Link did nothing. Ask Luigi, ask Squall, ask KOS-MOS.

Yeah, let's ask KOS-MOS. She's one of the few from Samus's part of the bracket not behind a wall of SFF in 2004. That match is projected to go almost exactly as it did in 2003.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

"You're just making stuff up to justify your opinions.
I knew what you meant."

Then where did I come up with the number if I was making it up? Look at cn's 2k4 stats in the second row for Sephiroth, he got 42.4 against 2k4 Link in the stats. The whole idea at the tiem was to bring everything up to speed with current stats because I've never liked using 2k3 Link as the basis of the stats. Never. I had actually proposed the idea of using Mairo and Crono as the basis after 2k3 since they staye dconstant wth eachother but evidence since has pointed to them both being bad choices.

"But not everyone in Seph's half of the bracket would line up to their 2k4 number when you did that, so doing that doesn't make much sense."

But more of them did than before I did that. including, but not limited to: MM, DK, Vercetti, Tidus (and now Magus) and Gordon all being at least closer than before (With M/G/T still being way off, obv.)

"Between your insults and whatnot, how can anyone pay attention to details?"

You're clearly no better, so don't play holier than thou at this point. Anyway, anybody who wants to gain information from this would listen, which apparently you'd rather remain in the dark.

"I call that "bigger fall" a general decrease for Square chars."

You've already proven that you aren't even consistant in your beliefs, so there's little reason to say this but obviously something happened with Alucard/Ganon that made the adjustment insufficient. That by no means says the evidence wasn't still there to speak against Magus being anywhere near that high thanks to Sam Fisher.

"The point is that it's "corrects" are still more often than it's "wrongs"."

Not in close ones. Where it actually counts you're better off not looking at stats.

"I wasn't talking about the LSE that he did back there."

But you clearly implied that someone did do the math and it wasn't you. And. if you knew anything about those stats you're "borrowing" from you'd know that Link's 2k4 value was derived by using the LSE.

"Or Magus and Tidus overperformed about the same against all of their opponents.
As in they're really that strong that year."

Yes, two vaguely related characters falling propotionately while more closely related characters (Crono and Auron respectively) didn't drop at all. I'm not going with that.
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Now Link, fill up your hearts
So you can shoot your sword with power

Basing Luigi and Squall off Yoshi and Kirby obviously give valid results as well.
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You can't have gone over a kilometer up. 1500 meters, tops. -Samus Aran

Link did SFF Samus. Doesn't the fact that she dropped after getting her first game in nearly a decade, and then a year later experienced a crazy gain for no reason set off any alarms?

Note the use of the term more or less. Sure he SFF'd her, but it wasn't by that much. Enough to make 3% weaker in the stats. Based on a static mario he'd need more then that... Which I don't think he's capable of. That's just me though. If mario wins it well be from legitimate strength.
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"Link did SFF Samus. Doesn't the fact that she dropped after getting her first game in nearly a decade, and then a year later experienced a crazy gain for no reason set off any alarms?"

No, because cn has done all the math for everybody and cn doesn't believe that happened so it doesn't ever enter their equation.
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Now Link, fill up your hearts
So you can shoot your sword with power

Again, that means by admitance of your own argument Yuna should have dropped or at best stayed constant to 2k3.

Samus took a while to benefit from a game that was already released in 2k3.
Why can't Yuna?

I'm sorry, but a title that sold over a million in one region needs to be hyped after it is released? I don't think so. So then there's no way Dante got a DMC3 boost, right? And every character from square that was in 2k2 didn't increase due to KH in 2k3, it was jsut coincidence that a million+ selling game came out about the same time that every FF character that appeared in it took a rise.

Just read above.

What excitement? Poeple aren't even talking about the game any more, they haven't talked about it since before the last summer contest except in passing (and even then only speaking badly about it).

Maybe I should say when people start to forget about it.
Can you understand it now?

Wouldn't that statement alone invalidate your own arguments?

If Seph and Squall are the only ones decreasing, then yes.
But Magus, Vivi and Frog also bombed after their first appearance.

So what FFX-2 sold over a million by accident?

It sold that much over time.
By not hyped I mean people wasn't talking all about it unlike Halo 2 or TP.

