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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 200
From: Sir Bormun | Posted: 8/12/2005 1:10:03 AM | Message Detail
This isn't looking good. Only DK/Sam had fewer votes after one hour.

That doesn't tell us anything yet. All that says is that there are very few people who are staying up late to see this match.

I can't blame em.
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From: Sir Bormun | Posted: 8/12/2005 1:13:40 AM | Message Detail
And Sonic's a historically abysmal vote drawer anyway, isn't he? I suppose it's nothing out of the ordinary.
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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 8/12/2005 1:17:14 AM | Message Detail
I dunno if he's that bad at drawing votes. He's not that great at it, I guess.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
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From: Lopen | Posted: 8/12/2005 1:18:49 AM | Message Detail
Lovin Jin's tear into the %age. I hope he starts the day vote un-tripled.
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From: BeTheMan | Posted: 8/12/2005 1:22:00 AM | Message Detail
Yeesh...Jin's putting up far too many 30% updates for my liking.
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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 8/12/2005 1:29:57 AM | Message Detail
Hopefully Sonic will have turned this around by the time I wake up.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (2) Squall Leonhart 74412 (74.84%), (7) Geno 25022 (25.16%)
From: Mumei | Posted: 8/12/2005 1:58:26 AM | Message Detail
Er... Does Sonic's percentage always go down like this during the night?

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From: yoblazer33 | Posted: 8/12/2005 2:05:23 AM | Message Detail
Er... Does Sonic's percentage always go down like this during the night?

Two hours into the match against Terry Bogard, Sonic had 76.68% of the vote. He finished with 80.84%, so whether or not he can reach the quadrupling today will depend on how badly Jin collapses during the day vote. Regardless, Sonic's performance is not impressing me thus far.
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From: Mumei | Posted: 8/12/2005 2:09:23 AM | Message Detail
... Well, I'm actually hoping he further collapses. Sonic fanboys have this wonderful ability to annoy me.

Mostly because of the "Hyper Sonic can beat anyone" and then going on a rant about it. >.>

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From: Dranze | Posted: 8/12/2005 2:10:32 AM | Message Detail
He needs rings to be hyper sonic, he's not invisible
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From: rpgapzx | Posted: 8/12/2005 2:10:33 AM | Message Detail
I dunno if he's that bad at drawing votes. He's not that great at it, I guess.

You migt not have been around for it. We established in the last topic that Sonic is I think 1 of 2 of the elite characters who have yet to draw 75k votes. Admittedly, this tells us nothing about his ability to draw votes in closer matches.
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From: igota75 | Posted: 8/12/2005 2:10:51 AM | Message Detail
I've been crunching, and found a few interesting things to throw out for general consumption, along with a few comments.

For CJ to finish higher than Joanna in their 4 pack, Ness must score higher than 21.29%. I myself believe that Ness can easily do this, as Mario has typically had trouble scoring big wins, and even with potential SSB SFF won't get close to quadding Ness.

For Wesker to finish higher than Ryu Hayabusa, Lloyd must crack 40.83%. I have no idea what will happen here, but I'd imagine Wesker/Ryu H./Jill to all end up in the same area. Wesker/Jill being similar in terms of strength is interesting, and adds intrigue to how Leon will perform.

I know Alucard/Sora is up in the air, but anyway for Kratos to finish higher than 47, Alucard has to score higher than 32.9%. Shouldn't be a problem.

If Ryu doesn't collapse against Bowser (which is a longshot but we all remember CJ and Knux), and scores higher than 38.5%, Rikku will finish above Chun-Li. I've said it before, I'm impressed by Rikku in this contest.

Does anyone see DK getting above 44.23% on Chief? I can't bring myself to be that optimistic, meaning Sam has no chance to survive make his time. CATS may not be the weakest of his 4-pack this year...

I can't tell whether Vincent is strong or Kerrigan is weak, but regardless Dante scoring higher than 36.84 will give Terra the edge over the Queen of Blades.

Finally, if Squall can triple Knuckles (higher than 74.4 to be exact), Geno will be above Magus. It won't happen, but it's fun to imagine.

