characters.
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Link is CLEARLY stronger than OoT. As odd as it sounds, there are Link fans who are not also OoT fans.
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All I can say is if FFVII had continued the story of Cloud & co. in FFVIII and beyond, I don't think that there would be a character that could even scratch him, Link included. Indeed, after the volley of FF7 spinoffs that Squeenix is throwing at us in the future, we may see him become more dominant than Link.
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From: Vlado | Posted: 8/12/2005 12:24:40 PM | #255
Link is CLEARLY stronger than OoT. As odd as it sounds, there are Link fans who are not also OoT fans.

Yes, the fanbase seems a bit divided between 2D and 3D.
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Nighmare/Talim/Yoshimitsu/Whoever the most popular Soul Calibur character is

I doubt it. The only fighting character who can place within the top half of the X-Sts in a solid field is Ryu, and Bison is up for debate. If Scorpion failed, I don't think anyone else can do it.
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From: Slowflake | Posted: 8/12/2005 1:28:06 PM | Message Detail
From: Vlado | Posted: 8/12/2005 12:24:40 PM | #255
Link is CLEARLY stronger than OoT. As odd as it sounds, there are Link fans who are not also OoT fans.

Yes, the fanbase seems a bit divided between 2D and 3D.

Valid enough...
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Would Guilty Gear characters be very weak fodder (Luca Blight) or would they have some strength like CATS?

I can't see Guilty Gear characters as being nothing less than the absolute worst of fodder. GG isn't even mainstream fighting game, but the ambrosia of the most hardcore of the hardcore. I can see them being a hair above Luca, and I can even see Bridget garnering a lot of board support and joke votes, but other than that...nada.
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That should be 'nothing more than the absolute worst of fodder'. Dang, I'm off today.
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All I can say is if FFVII had continued the story of Cloud & co. in FFVIII and beyond, I don't think that there would be a character that could even scratch him, Link included. Indeed, after the volley of FF7 spinoffs that Squeenix is throwing at us in the future, we may see him become more dominant than Link.

I agree. And I love it.
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I think Sub-Zero is a lot more popular than Scorpion. As for discrediting new characters and potential strength, I point to Vincent. There have to be other strong characters out there who haven't gotten a decent chance yet.

From: 6thDeus | Posted: 8/12/2005 11:37:23 AM | Message Detail | #242
I don't consider SSBM a traditional fighter

Ugh, fighting game purists.

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Yeah, the people who say that SSBM isn't a fighting game piss me off.

It's just like the people who insist that Metroid Prime is an FPS. It's an adventure game, just like all the other Metroids, goddamnit.
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Oh, no, I think there are strong characters out there yet to be unearthed...it's just that they'll have to be relatively major characters from relatively popular games, as well. I'd like to see what Raiden could do in a contest setting where he wasn't getting SFFed into oblivion by Solid Snake--I doubt he'd be that much of a force, but he has the potential to do well given the right bracket. Captain Falcon could be a decent draw, given that he's the face of F-Zero and a big player in SSBM (sort of the same variable that Ness has). I don't think Sub-Zero would be more popular than Scorpion, as overall he's been stated by the game creators to be less popular than Scorps in the general population--but again, that doesn't mean squat on GameFAQs. There's likely also a slew of FFVII (and FFVIII to an extent) characters just waiting to siphon votes from the popularity of those games.
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Wow, I was expecting Sonic with a lot more percentage....

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I doubt it. The only fighting character who can place within the top half of the X-Sts in a solid field is Ryu, and Bison is up for debate. If Scorpion failed, I don't think anyone else can do it.

Soul Calibur did almost beat Kingdom Hearts in the Game Contest and it performed substantially better than both Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat did. Ryu would do better because he's the main character; Soul Calibur may not have a "main character" which would hurt it's remaining characters, but I think one of them could eke out a top half finish, or at least pretty close.
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If there's a main character in Soul Caliber, it's likely Kilik. However, I think Nightmare could likely do better than him in the contest.
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I still think Serge should get a crack at the contest. Main character from a popular Square RPG in the "modern" era...I'd think he would be a decent mid-carder.
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I can't believe that anyone could suggest that Jin is weaker then Terry Bogard. o_0

Tekken has a massive fanbase from both mainstream and hardcore. I see no reason why the eyecandy of Tekken couldn't be around the level of Scorpion.

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Jin = Scorpion is pushing it. *Really* pushing it. I mean, how much would Sonic be expected to get on Scorpion, anyway?
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We all know Cervantes (spelling?) is the best. >_>;;
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"I see no reason why the eyecandy of Tekken couldn't be around the level of Scorpion.

Wouldn't that put Sonic around the level of link....
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Scorpion would probably be around 34%-35% on Sonic.
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I still think Serge should get a crack at the contest. Main character from a popular Square RPG in the "modern" era...I'd think he would be a decent mid-carder.