It wasn't a game that everyone would line up to buy at the moment of release, but they'll buy it when they have spare money.

So any increase it gave Yuna won't be instantaneous.

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"Samus took a while to benefit from a game that was already released in 2k3.
Why can't Yuna?"

See the post imeadiately proceeding yours. Just because cn doesn't believe in Samus being SFF'd by Link means that the math, which you've essentially "stolen", that you use wouldn't account for it.

"Maybe I should say when people start to forget about it.
Can you understand it now?"

People have already started to forget about FFX-2. In fact, this is the most I've heard about it in many, many months. Where's Yuna's drop then? Really, if she's goign to have statistical staying power it'd be due to FFX which is in the top 10 faqs right now, unlike X-2. Why does Tidus weaken due to a game that is still more popular and has been so much longer?

"If Seph and Squall are the only ones decreasing, then yes."

There's no evidence to suggest Seph has dropped at all.

"But Magus, Vivi and Frog also bombed after their first appearance."

No proof that they aren't all overrated in the stats yet.

"It sold that much over time."

Yes, but only a very small fraction of its sales have been in the last year. It sold more before the 2k4 contest than after it by a significant amount.

"By not hyped I mean people wasn't talking all about it unlike Halo 2 or TP."

I'm reading this slowly... trying to understand... do you mean it wasn't as hyped as those two so the fact that it sold a million titles means nothing and its popularity should come at a delay while those two didn't since they had a lot of hype? Worthless speculation without any grounds to base it on.

"It wasn't a game that everyone would line up to buy at the moment of release, but they'll buy it when they have spare money."

Again, it sold way, way more in its first 2 months than the last year for certain.

"So any increase it gave Yuna won't be instantaneous."

Right. Baseless speculation. Wonderful way to build an argument... if you don't care about being right.
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Now Link, fill up your hearts
So you can shoot your sword with power

No. But the fact that almost every other character in 2002 West declined massively the year after did. Link did nothing. Ask Luigi, ask Squall, ask KOS-MOS.

Sure, throw in the WDF. Then Samus stayed constant despite starring in arguably the biggest GameCube game released up to that point and arguably the biggest game of her career. And then got a boost the next year out of thin air. And I'd love to ask Luigi and Squall, but, as Leonhart said, they got SFF'd. So that leaves KOS-MOS, who also experienced an increase out of nowhere.
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"So that leaves KOS-MOS, who also experienced an increase out of nowhere."

Dun-dun-dun!
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Now Link, fill up your hearts
So you can shoot your sword with power

Constant? The WDF was probably much larger than that. And as I said, YOSHI AND KIRBY.
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You can't have gone over a kilometer up. 1500 meters, tops. -Samus Aran

Then Ryu experienced an increase out of nowhere, since their match was predicted within half a point.
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You can't have gone over a kilometer up. 1500 meters, tops. -Samus Aran

Yoshi was potentially SFF'd by Link, so that means too little to this argument. Kirby was in a bad four pack the year before (as per either your or cns admission) and had a game inbetween contests if I'm not mistaken.
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Now Link, fill up your hearts
So you can shoot your sword with power

"Then Ryu experienced an increase out of nowhere"

Last year was a big year for SF2 fans, what with the many re-realeases whose dates I wont track down.
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Now Link, fill up your hearts
So you can shoot your sword with power

Then Ryu experienced an increase out of nowhere, since their match was predicted within half a point.

And Sonic did, too, despite how accurately his match with Ryu was predicted. Kinda strange how that worked out. The only explanation would be is if one of them overperformed and brought the other up.
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Round 1: (7) Geno

So basically, either Sonic and Ryu gained or the anomaly was due to 2k3 as opposed to 2k2. Hm.
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Now Link, fill up your hearts
So you can shoot your sword with power

Kirby's old as sin. I wouldn't expect to see him go up noticeably anytime soon. Same for Yoshi, whose match with Ryo was such a snoozefest the X-Sts nailed that one perfectly too, for whatever it may be worth.
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You can't have gone over a kilometer up. 1500 meters, tops. -Samus Aran

Then Ryu experienced an increase out of nowhere, since their match was predicted within half a point.

Yeah, he did. So did Sonic. Dunno about that.

Constant? The WDF was probably much larger than that. And as I said, YOSHI AND KIRBY.