Without major upsets, these characters are stuck at the bottom of their 4-packs:
Yuri
Big Boss
Manny

Cecil has a slight chance depending on how well Kirby performs. If Kirby can beat Tidus with more than 54.86%, then Cecil will oust King. Any less and Cecil loses. :-(

In a lighter note, why don't we credit Knux' win to the rare SHF? Same Hairstyle Factor could be a big deal in the later rounds, and even tomorrow during Kratos/Diablo....:-p

Take Care.
From: Mumei | Posted: 8/12/2005 2:12:50 AM | Message Detail
And something somewhat interesting from his match against Samus....

"Updates Left: 96
Samus's % last update: 60.47%

"Updates Left: 95
Samus's % last update: 57.80%

"Updates Left: 94
Total Votes so far: 1827"

"Updates Left: 93
Samus's % last update: 59.26%

"Updates Left: 76
Samus's % last update: 53.77%

"Updates Left: 75
Samus's % last update: 57.40%

"Updates Left: 74
Samus's % last update: 58.97%

"Updates Left: 73
Samus's % last update: 60.79%

"Updates Left: 46
Samus's % last update: 59.37%

"Updates Left: 45
Samus's % last update: 55.93%

"Updates Left: 44
Samus's % last update: 56.68%

"Updates Left: 43
Samus's % last update: 55.82%

... >_>

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From: Mumei | Posted: 8/12/2005 2:13:46 AM | Message Detail
He needs rings to be hyper sonic, he's not invisible

... You meant invincible, right? Unless he's somehow invisible, too.

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From: Dranze | Posted: 8/12/2005 2:15:37 AM | Message Detail
Er, yeah, stupid me.
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From: Mumei | Posted: 8/12/2005 2:16:21 AM | Message Detail
For CJ to finish higher than Joanna in their 4 pack, Ness must score higher than 21.29%. I myself believe that Ness can easily do this, as Mario has typically had trouble scoring big wins, and even with potential SSB SFF won't get close to quadding Ness.

Considering what he managed on DK, who I'm reasonably certain is slightly stronger, I'm not so sure about that.

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From: Zylo the wolf | Posted: 8/12/2005 2:17:28 AM | Message Detail
I knew this would happen. At least the day vote will make Sonic at least triple Jin Kazama. >_>
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From: Dranze | Posted: 8/12/2005 2:18:41 AM | Message Detail
Bowser got 75% on Ness through SFF, 80% isn't hard.
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From: yoblazer33 | Posted: 8/12/2005 2:19:23 AM | Message Detail
Good stuff all around, igota.

For CJ to finish higher than Joanna in their 4 pack, Ness must score higher than 21.29%. I myself believe that Ness can easily do this, as Mario has typically had trouble scoring big wins, and even with potential SSB SFF won't get close to quadding Ness.

That reputation has long plagued Mario, but there's no doubt it doesn't come into effect when he's up against the weaker Nintendo characters. In the past, he's held Captain Olimar to under 12% and Donkey Kong to a paltry 18%. He shouldn't have much trouble quadrupling Ness.
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From: Lopen | Posted: 8/12/2005 2:21:23 AM | Message Detail
If Ryu doesn't collapse against Bowser (which is a longshot but we all remember CJ and Knux), and scores higher than 38.5%

Which is a longshot? What the hell? If Ryu fails to break 45% something's severely awry... considering he got that against Sonic last year.
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From: igota75 | Posted: 8/12/2005 2:26:18 AM | Message Detail
Lopen, I had meant that Ryu collapsing was a long shot, not the opposite. Granted I didn't word it very well at all...

But yes I agree that Ryu/Bowser will be close. Hell, I took the most time in my bracket deciding that match alone.
From: Team Rocket Elite | Posted: 8/12/2005 2:27:56 AM | Message Detail
For CJ to finish higher than Joanna in their 4 pack, Ness must score higher than 21.29%. I myself believe that Ness can easily do this, as Mario has typically had trouble scoring big wins, and even with potential SSB SFF won't get close to quadding Ness.

