There was a lot more SFF in Bowser vs. Ness, believe me...more than most SFF matches, in fact.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

"Unless you seriously believe that the SFF between Bowser and Ness is significantly greater than the one between Cloud and Auron."

I do, actually, because the lion's share of Ness fanbase comes from a game he shares with Bowser. Cloud and Auron have overlapping fanbases but 90% of Auron's doesn't come from a game that also has Cloud in it.

"About CJ, I've said it before that we're simply overestimating him, there's nothing more to it."

Yeah, he's no Vercetti, but he does have enough contest strength to show Ness clearly is underestimated in 2k3.
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Now Link, fill up your hearts
So you can shoot your sword with power

Remember when this topic was a place to get away from the flamewars on the board.
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"Remember when this topic was a place to get away from the flamewars on the board."

I've been here pretty much since the begining (missed the first 3 only) and no, I don't. And, what with us all having more experience (and more opinions) with the contest I wouldn't expect us to act less territorial and do less headbutting. As I implied in regards to Yesmar if you aren't the type who can deal with that this isn't the topic for you. We are here to discuss (and therefore debate) stats subject. This leads to arguments, that's just how it is.
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I've been here for a long time too and have had my share of arguements, but the arguements are getting more intense.
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I do, actually, because the lion's share of Ness fanbase comes from a game he shares with Bowser. Cloud and Auron have overlapping fanbases but 90% of Auron's doesn't come from a game that also has Cloud in it.

You're kidding, right?
That's like saying Earthbound never existed.
I can buy up to 50%, but 90% from SSBM...

Btw, I'm sure that at least 70% of those who played FF X has played FF VII beforehand.
There really isn't that much reason to buy an FF game over other RPG's unless you're familiar with the franchise.

Yeah, he's no Vercetti, but he does have enough contest strength to show Ness clearly is underestimated in 2k3.

I do know that Ness is under-rated in 2k3, but the amount by which he got under-rated I won't agree with.

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Again, there are more of us and those of us who have been here a long time have grown more opinionated due to our long experience. Jus tlook at the pace we go at... I remember when our record for fastest topic was 12 days (and had me arguing a lot). Now 12 hours is a joke on a good match. It is more intense, and it won't stop being that way.
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Now Link, fill up your hearts
So you can shoot your sword with power

Ugh, so I was gone all day at a concert, and was hoping that Magus could somehow make a come back so my bracket isn't screwed to all hell.... but then I get home, refresh the poll that I left up, and what do I see? Knux is still solidly in the lead.... Gah...

We should all realize that this is all destiny. Knuckles will never lose in the first round... What a crazy red bastard.

Thanks for killing my -1 bracket, Mr. Echidna.

This is one of the biggest upsets. Ever.


What upsets have been bigger than this?...
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On the basis of pure "shock" value, only Squall/Luigi could top this.
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What upsets have been bigger than this?...

Cloud over Link in 2k3.

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"You're kidding, right?
That's like saying Earthbound never existed."

Look at Giygas... heck, look at Earthbound in the sp2k4 where it does about as well as Shenmue. It exists, but it's worthless outside of actually getting him into the contest. Yes, I said 90, and I still say that it's closer to 90 than 50 even if I was exagerating.

"Btw, I'm sure that at least 70% of those who played FF X has played FF VII beforehand."

But Cloud and Auron aren't in the same game, and that counts.

"I do know that Ness is under-rated in 2k3, but the amount by which he got under-rated I won't agree with."

I know you don't, but Scorpion says that Auron is still underrated in 2k4 so you aren't proving much here, especially since Scorp > Zero > Sonic > Cloud is cleaner than Ness > Bowser will ever be.
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Now Link, fill up your hearts
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Cloud over Link wasn't as much as an upset overall since by the time the match actually happened we had Cloud doubling Sonic so anyone who went into the match not thinking that Cloud was going to win or at least make it a VERY close match was delusional.
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I can imagine Squall/Luigi would be more shocking... granted, I wasn't here in 2k3, but the match was 60/40. Magus is at least keeping it close.
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Yeah, those were huge, but this is one of the biggest first round shock upsets we've seen.
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You're kidding, right?
That's like saying Earthbound never existed.
I can buy up to 50%, but 90% from SSBM...

Btw, I'm sure that at least 70% of those who played FF X has played FF VII beforehand.
There really isn't that much reason to buy an FF game over other RPG's unless you're familiar with the franchise.

Yeah, he's no Vercetti, but he does have enough contest strength to show Ness clearly is underestimated in 2k3.

I do know that Ness is under-rated in 2k3, but the amount by which he got under-rated I won't agree with.

Using Tails to adjust Auron and by using the amount of SFF Ness got I almost perfectly predicted MH's spot (by using base Ganondorf). I also wouldn't think Mario would beat Ness by too much more then Bowser did. The Earthbound fans will vote Ness over anything.
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Topic 199 already has like 80 posts.
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Geno must WIN!!!
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Geno must WIN!!!

