Geno Boost and Geno Whirl are easily the most fun abilities in that game.

I love Mario/Toadstool/Geno. Of course, I'd prefer a Bowser/Geno/Mallow party if it were possible.

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Squall has gotten 74.66% of the vote in the last 30 minutes, just for curiosity's sake.
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As long as geno avoids getting tripled I'm happy. That way he's easily the strongest new old school square character this year. That's gotta be worth something, even if it isn't worth that much.
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he's easily the strongest new old school square character this year

I don't think a score like that would prove anything for certain. Better wait on that. Terra could probably compete, even on the completely off shot that Squall does beat Dante.
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even on the completely off shot that Squall does beat Dante.

Only if you mean "completely off shot" in the sense of Dante being able to get to Squall to lose to him.
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even on the completely off shot that Squall does beat Dante.

Explain to me why dante should even be considered the favourite if he gets past vincent.
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Heh, Squall is gaining quite nicely right now. I'm off to bed.
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The only reason he wasn't here last year was because of the strict company cap.

Speaking of which:

No Zelda/Yuna/Rikku/Geno/Wario/Serge?

Every character nominated in the top 32 made it in, and I only allowed in the top 10 characters from any one company in order to give the bracket a little more diversity. An all-Nintendo vs. all-Square bracket might please a few people, but it'd just annoy most everybody else.

Look at the order CJayC listed the characters in. Now look at what seeds they got this year. Zelda(5), Yuna(6), Rikku(7), Geno(7), Wario(N/A), Serge(N/A). I just found that kinda interesting. This probably means that the seeding for this contest was done by nomination total for the most part.
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God I love Squall.

With Tidus looking to be out of the running, I wonder if if Squall could make a case for strongest FF character not from FFVII. His only real competition is Auron. And if Squall does beat Vincent, I guess he might be able to make a case for the third strongest FF character out there behind Cloud and Sephiroth, especially if Vincent > Tifa and Aeris as appears to be the most commonly held opinion here. But I'm probably getting ahead of myself. <_<
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Well since it's such a big deal that this topic has become more social at least I have the decency to talk about statistics... to all those who naysayed my on going discussion with Sid.
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Squall is still the clear favorite in a match against Dante.

But Squall underperformed in both of his "legitimate" matches last year, so he could've decreased even further this year.

And if Dante managed to get a significant boost from DMC3, Dante > Squall is a possibility.

Hell, after seeing Knux beat Magus, even Knux > Squall is becoming a slight possibility.

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Looks like Leonhart was right about Rikku bein' mentioned. Obviously, his memory > mine.
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I highly doubt Squall will turn out stronger than Auron. We'll just have to wait until next round, I suppose...

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God I love Squall.

With Tidus looking to be out of the running, I wonder if if Squall could make a case for strongest FF character not from FFVII. His only real competition is Auron. And if Squall does beat Vincent, I guess he might be able to make a case for the third strongest FF character out there behind Cloud and Sephiroth, especially if Vincent > Tifa and Aeris as appears to be the most commonly held opinion here. But I'm probably getting ahead of myself. <_<

Just be aware that Aeris ranks above Squall in both 2k2 and 2k3.
And I'll take her over Squall without thinking twice about it.

So if Squall ends up beating Vincent, it'll be due to Aeris > Vincent, not due to Squall's strength.

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Here we go again... alright, I'll go over this one more time.

Terra's got a nice range of where she could be, anywhere from Ultros to Kefka. Now, people, rightfully so, are discounting the half closer to Kefka, just because that makes Dante absurdly powerful. But, for Dante to not have had a boost, you have to put Terra right next to Ultros. Like right at him.

Excuse me if I think that sounds really stupid, but I think it does. I know there's "expectations" that characters don't always live up to, but there's also "common sense".

If you put Terra = Crash Bandicoot, Dante increases to 33%. That seems a reasonable spot for Terra to me, hell maybe even a bit low. But I won't even try to put her higher than that at fear of being chased out of this topic with pitchforks. But, even if you assume that that's just too high for Terra, Dante still has some elbow room here.

I know I'm basing it all on an unknown, but it's an unknown with a range. And I think that Dante lost a % or two in his final X-Stats rating because of his bad picture against Sonic. Dante may have increased again last year, and it was covered by the bad picture. It's certainly not unheard of. Say just for giggles that Dante was actually at 29.5% last year (losing about 10% of your total strength from a bad picture isn't anything unheard of... signs point to other characters getting worse). A 3.5% increase is significant, but not anything that can't happen, and I think it did.