Mario having trouble with blowouts is a misconception. The only two matches that seem like they should have been blowouts but weren't were against Morrigan and Servbot. Neither of them have been in the contest since so we don't know how strong they are supposed to be. I do think Ness will manage to get over 21.29%, but just barely.

For Wesker to finish higher than Ryu Hayabusa, Lloyd must crack 40.83%. I have no idea what will happen here, but I'd imagine Wesker/Ryu H./Jill to all end up in the same area. Wesker/Jill being similar in terms of strength is interesting, and adds intrigue to how Leon will perform.

I don't think Wesker will be that strong. His two matches in the spring contest suggest that he's a lot weaker.

Does anyone see DK getting above 44.23% on Chief? I can't bring myself to be that optimistic, meaning Sam has no chance to survive make his time. CATS may not be the weakest of his 4-pack this year...

Donkey Kong seems to be on the very border for making that number. I can see him making it though. Even if he doesn't, this wouldn't be the first time CATS wasn't the weakest in his 4 pack. Giygas was weaker in the Spring Contest.
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From: Dranze | Posted: 8/12/2005 2:30:25 AM | Message Detail
I expect DK to break 45% easily.

What's funny is how people said DK isn't on par with Magus as people said, but it's funny because he almost is right about now..
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From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 8/12/2005 3:57:55 AM | Message Detail
With what we've seen so far I count it as a possibility that DK may win his match against MC, for whatever ungodly reason.
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From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 8/12/2005 3:57:55 AM | Message Detail
With what we've seen so far I count it as a possibility that DK may win his match against MC, for whatever ungodly reason.
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From: cyko | Posted: 8/12/2005 4:41:27 AM | Message Detail
hmph. well, i definitely expected Terry to be stronger than Jin, but he has pushed Sonic near 74%. as much of a beast with the day vote Sonic can be, i don't think he's breaking 80%. although, Tekken has always been much more mainstream than Fatal Fury or anything SNK has ever done. SNK has always appealed to a smaller, more hardcore fanbase. but still, on GameFAQS, i always thought Fatal Fury was a little more popular. was there ever a "favorite fighting series" poll? i seem to remember one, but i couldn't find it.

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From: Slowflake | Posted: 8/12/2005 5:46:52 AM | Message Detail
I've taken a one-day hiatus from this topic to cool my head off. That helps. A lot. I suggest you do the same.

Now, Sonic's strong with the day vote, yeah sure, but he's still crapping the bed big time here. I expected him to do as well as with Terry... guess not.
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From: Phoenix HA | Posted: 8/12/2005 5:49:10 AM | Message Detail
I'm pretty sure that Jin would beat Terry (And on a similar note, I seriously doubt Sonic is gonna break 80%).
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From: Who Cares? | Posted: 8/12/2005 5:58:44 AM | Message Detail
I'm pretty sure that Jin would beat Terry (And on a similar note, I seriously doubt Sonic is gonna break 80%).

Yep, the closer this match got, I just started to think, 'Why the did heck would Jin be weaker than Terry?' Tekken's far more mainstream than Fatal Fury & KoF ever was or will be, and the fact that he managed to make the field with no help from the board whatsoever had to show Tekken still has a fanbase somewhere on this site.

I thought Jin would barely escape a quading, and right now it looks like he'll do it without much trouble.
From: Zylo the wolf | Posted: 8/12/2005 5:59:19 AM | Message Detail
Jin would sadly beat Terry better than what Aya Brea did :(

I did expect Jin to be much stronger than Terry, but the fact that Tekken is popular at all on this site is just sad.
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From: Slowflake | Posted: 8/12/2005 6:00:30 AM | Message Detail
And where would you put Kazuya in there, for kicks?
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From: Who Cares? | Posted: 8/12/2005 6:04:41 AM | Message Detail
I think Kazuya would probably be 2-4% worse than what Jin is doing. If I understand the Tekken fanbase, Heihachi is probably the only other guy that could be doing better right now.
From: jonthomson | Posted: 8/12/2005 6:06:06 AM | Message Detail
Only 22 perfects left, and nine of them are favourites brackets by the looks of things. I guess we'll be down to single figures by the end of the round, easily, and they'll all be gone by the time we get past Bowser/Ryu. We'll probably lose a couple tomorrow, at least, Luigi's match could cause trip ups, some of them might have put Freeman for no good reason whatsoever, and Pac-Man has some upset potential and could easily have support.