It'd be interesting if he got in as a 7th or 8th seed...oppose to Crono's 2nd or 1st seed...Hehehe...
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Well if Knuckles beat a Magus that wasn't overrated, then Sonic could be of Link's level...

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It's just like the people who insist that Metroid Prime is an FPS.

You're right. More often then not, a FPS requires something called skill. Nintendo has never made a skill based game, and Metroid Prime is no exception.
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You're right. More often then not, a FPS requires something called skill. Nintendo has never made a skill based game, and Metroid Prime is no exception.

SMB: The Lost Levels would like to have a word with you.
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Me and the Lost Levels had a discussion back when I was in 3rd grade. I kicked its ass.
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You're right. More often then not, a FPS requires something called skill. Nintendo has never made a skill based game, and Metroid Prime is no exception.

SMB: The Lost Levels would like to have a word with you.

Any topic but this one, fellas.
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There's a difference between saying SSBM isn't a traditional fighter and saying SSBM isn't a fighter. SSBM is a fighter with a different system than many "traditional fighters."
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From: Smurf87 | Posted: 8/12/2005 6:20:57 PM | Message Detail
Well if Knuckles beat a Magus that wasn't overrated, then Sonic could be of Link's level...

If all signs didn't point to Magus being overrated, Sonic could just also only be a little higher, like Crono and Magus would be.
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Any topic but this one, fellas.

Because of course a simple single post reply is absolutely *ghastly* compared to the already ongoing comments of whether SSB:M is a fighting game or Metroid Prime is an FPS, in a topic that is renowned for NEVER straying from its original focus or becoming overtly social!

9_9
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Because of course a simple single post reply is absolutely *ghastly* compared to the already ongoing comments of whether SSB:M is a fighting game or Metroid Prime is an FPS, in a topic that is renowned for NEVER straying from its original focus or becoming overtly social!

9_9

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Take it to another topic, please.
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Take it to another topic, please.

What the hell is wrong with you? I make a single off-topic reply THAT I DIDN'T EVEN BOTHER TO FOLLOW UP ON amidst other similar and ongoing discussions of whether SSB:M is a fighter, or a traditional fighter, or anything like that, and I get crap for it. Again, what the hell is wrong with you?!
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Look, If anything the past couple of days has taught us is we cant let arguments that A) Have no bearing on the contest, B) No bearing on the Stats, or C) Could last longer than 2 posts.

Its small now, but what if he responds. Then you respond. Then we have a 3 page argument on something that has nothing to do with this contest. Friendly/social discussion is fine and wanted. Arguments about things outside of the contest (especially ones that have so little to do with the match going on) need to be cut down on.

Im done arguing this.
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Someone should make a Stats Social Topic so that people from this topic have a place to socialize when they don't want to talk about stats.
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He did respond. I DIDN'T. You want to single me out among all the others, all you succeed in is drawing yet ANOTHER off-topic argument, one that didn't even need to be addressed in the first place. And that isn't even the half of it. I'm through too.
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Ironically, NewLib has started an argument that "A) Have no bearing on the contest, B) No bearing on the Stats, or C) Could last longer than 2 posts."
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just out of curiousity with no SFF what would Vyse get on Sonic? Because at the moment Jin seems like he might be around or maybe alittle below that level.
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From: Adept_Of_Aiur | Posted: 8/12/2005 6:38:12 PM | Message Detail
Someone should make a Stats Social Topic so that people from this topic have a place to socialize when they don't want to talk about stats.

There's a whole board for that. ^_-
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Vyse would get about 26%.
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There's a whole board for that. ^_-

Good point. They should go post in another topic if they want to talk about something else then.
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just out of curiousity with no SFF what would Vyse get on Sonic? Because at the moment Jin seems like he might be around or maybe alittle below that level.

About 26.7% in the unadjusted 2004 stats.
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Yay for numbers!

Luigi would get 60.99% on Vyse.

That's a good conparisan.

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so that would put jin around bomberman unadjusted.
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Do you guys think that Steve Fox could actually do better then Jin? Seeing as everytime I go to play Tekken someone has to pick him. I believe that he's actually pretty popular.
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Okay, Ive played Tekken 1-4 and Tag Team.

Who the **** is Steve Fox?
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I don't consider SSBM a traditional fighter

Ugh, fighting game purists.

He said a traditional fighter, not a fighter at all. If you try to argue that SSBM is a traditional fighter, you're out of your mind.

Back on topic, Sonic isn't doing so hot, but I guess Jin is more popular than I thought. Still, he's not really running away with the day vote that much either.

Based on his current percentage, Jin falls at 17.28% on Link, between Sam Fisher and Conker. Granted, the percentage will likely change quite a bit from now until the end, but that's a lot better than I expected out of Jin. Strangely enough, he's very close to Bogard's estimated 2002 level.
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