Let's assume for a moment that the SFF is pushing geno back 3% (reasonable enough I think), and that squall finishes with 75%. That would put squall only 2% ahead of geno then expected if geno is slightly ahead of least year's crash.
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Am I supposed to assume from this match that 2k5 Knuckles beats 2k3 Ganondorf, assuming Magus didn't drop and was just overrated?
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And of course, by this match I mean yesterday's match.
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Quick refresh on how strong Crash is:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1731
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2082

And this is assuming Halo 2 did nothing.
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Am I supposed to assume from this match that 2k5 Knuckles beats 2k3 Ganondorf, assuming Magus didn't drop and was just overrated?

Pretty much.
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I'd take Super CATS over many. Don't mess with him, man.
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Pac-Man hasn't had anything special going on for years(at least I don't think he has). Pac-Man still changes like every other character.

Yes he does, and just like Crash, he seems to be falling off the face of the earth.
Hence why I didn't use him as a measuring stick.

Crono is much more "stable" than him.
And everyone else's decrease with respect to him is small enough to be written off as aging.

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Wow. I would have never taken Magus over Knux in 2003 (I was doubting he'd get past Sam Fisher), but I would NEVER have had Ganondorf lose to Knuckles. That's just...unfathomable to me.

I'm thinking Magus dropped a bit or 'overperformed', or just basically had more momentum in 2003. It's hard to see Ganondorf that weak, though I suppose at this rate anything's possible.
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Actually, ignore what I said previously about Crash.
I must have mistook him for somebody else.

Crash looks to be relatively constant from 2k2 to 2k4, so I'll take him over Geno without thinking twice.

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Your theory is needlessly complex. You get the exact same results by holding most characters constant and just rasing a few of them and it's much simpler.
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since it's such a big deal that this topic has become more social

I don't agree with the people flat-out condemning the more social aspect of the topic. So we occasionally act silly. Who gives a crap? The gripe that others have that I agree with is that we tend to act high and mighty. People also don't like the fact that this topic is more mainstream and that you have to read a lot to catch up these days, but I could care less about that. Being upset about a topic series having a lot of posts quickly is stupid.

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He's only constant in 2004 with Master Chief at 30%, and after what we've seen from him and Frog this year, that seems much too high. That's something that's worth considering.

Yeah... I should sleep now too... damn insomnia and oddly addicting board 8...
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Yes, I know if Ganondorf increased it makes more sense--and it's simpler--but it's hard for me to accept that at ANY time Ganondorf could lose to Knuckles. Magus was always the biggest shock to me in 2003, I never understood how he did so well.
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Your theory is needlessly complex. You get the exact same results by holding most characters constant and just rasing a few of them and it's much simpler.

It is, which is why it's not the one used in the stats page.

It's just my personal reference to judge who decreased and who increased.

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It really is a stupid complaint. If you don't feel like "catching up", just... don't catch up. That's what I do, I pretty much read what occurs when I'm here give or take a page and nothing else.

I'm sorry if I repeat stuff as a result... but based on the hell I get for most of what I say, I doubt I do.
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He's only constant in 2004 with Master Chief at 30%, and after what we've seen from him and Frog this year, that seems much too high. That's something that's worth considering.

Yeah... I should sleep now too... damn insomnia and oddly addicting board 8...

Blargh, how could I miss that...

Looks like you're not the only one needing some sleep...

I'd still take Crash though, Geno seems like fodder to me, and I have reasons to think that Squall could've decreased.

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I wonder if Frog will rank ahead of Magus in the stats this year.
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I wonder if Frog will rank ahead of Magus in the stats this year.

He most likely won't, he was just as much of a fluke last year like Magus was 2 years ago.

Samus will expose him next round.

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Well all he theoretically needs is over 31%. I think he can do it.
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I wonder if Frog will rank ahead of Magus in the stats this year.

Even if I doubt it, it's not impossible if Knuckles losses to Squall.
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Well all he theoretically needs is over 31%. I think he can do it.

That's about right, but I have a hunch that he won't even get that much.

Frog's run last year just screamed fluke all over the place.