One percent at the absolute most, and I think cn has it closer to half a percent. The gain for Samus, that is. And then over four percent the next year. Doesn't make sense to me.

Yoshi: SFF'd by Bowser. Kirby? Alucard/Kirby/Bomberman increased nearly in proportion (Bomberman is a bit off) in 2k4. We've suggested that Sephiroth (probably Cloud and FFVII, too) can minorly SFF the other big PlayStation franchises, like FFVII/MGS, Seph/Liquid, and Seph/Alucard. I don't know if there was anything there, but it's an alternate explanation.
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As opposed to? 40% on BL is just crazy for Sonic.
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I don't believe Yoshi was SFF'd by Bowser, either. 56-44 is just too close for that... speaking of which, can you check Conker's variation?
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http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=22797205

I suggest everyone read that topic, because it's true.

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"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Kirby's old as sin. I wouldn't expect to see him go up noticeably anytime soon. Same for Yoshi, whose match with Ryo was such a snoozefest the X-Sts nailed that one perfectly too, for whatever it may be worth.

Link is older than Kirby, and he seems to be able to increase. Ditto for Samus and Bowser. And I think it's pretty clear that Kirby increased between 2k2 and 2k3, and perfectly clear that he increased between 2k2 and 2k4. He went from losing to Jill Valentine to doing (much) better than Jill did against Squall.
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

The major problem is, Jill scored a whopping 27% on Link 2002. Kirby came quite close to her. Then, she just disappeared off the map. It's more Jill's fault than it is Kirby's.
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You can't have gone over a kilometer up. 1500 meters, tops. -Samus Aran

She didn't fall off the map if you think that Samus was SFF'd and Arabusa cost Ryu H. a good deal of support against Sora. Both of which are, in my opinion, very probably but not provable.
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

"Kirby's old as sin. I wouldn't expect to see him go up noticeably anytime soon."

How does he differ from Link, then, who is older and has more working agaisnt him gaining yet did?

"whose match with Ryo was such a snoozefest the X-Sts nailed that one perfectly too, for whatever it may be worth."

Because it's just sooo impossible for his oh so high level of popularity to be on the decline.

"40% on BL is just crazy for Sonic."

Not really, especially if Link has somehow gained from WW between 2k2 and 2k3.
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Now Link, fill up your hearts
So you can shoot your sword with power

Not really, especially if Link has somehow gained from WW between 2k2 and 2k3.

That's what I tend to believe. No WDF, Link SFF'd Mario, and then increased because of Wind Waker. More probable but not provable fun.
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

Then where did I come up with the number if I was making it up? Look at cn's 2k4 stats in the second row for Sephiroth, he got 42.4 against 2k4 Link in the stats.

As I said, I knew where you got it, I just didn't get the point of you doing that.

But more of them did than before I did that. including, but not limited to: MM, DK, Vercetti, Tidus (and now Magus) and Gordon all being at least closer than before (With M/G/T still being way off, obv.)

Here's where you got things wrong, you're expecting those chars to remain constant.

MM decreased between 2k2 and 2k3, so it's not farfetched for him to decrease again.
Btw, MM's drop between 2k2 to 2k3 became unworldly if you do this.
Vercetti and Tidus are relatively new, they have room to decrease.

You're clearly no better, so don't play holier than thou at this point. Anyway, anybody who wants to gain information from this would listen, which apparently you'd rather remain in the dark.

I'll admit that I'm no better.
But gaining information from you?
No thanks, there are better sources.

You've already proven that you aren't even consistant in your beliefs, so there's little reason to say this but obviously something happened with Alucard/Ganon that made the adjustment insufficient. That by no means says the evidence wasn't still there to speak against Magus being anywhere near that high thanks to Sam Fisher.

So you're assuming that everything in that fourpack is normal, then Magus suddenly overperformed on Link for no reason whatsoever?
This isn't like Frog's fourpack that was weird from the beginning to the end.

If Alucard was over-rated in 2k3 thanks to Seph, then what about Bomberman and Kirby?
If they're also over-rated, then Squall practically took a dive in 2k4!

Not in close ones. Where it actually counts you're better off not looking at stats.

I already know that.

But you clearly implied that someone did do the math and it wasn't you. And. if you knew anything about those stats you're "borrowing" from you'd know that Link's 2k4 value was derived by using the LSE.

