Phediuk, like you care if this doesn't bode well for Sonic =p

But seriously, if I'm a Sonic fan I'd be hoping and praying that this all has to do with the recent Tekken 5 release and Sonic's horrible picture. I'm personally stunned here, because I thought for sure that Terry Bogard would be stronger than Jin.

Wouldn't have happened if he hadn't swooped the damn thing when Solarshadow went AWOL, though. Still say it should have gone to Slowflake or Ngamer. >.>

Well in my own defense, I really couldn't give a crap less who makes the topics these days as long as it's a regular of the topic.

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because I thought for sure that Terry Bogard would be stronger than Jin.

...why?
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From: Slowflake | Posted: 8/12/2005 8:46:52 AM | Message Detail | #177
I've taken a one-day hiatus from this topic to cool my head off. That helps. A lot. I suggest you do the same.

Why is everyone acting like the stats topic suddenly sucks ass? It's not like the complaints aren't easily fixable by just being nice >_>

By the way, if there's one thing I can take from Magus's loss, it's that he's the character that wound up giving the middle middle finger to the Xsts. This is admittedly a stupid thing to be happy about, but at least it's something. The question is whether or not he and Knuckles are truly higher than where their unadjusted values place them.

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Don't you mean the adjusted stats? They now can jump off a cliff with spikes at the bottom. You adjusted Magus too much because you didn't think he was that weak (and now you're wrong). They fail. HARD.

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You don't blame us for the adjustments, you blame CJayC for the godawful 2004 bracket. Problem solved.
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As anyone actually said that Magus was more overrated thank Duke yet? What's this about Knuckles? It's Magus that has clearly failed us.
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Tai still blames us for losing that match.
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You don't blame us for the adjustments, you blame CJayC for the godawful 2004 bracket

I blame both. :-)
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I had the X-Stats, but I still had Squall beating Magus. You just have to add in your own dose of common sense (although at the time, I just added it in because I thought it would be one of the 'risks' that could help me win the thing).
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Tai still blames us for losing that match

Wait, you? I could of sworn I said the adjusted stats. I don't think I was hearing what anyone of you were actually saying about this match.

But of course, it was all Magus winning, right? :-\
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Seriously, before the villain contest, we could only base Magus off his match against Link. Fisher and Ganondorf were both newbies at the time, and Ganondorf was SFFed to death in 2004, Luca was new in 2004, and a match against Crono was going to look fishy no matter what happened. The only real evidence we had was Fisher completely dropping the ball against GF and Samus, and Kefka/Wesker, which was blamed on the Angel Kefka pic.

Which, by the way, more or less favors the idea that Mithos > Lloyd. OUCH.
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I would find Mithos > Lloyd difficult to believe, regardless of what the stats say.
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So do I. But then again, Crono >>>>>> Magus is ridiculously difficult to swallow as well, and look.
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The villains contest was over half fodder, which doesn't bode well for reliable stats. And then the other half is ****ed over by the unreliability of Kefka, the Diablo factor, and the fact that Bowser and Ganondorf cracked 40% on Sephiroth while Liquid was absolutely murdered.

I think we can twist it all we like, but I'm starting to see Link and Sephiroth as more and more unreliable indicators of gauging a character's strength relative to the other competitors in the field.
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Which, by the way, more or less favors the idea that Mithos > Lloyd. OUCH.

Ouchy. I'm not buying that. I don't see how people can dislike Lloyd and like Mithos. That's just plain wrong.
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Wow, Sonic sure fell from last night. I'm not impressed with this performance by any means. Getting back up to 79-80% is going to be one hell of a job.

And Lloyd > Mithos by common sense.
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From: Slowflake | Posted: 8/12/2005 3:41:49 PM | Message Detail
So do I. But then again, Crono >>>>>> Magus is ridiculously difficult to swallow as well, and look.

Nothing near as hard as... *shudder* ...Dare I say it, M-Mithos > Lloyd.
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About Squall Vs. Knuckles, I'm reminded of something from Ulti's Post-2002 Contest Analysis:

Ulti: Tails was seen as the biggest threat towards Duke making the Sweet Sixteen, and once he was beaten, Duke was pretty much the favorite.

Someone Else: But if Tails was the main threat, and Alucard beat Tails, wouldn't that mean Alucard was the main threat?

Ulti: Hey I'm just stating what board sentiment was at the time.

Amazing Telephone: I remember board sentiment being that Iori was a man actually.*

Just thought it was something to think about.

*Completely irrelevant, and I didn't quote the part that it referenced, but I absolutely loved that comment.
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Why is Crono being so far over Magus so hard to swallow? The hero/villain relationship has always been more or less a drastic one (Lavos being an even better example), and I've always been of the opinion Crono gets more of a boost than he should due to the 'DBZ' factor.

The thing is, I'm not sure there was any SFF at all in 2004, or if there was it could have actually favored Crono. Cloud and Sephy can't SFF each other, right? Or am I misremembering things?
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or if there was it could have actually favored Crono

That should be Magus.
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Why is Crono being so far over Magus so hard to swallow?

Anyone who actually played Chrono Trigger could tell you.
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Anyone who actually played Chrono Trigger could tell you.

The 'likeability' of a character, much less their depth or even relevance, does not translate into popularity. Hell, why is Mario so far over Luigi? Why is Sonic so far over Knuckles?
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Hell, why is Mario so far over Luigi?