Hell, he even placed LS and MC ~ SS, a travesty beyond words.

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Geno's been losing percentage pretty steadily...

Any guesses as to when it'll stop?

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Geno's been losing percentage pretty steadily...

Any guesses as to when it'll stop?

Based on previous Squall matches, either when the day vote comes, or it won't stop until the match ends.

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<bump>

Ok, some fun with numbers:

If Kirby 2k3 = Kirby 2k4, then Squall 2k4 = 29.27 on Link 2k3.

If Bomberman 2k3 = Bomberman 2k4, then Squall 2k4 = 27.79 on Link 2k3.

Looks like Dante wouldn't need much of a boost to beat him afterall...

And I'm sure Vincent will beat Squall.

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ugh. i'm still greatly disturbed by yesterday's match.....

Top 10 Closest Matches (difference in percentage)

1) 1.72% - Knuckles over Magus
2) 2.28% - Tommy Vercetti over Kefka
3) 3.34% - Frog over Riku
4) 9.38% - Lloyd Irving over Albert Wesker
5) 10.28% - Ness over Carl Johnson
6) 11.04% - Alucard over Kratos
7) 11.44% - Ryu over Rikku
8) 19.12% - Zelda over Vivi
9) 22.40% - Ganondorf over Yuna
10) 26.00% - Zero over Ryu Hayabusa


Top 10 Smallest Vote Gaps (difference in votes)

1) 1756 - Knuckles over Magus
2) 2245 - Tommy Vercetti over Kefka
3) 3149 - Frog over Riku
4) 7952 - Lloyd Irving over Albert Wesker
5) 10036 - Alucard over Kratos
6) 10237 - Ness over Carl Johnson
7) 12156 - Ryu over Rikku
8) 20023 - Zelda over Vivi
9) 23736 - Zero over Ryu Hayabusa
10) 23973 - Ganondorf over Yuna

Top 10 Biggest Blowouts (difference in percentage)

1) 74.68% - Samus Aran over Yuri Hyuga
2) 68.18% - Solid Snake over Manny Calavera
3) 61.78% - Mario over Joanna Dark
4) 58.00% - Vincent Valentine over Sarah Kerrigan
5) 53.44% - Crono over Zidane
6) 50.42% - Kirby over Cecil
7) 45.08% - Tidus over King of All Cosmos
8) 43.00% - Dante over Terra
9) 42.94% - Auron over Big Boss
10) 41.46% - Sora over Agent 47

Top 10 Biggest Vote Gaps (difference in votes)

1) 63680 - Samus Aran over Yuri Hyuga
2) 62487 - Solid Snake over Manny Calavera
3) 61244 - Mario over Joanna Dark
4) 58142 - Vincent Valentine over Sarah Kerrigan
5) 51944 - Crono over Zidane
6) 45621 - Tidus over King of All Cosmos
7) 45289 - Kirby over Cecil
8) 41727 - Dante over Terra
9) 40639 - Auron over Big Boss
10) 36552 - Sora over Agent 47

Top 10 Most Popular Polls (by vote totals)

1) 106979 - Ganondorf vs. Yuna
2) 106264 - Ryu vs. Rikku
3) 104671 - Vivi vs. Zelda
4) 102062 - Magus vs. Knuckles
5) 101195 - Tidus vs. King of All Cosmos
6) 100496 - Bowser vs. Chun-Li
7) 100258 - Sarah Kerrigan vs. Vincent Valentine
8) 99525 - Ness vs. Carl Johnson
9) 99126 - Mario vs. Joanna Dark
10) 98085 - Kefka vs. Tommy Vercetti

Top 10 Least Popular Polls (by vote totals)

1) 84794 - Lloyd Irving vs. Albert Wesker
2) 85306 - Samus Aran vs. Yuri Hyuga
3) 87141 - Donkey Kong vs. Sam Fisher
4) 88144 - Sora vs. Agent 47
5) 89823 - Kirby vs. Cecil
6) 90928 - Kratos vs. Alucard
7) 91278 - Zero vs. Ryu Hayabusa
8) 91639 - Solid Snake vs. Manny Calavera
9) 94059 - Riku vs. Frog
10) 94468 - Master Cheif vs. CATS