Finally you get something right. :p
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Knuckles with 34.88% of the brackets against Magus.
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Given how things have been working, Knuckles with 50.24% of the brackets.
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I'm predicting 30%
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So, not counting Clinkeroth, there are only 9 characters now who have won a match from 2002-2005 (Once MM and Sonic win):

Mario
Samus
Snake
Ryu
Crono
Dante
Knuckles
Sonic
Mega Man

Lots of 2002 snubs have won from 2003-2005 at least once, and there are some who are 3-1 in the four contests (Kirby, Tidus, Alucard).
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28.82% for Knuckles.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

So...

In 6 minutes, Mr Perfecto leaves :(
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Summer 2005 Contest Score : 22/22
Rank : 1/33793 Today: Magus Tomorrow : Squall

Look at Giygas... heck, look at Earthbound in the sp2k4 where it does about as well as Shenmue. It exists, but it's worthless outside of actually getting him into the contest. Yes, I said 90, and I still say that it's closer to 90 than 50 even if I was exagerating.

We'll never agree on this so I'll leave it at that.

But Cloud and Auron aren't in the same game, and that counts.

I think it's the fanbase overlap that counts, look at Cloud vs. Squall, Crono vs. Kefka, etc.

I know you don't, but Scorpion says that Auron is still underrated in 2k4 so you aren't proving much here, especially since Scorp > Zero > Sonic > Cloud is cleaner than Ness > Bowser will ever be.

Wait, I see where you're going with this.
You're trying to justify Auron > Ganon, aren't you?
If that's the case, I quit, I know you won't listen anyway.

I'll just state my stand then, should Auron had "clean" runs in both 2k3 and 2k4, he'll rank higher in 2k3.
I'm sure Seph SFF'ed him somewhat in 2k4, but certainly not as bad as Cloud did in 2k3.

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I hope the prediction percent is low

26.27%
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err

Its 41% Im closest watch!
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Summer 2005 Contest Score : 22/22
Rank : 1/33793 Today: Magus Tomorrow : Squall

Knuckles with 24%. It's not gonna be pretty. Well, it is, but not in that way.
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So from Knuckles' biggest lead Magus has come back by almost 1000 votes. Very good.
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I've been Pwned by KoaC. He really is the king of all cosmos.

How little you know about my rightness. Just stick around a couple years, you'll see.
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Knuckles will have 25% of the brackets... 10 perfects left.
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Knuckles with 48% is my guess. A bold prediction, but I'm confident. >_>
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Squall Leonhart 50% 6
Geno 50% 6
TOTAL VOTES 12
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

Squall Leonhart 53.61% 52
Geno 46.39% 45
TOTAL VOTES 97
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Squall vs. Geno - Bracket: Squall - Vote: Geno (20/23)

35.08.
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Round 1: (0) Voters

Squall Leonhart 53.1% 60
Geno 46.9% 53
TOTAL VOTES 113

Knuckles had 35.08% of the brackets on his side against Magus. I yi yi.....
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Squall Leonhart 52.99% 62
Geno 47.01% 55
TOTAL VOTES 117

Well at least the board loves him.

<3
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Heh...gotta love the board vote.
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Wow 35%! I was closest!

TG PWNED.
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Summer 2005 Contest Score : 22/23
Rank : 1/33793 Today: Magus Tomorrow : Squall

Ok, so I went a little low.... 25 perfects, 35%... That's still bad... Bye bye, -1 bracket.

Squall Leonhart 50% 14
Geno 50% 14
TOTAL VOTES 28

Lol, 50/50!
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Vote for Yoshi
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We've still got 25 perfects left. More than I expected.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

23 25
22 250

Wow.

...Awww, the Freeman guy fell off ;_;

...Only one person on there has Samus, and not even a perfect? O_o
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The King of all Cosmos' route to summer victory:
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Please don't post vote updates here. Those of us here now can see them ourselves; those who come later don't care to see these results. ;(

And if they did, they could just check the page listed in the opening post.
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I'm kinda surprised Geno had the board vote.
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Now I'm in the top 1900 that's 600 more then yesterday.
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That was so awesome seeing Geno in the 40ish percent range. :) I had no idea he had so much board support. Squall sure gained fast, though...

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

I'm kinda surprised Geno had the board vote.

Squall's not as hated as he used to be, but he still gets anti-voted. It's not surprising.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Question: assuming Squall stayed constant, where would 30% for Geno put him?
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

And Geno drops like a rock.

On another note, there's quite a good chance that no one will even get a one. There's only three of them left, presumably all failed zero brackets, and it'd only take one more upset to take those three down (up?) another peg.
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Hail to the Queen of Blades.

I may be right with Geno being at Wario's level, or in other words, around the level of a mid-Nintendo character.
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