Link 2k3 vs. Link 2k4 was derived using the LSE, by assuming a constant Cloud.
But each char's values in 2k4 vs. Link 2k4 wasn't derived from it, and most of them are lower than their respective values in 2k3 vs. Link 2k3.
This includes those in Cloud's half of the bracket.

Yes, two vaguely related characters falling propotionately while more closely related characters (Crono and Auron respectively) didn't drop at all. I'm not going with that.

I always believed that Auron decreased between 2k3 and 2k4, while Crono is my standard for consistency.
And I never expected you to believe me anyway.

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By the way, everyone hoping for a cheating announcement can stop holding their breath. CJayC says that the poll has looked legit all day.

~*ST*~
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"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

"I suggest everyone read that topic, because it's true."

Everyone has been on the recieving end, most have been on the giving end (yourself included ulti) so I have absolutely no reason to take it as anything more than a person leaving because they can't hack in a topic that has gotten much bigger and much more opinionated by due course. This clearly isn't the type of topic to be in if you cannot handle the idea that some people are going to be very, very opinionated... and becomes more so every year because they actually do or think they know more about the contest. When you're on your sixth contest it's not new and fresh, we've seen things and we've decided what they mean.

Frankly, the kid probably doesn't like Around the Horn either...

Also, I hate footnotes and you should avoid using them at all costs, if you have a point to get across put it in the damn body of work unless you are referencing someone else's work. That's not a research paper, footnotes = annoying
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Now Link, fill up your hearts
So you can shoot your sword with power

Looks like Knuckles will finish with under 51% now and less than a 2000 vote lead.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

And once again you show your petulance and immaturity.

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"Here's where you got things wrong, you're expecting those chars to remain constant."

In that time span none of them had reason to move, and it's so unlikely that say... DK and Mega Man should decrease proportionately over a year despite their varying number/popularity of releases in the interrim.

"MM decreased between 2k2 and 2k3, so it's not farfetched for him to decrease again."

Unless you believe in the WDF, in which he did not. I personally don't, but the fact of the matter is that he may have just been overrated in 2k2 like Magus in 2k3 and Frog in 2k4. If you saw what he did in the first two rounds when they actually happened you'd know the awe inspiting matches he had. More than enough reason to over perform against everyone thereafter.

"But gaining information from you?
No thanks, there are better sources."

That may be so, but you may as well get some of the goods while you have a chance. Especially since most of those "better" sources only deal in raw numbers/hard evidence that are at hand and will not compensate for things like the possibility of Samus being SFFd by Link.

"So you're assuming that everything in that fourpack is normal, then Magus suddenly overperformed on Link for no reason whatsoever?"

To a degree, but not fully. I'm not asinine.

"If Alucard was over-rated in 2k3 thanks to Seph, then what about Bomberman and Kirby?"

It's not a big deal, but yes, as I conceeded earlier if a Square character took a dive due to actual populairty loss it's Squall and only Squall and only because he was the only character actually made more likable in KH.

"Link 2k3 vs. Link 2k4 was derived using the LSE, by assuming a constant Cloud."

Do you even know what the LSE is about? Read this: http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/18

The LSE doesn't assume Cloud is constant it takes the data from every character to find how much they changed and it jsut so happened that according to the least squareds Cloud was approximately stable. Hell, know what it is you're talking about before you talk about it.

"and most of them are lower than their respective values in 2k3 vs. Link 2k3"

Because relative to every character that made both contests excepting those hurt by large amounts of SFF Link increased and almost everyone else did not. So yeah, when comparing to 2k4 Link everyone looks weaker... that's what happens when your guideline character gets stronger.

"I always believed that Auron decreased between 2k3 and 2k4"

I'm glad you believe! Now, find some, you know, evidence... if any should happen to exist at all right now (don't bother, it doesn't).

"And I never expected you to believe me anyway."

Because you knew you were wrogn from the start?
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Now Link, fill up your hearts
So you can shoot your sword with power

"And once again you show your petulance and immaturity."