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Top 10 Highest Individual Votes

1) 80185 - Mario
2) 79200 - Vincent Valentine
3) 77063 - Solid Snake
4) 74580 - Crono
5) 74493 - Samus Aran
6) 73408 - Tidus
7) 67639 - Auron
8) 67556 - Kirby
9) 66227 - Bowser
10) 65476 - Ganondorf

Top 10 Lowest Individual Votes

1) 10813 - Yuri Hyuga
2) 14576 - Manny Calavera
3) 18941 - Joanna Dark
4) 21058 - Sarah Kerrigan
5) 22267 - Cecil
6) 22636 - Zidane
7) 25796 - Agent 47
8) 27000 - Big Boss
9) 27652 - Terra
10) 27787 - King of All Cosmos

Top 10 Most Impressive Losers (by votes)

1) 50153 - Magus
2) 47920 - Kefka
3) 47054 - Rikku
4) 45455 - Riku
5) 44644 - Carl Johnson
6) 42324 - Vivi
7) 41503 - Yuna
8) 40446 - Kratos
9) 38421 - Albert Wesker
10) 34269 - Chun-Li

Top 10 Least Impressive Winners (by votes)

1) 46373 - Lloyd Irving
2) 48604 - Frog
3) 50165 - Tommy Vercetti
4) 50482 - Alucard
5) 51909 - Knuckles
6) 54881 - Ness
7) 56433 - Donkey Kong
8) 57507 - Zero
9) 59210 - Ryu
10) 62347 - Zelda

Top 10 Easiest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner)

1) 97.98% - Solid Snake over Manny Calavera
2) 96.76% - Samus Aran over Yuri Hyuga
3) 96.53% - Mario over Joanna Dark
4) 92.20% - Master Cheif over CATS
4) 89.87% - Crono over Zidane
6) 88.33% - Dante over Terra
7) 88.07% - Bowser over Chun-Li
8) 87.53% - Kirby over Cecil
9) 86.55% - Ganondorf over Yuna
10) 85.46% - Tidus over King of All Cosmos

Top 10 Hardest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner)

1) 35.08% - Knuckles over Magus
2) 37.66% - Tommy Vercetti over Kefka
3) 51.31% - Alucard over Kratos
4) 51.90% - Ness over Carl Johnson
5) 53.08% - Frog over Riku
6) 53.88% - Lloyd Irving over Albert Wesker
7) 69.09% - Zero over Ryu Hayabusa
8) 71.08% - Donkey Kong over Sam Fisher
9) 74.98% - Ryu over Rikku
10) 76.81% - Zelda over Vivi

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From: dragoontheguy | Posted: 8/11/2005 10:01:39 AM | #151
Let's assume for a moment that the SFF is pushing geno back 3% (reasonable enough I think)

I don't see any SFF in this match at all. Geno is just that weak.
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Squall may be able to defeat Knuckles, maybe not. But we know that he will be SFF'd into the ground by Vincent if he does make it that far, which is a shame. FF7 is so revered on this site that an optional character with no story unless you find the hidden CS can SFF the main character from FF8 completely. Vincent WAS the best character in FF7, easily, though.

Vincent v Crono: Who ya got?
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From: cyko | Posted: 8/11/2005 12:51:31 PM | Message Detail

Top 10 Highest Individual Votes

1) 80185 - Mario
2) 79200 - Vincent Valentine
3) 77063 - Solid Snake
4) 74580 - Crono
5) 74493 - Samus Aran


Looking good for Vincent. Maybe Mario over Samus, too.
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wow...only 25 perfects now. I bet they mostly Favorites brackets too. Well with everyone having Magus going to the finals and possiably winning, I guess everyones bracket is screwed...oh well.

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I wasn't expectin' Geno to drop THIS much; now, unless Squall has powered up alot or Geno's bein' badly SFF'd, it's almost undeniable that Terra > Geno (you could pprroobbaabbllyy say Terra > Geno > Cecil, really, if you wanted to compare how the SNES RPG characters are doin'). From here, the more Squall kills Geno, the better of a case he can make for himself to win the division.

