I hope next year is a Game Contest, personally. But, I'll nominate Wario and Strider Hiryu.

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And Tidus' performance against KoaC doesn't speak too well about that either.

No, that proves that MM should have been adjusted MORE. >_>

KING FOR THE WIN.

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potential Nomination Rally candidates:

Nightmare
another FF6 rep (Shadow, Mog, Locke, Celes, Edgar, Sabin)
Aeris (bleh....)
Shadow the Hedgehog (double bleh.....)

I'd help with Nightmare and Aeris, as well as one or two from FF VI.
I'll help with Shadow too if I have any spare nominations.

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If Clinkeroth returns to the main bracket next year, I say only keep Cloud, Seph, and whoever's stronger between Tifa, Aeris and Vincent. Same for FF10: keep only the three strongest, which means Yuna would have to be ejected.

And while we're on the subject of Leonhart's rallying, I'd like to attempt pulling a Shake and getting an obscure PC character in the contest. How would I get around to doing that?
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I know I'm nominating Locke next year.

LOCKE FOR SC2K6. BOOK IT.
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I hope next year is a Game Contest, personally. But, I'll nominate Wario and Strider Hiryu.

No, let LoZ:TP settle down for a year and gain some fanbase, then see if it can topple FF VII.

I'd rather have a "Best.Female.Char.Contest" for next Spring.

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I'd rather have a "Best.Female.Char.Contest" for next Spring.

Y HALO THAR SAMUS.

But seriously... other than the winner, and the few characters we know would perform well, it would be intresting to see. At least a change from this contest. I love it and all, but it is getting a bit old.

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If Clinkeroth returns to the main bracket next year, I say only keep Cloud, Seph, and whoever's stronger between Tifa, Aeris and Vincent. Same for FF10: keep only the three strongest, which means Yuna would have to be ejected.

I hope Clinkeroth (and any future champs) stay in the ToC for good.
They make too many matches too predictable.

I'd say eject Tidus, he's the one who has been dissappointing us the whole time.

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I agree with the ToC, but it's gonna get to the point where we're so fodderific it isn't even funny.

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I wouldn't mind having another entrant from Final Fantasy VII -- hell, I'd be happy with all of them in the contest for pure strength purposes, but no one will agree with me on that.

But if there's support for another FFVII character I would have to put it behind Red XIII. I would imagine him being a little under Aeris, but clearly above any sort of fodder. I'm also a fan of getting Laguna into the contest to see how he would perform.

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I agree with the ToC, but it's gonna get to the point where we're so fodderific it isn't even funny.

You mean like in 2k2? <_____________<
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I agree with the ToC, but it's gonna get to the point where we're so fodderific it isn't even funny.

Well, we can eject the "weakest" former champ back into the main bracket once ToC hit 8 or so.

But it would be funny if the ToC became the "real" contest, and the main bracket is just a filtering run.

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I'd say eject Tidus, he's the one who has been dissappointing us the whole time.

Until otherwise noted, he's still the second strongest of the FF10 cast, and should stay in. If anyone's getting the boot it should be Yuna.

I hope Clinkeroth (and any future champs) stay in the ToC for good.

...no. I hope it's a one-time thing. We will already have enough of two paper champions, any more and it's just going to be pointless.
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No, let LoZ:TP settle down for a year and gain some fanbase, then see if it can topple FF VII.

Then Square busts out a FFVII remake. =p

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...no. I hope it's a one-time thing. We will already have enough of two paper champions, any more and it's just going to be pointless.

I agree that Seph doesn't belong in there yet, but if you limit ToC contestants to 4 or 8, it would still make some sense.

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Well, we can eject the "weakest" former champ back into the main bracket once ToC hit 8 or so.

I actually kinda like that.

But I would still love a 64 character contest (31 matches unfortunately) in a tag team style bracket. 1 seed & 16 seed as partners. And so on, so that instead of your usual first round opponent, they would be your partner. It could be crazy, fun as hell, you could throw every stat out the window, and it would make a nice Spring Contest due to the length of it. I would say make it 63 matches, but with 128 characters, well, fodder ahoy.

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Btw, Slow, about your sig:

"You can't have gone over a kilometer up. 1500 meters, tops." -Samus Aran

Did Samus really said that in game?
Or did a user named Samus Aran said it?

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*say.

>_>

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I'll be nominating Nightmare, Aeris and Shadow. As for FF6, i'll probably either nominate Celes or Locke (whoever the board decides to support). I'd also like to see Rikku return as she's proven she's got some power in her.
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With regards to release time factor, many argue that it had a large effect on the results for the Spring 2004 contest. See: SMW vs. Sonic 2, FFVII vs. MGS, OoT vs. Goldeneye, etc. Although I suppose that's more "same generation" factor.

But here we go:
Seph himself, MM, Mario, SS, Vercetti, Dante, Knux, DK, and Lara.

All of those characters, except Mario, were in Mega Man's division. And since the 2k4 stats assume Mario is constant between 2k3 and 2k4, he can't decrease. I think this is a better argument for a Mega Man overperformance on Seph, WDF-style, because nobody wanted an all-FFVII final.
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I just want a game contest back peroid.

As for nominations:
A fourth Zelda character (Midna or whoever is another big name in the new Zelda game)
Shadow (deserves another shot)
Locke (cause I love him)
Yoshimitsu
Sub-Zero

There is 5 and Im sure Ill nominate someone from the upcoming games...
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Games contests just don't seem as boneriffic as character contests to me for some reason.

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About the Samus quote: web comic.

Oh, and please, don't nominate Shadow if you know what you're doing. Do you think I'd still be here today if it was Shadow upsetting Magus instead of Knuckles?
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Of course, if Tifa triples her opponent, then hello threesome.