Do we actually know what any of the serious brackets look like?

Of course, an upset of even half the surprisingness of Magus/Knuckles will kill most of the perfects straight away.

Today? Sonic's heading back towards the tripling, which would put Jin below Terry if I've worked it out right. No surprises there.

As an aside, who's running the site that has the live update archives?
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From: Ed_Bellis | Posted: 8/12/2005 6:18:45 AM | Message Detail
This may have been asked already, but does anyone see DK over Master Chief a viable upset after seeing both of their first-round matches? Chief struggled to break 70% on CATS, of all people, while DK absolutely demolished Sam. I know it's a longshot, but is it really out of question to see this upset?
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From: Ngamer64 | Posted: 8/12/2005 6:21:13 AM | Message Detail
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From: jonthomson | Posted: 8/12/2005 6:22:27 AM | Message Detail
From: Ed_Bellis | Posted: 8/12/2005 2:18:45 PM | #184
This may have been asked already, but does anyone see DK over Master Chief a viable upset

It's not out of the question by any means. Samus/Frog will give us more of an idea as we can use that to work out just how much MC is overrated by in the stats. I'm still taking MC at this point, but DK has a shot at the very least. I'm guessing 54-46 at the moment.
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From: Slowflake | Posted: 8/12/2005 6:25:48 AM | Message Detail
DK disappointed against Sam, though. Master Chief still has it in the bag... he'd need to be far below his 2003 level for DK to have any chance.
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From: Ed_Bellis | Posted: 8/12/2005 6:28:42 AM | Message Detail
DK disappointed against Sam, though.

Interesting. What was he projected to get on Sam?
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From: Mac Arrowny | Posted: 8/12/2005 6:30:13 AM | Message Detail
DK disappointed against Sam, though. Master Chief still has it in the bag... he'd need to be far below his 2003 level for DK to have any chance.

Eh, Sam might have increased from Chaos Theory. I'm not saying it's likely, but it's certainly possible, since Dante did it with DMC2.
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From: Phoenix HA | Posted: 8/12/2005 6:32:23 AM | Message Detail
Yea, at this point I still see MC over DK...probably 53-47ish.
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From: Mac Arrowny | Posted: 8/12/2005 6:41:02 AM | Message Detail
2k3 DK was projected to go 69-31 on 2k4 Sam.
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From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 8/12/2005 6:43:28 AM | Message Detail
More people underestimating another casual character from a recently released game. I guess you guys thought if Tanner can be as weak as Tanner, then everyone can be as weak as Tanner. >_>;;
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From: Weird Kirby Dude11 | Posted: 8/12/2005 6:45:40 AM | Message Detail
I'm actually surprised Sonic isn't beating him 80-20

Of course, Sonic usually has the day vote by far.
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From: Phediuk | Posted: 8/12/2005 6:52:19 AM | Message Detail
WTF? Only 75% against Jin?

Umm, yeah, this doesn't bode well for Sonic.
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From: Yesmar | Posted: 8/12/2005 6:53:20 AM | Message Detail
I'm not that worried about Sonic right now. Jin is probably significantly more popular than Terry, plus Sonic should increase with the day vote.
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From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 8/12/2005 7:00:33 AM | Message Detail
Why were people thinking that Jin would be weaker than Terry? Do they really think KoF > Tekken?

Jin has really been the mainstay of the series throughout the 5 installations, superceded only by Heihachi. And Heihachi has an...image problem.
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From: Heroic Knuckles | Posted: 8/12/2005 7:06:17 AM | Message Detail
How are the vote totals compared to other matches? They look low right now.
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From: kungfu chicken | Posted: 8/12/2005 7:07:59 AM | Message Detail
tekken is a huge game, sonic is doing about what i expected.
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From: Prometheus321 | Posted: 8/12/2005 7:11:33 AM | Message Detail
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