Yes, it's alot of assumptions. I was actually joking in my post, but I still think Dante > Squall is very viable, and that's why.
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Which is why Squall won't beat Vincent. FF7 cahracters always have the advantage over othre square characters. I mean, hell, look at today's SFF >_>
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So if Squall ends up beating Vincent, it'll be due to Aeris > Vincent, not due to Squall's strength.

Well, yeah, but what if Aeris never makes a contest ever again? <_<

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If you put Terra = Crash Bandicoot, Dante increases to 33%. That seems a reasonable spot for Terra to me, hell maybe even a bit low. But I won't even try to put her higher than that at fear of being chased out of this topic with pitchforks. But, even if you assume that that's just too high for Terra, Dante still has some elbow room here.

Dante with 33% on BL?
You've got to be kidding...

I know I'm basing it all on an unknown, but it's an unknown with a range. And I think that Dante lost a % or two in his final X-Stats rating because of his bad picture against Sonic. Dante may have increased again last year, and it was covered by the bad picture. It's certainly not unheard of. Say just for giggles that Dante was actually at 29.5% last year (losing about 10% of your total strength from a bad picture isn't anything unheard of... signs point to other characters getting worse). A 3.5% increase is significant, but not anything that can't happen, and I think it did.

Luckily, it's only for giggles, because it's certainly ridiculous for him to increase twice from a bad sequel.

Yes, it's alot of assumptions. I was actually joking in my post, but I still think Dante > Squall is very viable, and that's why.

Dante > Squall is somewhat viable, but for reasons related to Squall's decrease, NOT Dante's increase.

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I know there's "expectations" that characters don't always live up to, but there's also "common sense".

Well she also had a very unrecognisable and generic picture, so it's possible that caused her to underperform a few percent. I wouldn't take a guess at how much myself, but I think it had some effect on the matches outcome.
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Characters don't need a new game to increase. Sometimes they just need to stew in what they have, or just randomly increase. Ask Crono all about that.
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"Well, yeah, but what if Aeris never makes a contest ever again? <_<"

That's why we need your help, planeteers!

"Dante with 33% on BL?
You've got to be kidding..."

See the ridiculous thing's I've had to argue against the last few days?
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"Characters don't need a new game to increase. Sometimes they just need to stew in what they have, or just randomly increase. Ask Crono all about that. "

See sid, I told you!
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I mean, hell, look at today's SFF >_>

Sorry, but what does today have to do with FF VII?

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Sorry, but what does today have to do with FF VII?

Sit down, shut up, and agree damn you! It doesn't have to make sense, it makes geno look stronger!
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Terra's got a nice range of where she could be, anywhere from Ultros to Kefka. Now, people, rightfully so, are discounting the half closer to Kefka, just because that makes Dante absurdly powerful. But, for Dante to not have had a boost, you have to put Terra right next to Ultros. Like right at him.

Excuse me if I think that sounds really stupid, but I think it does. I know there's "expectations" that characters don't always live up to, but there's also "common sense".

Terra looks wrong no matter where you put her in that range, so why not let her go under Ultros' ranking? Kefka during his first year, at best, was only a little higher than what Ultros' ranking was.
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Listen, you people can put Terra on the level of Ultros all you want. The way I see it, that's more out of wack than Dante with 33% on BL.

And what do you mean, "see Sid, I told you?". It's true whether you believe it or not, some characters increase and decrease for seemingly no reason. It's called fluctuation in the voting base.
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And what do you mean, "see Sid, I told you?"

I take it you skipped over the argument they had for the last few hours.
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Characters don't need a new game to increase. Sometimes they just need to stew in what they have, or just randomly increase. Ask Crono all about that.

Then let me state my view, it's not Crono increasing, it's everybody else slipping with respect to him.
I believe that most chars decrease over time, with recent ones faster than older ones.
Crono had nothing new in years, so anything that he has left is die-hard fans that won't go away anytime soon.

Note to chichiri : Yeah, I can understand your frustration now.

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"Sorry, but what does today have to do with FF VII?"

It's going to be an on going joke for the remainder fo the match and may or may not have relevance to any other comments. I mean, hell, look at that SSF! >_>
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"Kefka during his first year, at best, was only a little higher than what Ultros' ranking was."

SFF on the level of todays match (okay, so today's mathc has more sff) >_>
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Well I guess he was agreeing with me then? For some reason I doubted that, because I don't think I've seen it happen yet.

I was just assuming in that long conversation they had some talk about "those crazy kids with their stupid theories" or something. I don't know, it was just way too much quoting for me to care to read.
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Then let me state my view, it's not Crono increasing, it's everybody else slipping with respect to him.

That means the exact same thing. All rankings a made relative to each other. It is impossible to determine if the cause is a single character increase or everybody else decreasing proportionaly. The first explaination is simpler and only requires one character to change, so it's more likely to be correct.
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I was just assuming in that long conversation they had some talk about "those crazy kids with their stupid theories" or something. I don't know, it was just way too much quoting for me to care to read.