Despite the killings that Dante, Vincent, and Squall have made this round though, what Knuckles did was far more impressive (if only because it made all of us rethink completely and without choice); here's to hopin' it wasn't Magus droppin' so much as it was Knuckles gaining. Heh, I hope next round is sprites.....
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Well it looks like the day vote is helping geno bring up his percentage after all. Maybe he'll avoid a tripling. Still, he dropped a lot during the night.
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From: assman20 | Posted: 8/11/2005 3:04:46 PM | #179
Squall may be able to defeat Knuckles, maybe not. But we know that he will be SFF'd into the ground by Vincent if he does make it that far... Vincent v Crono: Who ya got?

Crono over Squall. We simply don't know how any SFF would work in Vincent-Squall should they both get that far. Vincent isn't Cloud, and we don't know where Vincent stands. FWIW I think the SFF would go towards the lead character over a supporting character. FF7 is strong, but not invincible.
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Well, Squall is sure making this ugly, and even though he dropped a bit in the last update, the point is made. Geno is....nothing. No surprises today.

Now looking at the Devil Division, it's going to be a great Round 2, and judging by Round 1 performances, I'm saying Vincent > Dante and Knuckles > Squall, with Vincent leaving this division the winner.

I'm just still shocked that Magus missed the party...
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Squall just dropped .11% in one update.
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FWIW I think the SFF would go towards the lead character over a supporting character. FF7 is strong, but not invincible.

Aeris > Sora.
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 8/11/2005 4:34:45 PM | #188
FWIW I think the SFF would go towards the lead character over a supporting character. FF7 is strong, but not invincible.

Aeris > Sora.

Yes, that does have a bit of a hint of SFF about it. I'm not convinced that Squall would suffer like that at all though.
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don't see any SFF in this match at all. Geno is just that weak.

It's not like SFF is something you can visibally notice on a character who has never performed before. It's not that hard to imagine geno being sff'd to make him do 3% weaker then he would indirectly. It's impossible to know at this point of course, but if Geno somehow makes a return I'd take him over crash in a close one.
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I think Cloud should be treated differently from other FF7 characters in this. His mr. square statis that he seems to have in these contests allows him to get SFF in matches that I don't think any other square character save possibly sephiroth would be able to in. Just because he SFF'd squall doesn't mean every other FF7 character would do the same.
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I don't think Squall would suffer t Vincent like Sora did to Aeris, either...yet, at the same time, Squall's lookin' to be around Sora's strength, and there's potentially true theories out about some FF7 characters (namely, Sephiroth) and FF7 itself being able to somewhat-SFF other PSX games/characters, especially the ones in their own part of that era. Then add to it that Vincent could already be stronger than Squall...

...I agree that Squall shouldn't be SFF'd by Vincent like Sora was by Aeris though.
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I don't see why it's such a surprise that Geno is getting killed. He's a very minor character in SMRPG who barely has any lines.

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i sort of disagree there. With out geno the games story would make no sense and be pointless.
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I'm out now (work...damn); if somebody doesn't care to, could somebody inform me on how well Conker's Bad Fur Day sold and Conker: Live And Reloaded is currently selling?
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Conker L&R got a *lot* of love in that "casuals favourite games" list I posted a few days ago. I wouldn't count out a Conker increase tbh.
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I'm thinking my only chance to have any kind of a shot at winning this thing... though I severely doubt that after Mr. Magus, is Knux > Squall, and Dante > Vincent, the latter I actually think will happen though. Then Knux > Dante for the division just because more people will probably have Dante, at least casuals. Even then it'd be a hell of a longshot, but I wonder if that'd make it possible.

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I also find it extremely amusing that we all said how the later rounds were going to be more controversial than the first, and how it was a turn for the best, when it looks like we might not have any perfects after the first round. <3 Ceej taking the time to make a kickass bracket.

*Waves Knux/Snake IV banner*

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I wonder if Frog will rank ahead of Magus in the stats this year.

If the next round is sprites, I can almost guarantee you that he will.
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to reflect the new winner:
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