Because Nintendo want us to dislike Luigi. Haven't you seen his fihgting style in SSBM?
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Whoa, I just noticed that on the Top 50, there's only ONE person with Samus winning.

Looks like Mario's the clear favorite, just like in 2002. o_O
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The thing is the more popular of the 2 characters almost always gets the SFF advantage. That's why everyone assumes that Magus would do better against an equal caliber opponent form a different game than against Crono.
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The thing is the more popular of the 2 characters almost always gets the SFF advantage. That's why everyone assumes that Magus would do better against an equal caliber opponent form a different game than against Crono.

I know, but then, wouldn't Cloud SFF Sephiroth into oblivion by that appraisement?
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Woah, Sonic is gaining % like crazy! I think he can end up with around 78%, which is good considering the sad fact that Jin>Terry.
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From: Phediuk | Posted: 8/12/2005 10:57:40 AM | #225
Whoa, I just noticed that on the Top 50, there's only ONE person with Samus winning.

Looks like Mario's the clear favorite, just like in 2002. o_O

Don't you worry. Samus pulled 40%+ on Cloud without any bracket support whatsoever.
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Speaking of one in the top 50, how about the one who picked Magus to win it all?

Has anyone ever made the leaderboard with their champ gone in the first round before?
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Has anyone ever made the leaderboard with their champ gone in the first round before

I knew there was one guy who had Protoman winning it all and he was in the top 5 until Protoman lost. Another one had Gordon Freeman winning it all but also had Hk-47 over Sora if I remember it right.
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Hm. Yeah, I chalk this performance up to the recent release of Tekken 5, and the fact that Tekken in general isn't complete fodder. Come on people it was the top 3D fighter of the past generation. Do you expect its fans to simply NOT exsist?
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Squall failed to triple Geno, and Sonic is barely tripling Jin? What's happening?

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Soul Calibur > Tekken

And with that said I still can't understand why no SC characters have never made it in. With SC almost surprising KH in the Spring Contest I would've thought someone would have made it in 2k4. But honestly I believe say Nightmare or Ivy would perform better than Jin or Kazuya.
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I could have sworn that the Soul Calibur series was the #1 3D fighting series.

Looks like Mario's the clear favorite, just like in 2002. o_O

Samus is an example of Board 8 versus the casuals. To most of us, Samus is the statistical favorite. To the casuals, I almost guarantee that it's Mario due to most people looking at Mario vs Samus and thinking that there's no way in hell Samus can win.

Don't you worry. Samus pulled 40%+ on Cloud without any bracket support whatsoever.

Don't you worry. Mario pulled 50%+ on Cloud despite all common sense saying that he should have lost =p

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Yoshimitsu and Hehaichi have been in both.

I tend to agree with creativename in pictures and appeal making a bigger difference than many people think, and to that end, Nightmare would probably be the strongest character from Soul Calibur other than Link.

And by the way, EarthBound is so damned awesome.

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Soul Calibur > Tekken

Soul Calibur II is the best selling fighter this gen, but Tekken completely dominated on the PS2, and is an easy second this gen. And although it hasn't touched base here, there IS hype for the upcoming Tekken 6 on PS3.
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Soul Calibur II is the best selling fighter this gen

Even higher than SSBM? o_O

Oh right, SC was on all three consoles. Makes sense.

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I tend to agree with creativename in pictures and appeal making a bigger difference than many people think, and to that end, Nightmare would probably be the strongest character from Soul Calibur other than Link.

If that's the case, maybe Ivy & Taki could do pretty well themselves. If you've ever seen SC2's artwork, then I don't have to say another word! :)

I don't consider SSBM a traditional fighter, but if I'd included it, it would be the top dog, even when you combine the sales figures for all three systems.
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Would you guys say there's more characters that are stronger than the game(s) they're from, or more characters that are weaker than the game(s) they're from?
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Well, it depends on the standards you use. I dunno, would Cloud = FF7 be appropriate?
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I tried to tell you guys that Jin would be decent fodder a few months back, and only HaRRicH would listen to me. Seriously, whenever I see people playing Tekken at college, half the time they're using Jin.

I wonder how Yoshimitsu would do...
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If that's the case, maybe Ivy & Taki could do pretty well themselves. If you've ever seen SC2's artwork, then I don't have to say another word! :)

Definately TJF at its best. So with SCIII coming out this year do you think SC characters will make the next contest?
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I tried to tell you guys that Jin would be decent fodder a few months back, and only HaRRicH would listen to me.

Damn straight...though I didn't figure Jin would be doin' as good as he is right now. The more Sonic takes the day-vote, the better I feel 'bout my original thoughts on him.


I stand by Yoshimitsu gettin' in. I'd probably put him on the level of Scorpion, myself.
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Well, it depends on the standards you use. I dunno, would Cloud = FF7 be appropriate?

Cloud = FF7 would mean Link > OoT then...that strikes me as odd seeing most like Zelda for the game, not Link himself...
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Well, it depends on the standards you use. I dunno, would Cloud = FF7 be appropriate?

Probably, if this doesn't include the KH factor. Of course, I was thinking Crono = CT, but it's probably not that much different from Cloud = FF7.
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So with SCIII coming out this year do you think SC characters will make the next contest?

I hope so. I've been nomming Nightmare every year now. Maybe I should try one of those organized board rallies or something.

But NOW I have to worry about getting the massses to get Shadow back in.

And about this match, Sonic has passed 76%.
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