If you must know, it's just me vs. him, nothing about other people's crazy theories were mentioned.

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I can work with 3D-Terra being right on-par with Sprite-Ultros...but if this were just a battle of names or if they both got their sprites (never heard anything about Ultros in 3D, heh), I take Terra over Ultros without much question.

FINALLY goin' to bed now...Geno or Crash, who wins?
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SFF on the level of todays match (okay, so today's mathc has more sff) >_>

I was baseing it off the match with Pac-Man and assumed that Pac-Man's best ranking(2k2) was the one Kefka fought.
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Geno. Crash is awful.
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I think each character should have whatever game or series they're fromin brackets next to their name(like kratos). That would clear up the confusion a completely unrecognisable pic can create.
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That means the exact same thing. All rankings a made relative to each other. It is impossible to determine if the cause is a single character increase or everybody else decreasing proportionaly. The first explaination is simpler and only requires one character to change, so it's more likely to be correct.

I know, but I like to use a char with the least reason to change as my measuring stick.

Both Link and Cloud had stuff going on for them in recent years, so I don't think either of them would do for a good measuring stick.

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You do realize that by choosing Geno to win that match, Squall rises to absurdly high levels as well if you extrapolate like that. Kinda like the Terra/Dante situation. Heh heh. I'd take Crash after seeing only this match.
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From: dragoontheguy | Posted: 8/11/2005 1:53:42 AM | #137
I think each character should have whatever game or series they're fromin brackets next to their name(like kratos). That would clear up the confusion a completely unrecognisable pic can create.

That would also turn every contest into a Best. Game. Ever. Contest.

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I think each character should have whatever game or series they're fromin brackets next to their name(like kratos). That would clear up the confusion a completely unrecognisable pic can create.

Then you get into the issue of people voting for a character they don't know just because they come from a game they recognize. It already happens now, but I image it would get a lot worse.
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Unless of course Geno stops decreasing like a rock. If Geno keeps around or above 73% I'd actually probably take Geno.
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You do realize that by choosing Geno to win that match, Squall rises to absurdly high levels as well if you extrapolate like that.

My trap, see. =) Either that or people will think Geno is being SFF'd enough to note...or, ya know, could change their minds, too. Any of which is fine with me, but I'd take Crash over Geno from what we're seeing.

I'm goin' to bed now, seriously.
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I wouldn't worry about the extrapolation. All I know on what I would consider to be logical. Besides, there's no proof that this match isn't garnering at least a little SFF.

And frankly, I'm just not that faithful in the power of extrapolation after yesterday. <_<
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You do realize that by choosing Geno to win that match, Squall rises to absurdly high levels as well if you extrapolate like that. Kinda like the Terra/Dante situation. Heh heh. I'd take Crash after seeing only this match.

Well there is probably some SFF in this match. Enough to put geno just over the VFL IMO, althoguh that's obviously pure speculation. I'd take Geno in a close one.

As of now Squall wouldn't need an obscene rise in the stats even without out sff for geno to be ahead of crash. Keep in mind on a static squall geno getting 30% would put him justbehind max payne, and just ahead of crash in the stats.
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I'd take Crash after seeing only this match.

If Crash stayed constant from his last appearance, I'd took him handily.

But IIRC Crash has showed signs of falling off the face of the earth from year to year.

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I know, but I like to use a char with the least reason to change as my measuring stick.

The rankings are relative, it doesn't matter who you use for the measuring stick. You could use Tanner and it would be just as accurate as if you used Base Link.

Both Link and Cloud had stuff going on for them in recent years, so I don't think either of them would do for a good measuring stick.

Pac-Man hasn't had anything special going on for years(at least I don't think he has). Pac-Man still changes like every other character.

You do realize that by choosing Geno to win that match, Squall rises to absurdly high levels as well if you extrapolate like that. Kinda like the Terra/Dante situation. Heh heh. I'd take Crash after seeing only this match.

Only if you assume that Crash hasn't fallen from his postion in 2k4.
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Thinking the 20XX Division as the unadjusted, then the trio of MC/Frog/Liquid Snake being overrated, I Think Geno can handily beat Crash.
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Yeah, that's why I said I'd take Geno if he stops decreasing like a rock. I don't think Crash would manage much more against Squall than Geno is right now, this year. Plus, "common sense" does make me want to think that Geno's probably a little tougher than Crash.
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"If Crash stayed constant from his last appearance, I'd took him handily.

But IIRC Crash has showed signs of falling off the face of the earth from year to year."

Who is this "Crash" you people keep talking about?
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