"Tifa" and "Threesome" in the same sentence, heh. That's the kind of erotic subtlety I'd expect from MasterMage.

And while we're on the subject of Leonhart's rallying, I'd like to attempt pulling a Shake and getting an obscure PC character in the contest. How would I get around to doing that?

If you want to pull a Shake, just tell everyone that you'll leave the board forever unless a certain character gets in.
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Seifer or Rinoa should be nominated
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Here is a question: Which one of the two "historic" matches do you think will be remembered more: Vercetti/Kefka because of Georgy or Magus/Knuckles because Red > You.
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Magus/Knuckles will be remembered more for its unexpectedness and bracket busting. Kefka/Vercetti will always have an asterisk, but it was a meaningless match other than that.
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magus and knuckles no question.

also please rank the characters i would want to see in a contest as low end fodder, high end fodder, mid card, or possable elitie.

any advance wars CO
Marth or Roy
stranger from strangers wrath
doom marine
soma cruz
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Vercetti/Kefka was the far more interesting match, so I figure that one will be better remembered... or at least more fondly remembered. Nothing that special about Magus/Knuckles aside from an unexpected result.
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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 8/12/2005 8:20:28 PM | #477
Magus/Knuckles will be remembered more for its unexpectedness and bracket busting. Kefka/Vercetti will always have an asterisk, but it was a meaningless match other than that.

What he said. Now, Vercetti's match will go down in history as according to plan, but almost not because of a cheater. But Knuckles... when you say, NOBODY got it right. 0/152 in the BOP, 0/123 in the Gurus, 0/97 in the Oracle. NOBODY got it.
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Marth and Roy a tiny bit above the VFL, the rest utter crap.
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Knuckles over Magus, the day GameFAQs finally chose correctly.

IMO at least >.>

But Barriers, Barriers and more barriers will also be special.

And Marth and Roy would be high-end fodder, the rest low-end.
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I doubt Shadow would beat Magus anyways. Knuckles > Shadow
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I like Knux more than Magus, but that match ****ed things up royally for me, and countless others.
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I would expect Shadow to beat Knuckles because oftentimes, GameFAQs has shown to lack good taste.

Good thing that didn't happen two days ago <3
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I doubt that Shadow would beat Knuckles, regardless of GameFAQs taste. You wouldn't hesitate to say that Magus > Tidus.
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From: Dark115 | Posted: 8/12/2005 8:24:50 PM | #483
I doubt Shadow would beat Magus anyways. Knuckles > Shadow

Shadow outranked Knuckles last year, in spite of being behind the suspicious Megaman/Tidus match.
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I think the Sonic hierarchy here goes...

Sonic >> Shadow > Knuckles >> Tails >>> Robotnik
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I've always had a hell of a time thinking who I would pick between Knuckles/Shadow, regardless of what the stats say. I have a feeling that once Shadow is up against another badass from his own series, being a Sonic clone won't count for much.
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Knux would beat Shadow

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I'm not convinced that Shadow > Knux. And there is definitely room for a few more >>>'s in between Knuckles and Tails, IMO.
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I pray to all that is holy for a Knux win of Shadow.
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All of those characters, except Mario, were in Mega Man's division. And since the 2k4 stats assume Mario is constant between 2k3 and 2k4, he can't decrease. I think this is a better argument for a Mega Man overperformance on Seph, WDF-style, because nobody wanted an all-FFVII final.

The problem with WDF is that MM already dropped between 2k2 and 2k3, if you consider WDF to be true, then MM's drop between 2k2 and 2k3 became unholy.

Seph also dropped between 2k3 and 2k4, despite losing to the exact same opponent in both years, WDF can't even begin to account for that.

Mario's value against Cloud decreased by 1% between 2k3 and 2k4.
And IIRC, 2k4 X-stats assumed a static Cloud (NOT Mario) between 2k3 and 2k4, although I personally doubt that.

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I've always had a hell of a time thinking who I would pick between Knuckles/Shadow, regardless of what the stats say. I have a feeling that once Shadow is up against another badass from his own series, being a Sonic clone won't count for much.

I'd probably take Knuckles, as they have similar appeal, but signs point to Shadow being a bit overrated, and besides, Knuckles is a cooler character. I wouldn't feel right taking Shadow.
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I don't see who in their right mind would vote Shadow over Knuckles
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About the rally, I think we should get in Fox McCloud or Falco Lombardi. Fox got 25% on Cloud in 2002, which puts him around Kirby and Knuckles in the stats. He's also in SSBM and had Starfox: Assault come out. I think he could become a pretty good midcarder.
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The problem with WDF is that MM already dropped between 2k2 and 2k3, if you consider WDF to be true, then MM's drop between 2k2 and 2k3 became unholy.


Huh? WDF reduces his 2k2 strength. That would mean that his drop was far smaller, perhaps nonexistent.

Seph also dropped between 2k3 and 2k4, despite losing to the exact same opponent in both years, WDF can't even begin to account for that.

Yeah, so? Considering the lack of SFF between them, it's perfectly possible for one to drop without affecting the other.

And IIRC, 2k4 X-stats assumed a static Cloud (NOT Mario) between 2k3 and 2k4, although I personally doubt that.


Depends on the stats you use. Some have constant Mario, some have constant Cloud.
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And there is definitely room for a few more >>>'s in between Knuckles and Tails, IMO.

Tails isn't all that weak. Last we saw him, he was getting 43% on Dante. Doesn't sound too bad to me.
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Shadow and Knuckles were virtually tied last year. The gap was smaller than the one between Tidus and Shadow in 2003. I'd take Knux head to head. I'd expect the old school fans to pull through for him.
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