Petulance, I'm going to start using that one, I like it. And for a guy who just recently said he likes me better when I'm being a jerk you're coming off as being quite two-faced.
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Now Link, fill up your hearts
So you can shoot your sword with power

I wanted a good match for my 1100 Karma b-day, but from what I've saw in this division I wouldn't be surprised in anything Squall got unless it's under 50% (which I find very unlikely, he should have no problem breaking 60% at the very least)
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I've been Pwned by KoaC. He really is the king of all cosmos.

Petulance, I'm going to start using that one, I like it. And for a guy who just recently said he likes me better when I'm being a jerk you're coming off as being quite two-faced.

I'll take you acting decently over you drunk or nasty.

I assumed I didn't have only two choices.

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"Squall got unless it's under 50% "

Dear god, how I hope, how I hope!
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Now Link, fill up your hearts
So you can shoot your sword with power

From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 8/10/2005 10:01:38 PM | #320
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=22797205

I suggest everyone read that topic, because it's true.

~*ST*~

I'd make some sort of joke about harsh, harsh irony, but I don't think that'd accomplish anything.

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See the post imeadiately proceeding yours. Just because cn doesn't believe in Samus being SFF'd by Link means that the math, which you've essentially "stolen", that you use wouldn't account for it.

Just what are you talking about?
Samus is ranked directly against Link in 2k3, and her percentage againts Link increased in 2k4.
If that's not an increase, what is?
I have yet to take into account Link's increase from 2k3 to 2k4.

People have already started to forget about FFX-2. In fact, this is the most I've heard about it in many, many months. Where's Yuna's drop then? Really, if she's goign to have statistical staying power it'd be due to FFX which is in the top 10 faqs right now, unlike X-2. Why does Tidus weaken due to a game that is still more popular and has been so much longer?

You forgot about the casuals.
People in this board are usually ahead in things like that.

There's no evidence to suggest Seph has dropped at all.

SC2k4 and Sp2k5.
If you don't buy those, you won't buy anything.

Yes, but only a very small fraction of its sales have been in the last year. It sold more before the 2k4 contest than after it by a significant amount.

My point is that Square chars tend to lack staying power.
That is to say their 1st appearance will be their strongest unless they get something after that.
This IS Yuna's 1st appearance post FF X-2.

I'm reading this slowly... trying to understand... do you mean it wasn't as hyped as those two so the fact that it sold a million titles means nothing and its popularity should come at a delay while those two didn't since they had a lot of hype? Worthless speculation without any grounds to base it on.

Again, it sold way, way more in its first 2 months than the last year for certain.

Right. Baseless speculation. Wonderful way to build an argument... if you don't care about being right.

See Samus in 2k4?

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"I assumed I didn't have only two choices."

To be honest, you don't have any options. I am how I am, and if I'm going to be a jerk one day that's all there is to it. Sorry, but that's how it goes. If you like me less for it then you shouldn't have ever made any "that's the chichiri I know" sorta comments.
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Now Link, fill up your hearts
So you can shoot your sword with power

"I'd make some sort of joke about harsh, harsh irony, but I don't think that'd accomplish anything."

Well, I got it... and I thought it was pointless to mention as well... but at least we both got it.
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Now Link, fill up your hearts
So you can shoot your sword with power

To be honest, you don't have any options. I am how I am, and if I'm going to be a jerk one day that's all there is to it. Sorry, but that's how it goes. If you like me less for it then you shouldn't have ever made any "that's the chichiri I know" sorta comments.

"If I'm going to be a jerk one day"? That happens everyday.

And that smacks of "I'm going to act however I want and you can't tell me what to do!"

I never told you what to do. I told you what I preferred because you seemed confused about that.

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"Samus is ranked directly against Link in 2k3"

You mean to tell me you tihnk two characters with overlapping fanbases can't have a match that turns out wrong, statistically speaking? You said you didn't beleive in rSFF but I didn't know that also meant you don't believe in SFF as well.

"You forgot about the casuals."

No I didn't. The game in question is less of a concern to the casual visitors than its predecessor. Again, look at the FAQs and you'll see X ahead of X-2

"People in this board are usually ahead in things like that."

So, looking at the top 10 we're talking what, 3 years ahead?

"SC2k4 and Sp2k5.
If you don't buy those, you won't buy anything."

Sp2k5 is just plain bad, and the only peopel who don't agree need it to justify Ganon's strength. SC2k4 puts Seph almost exactly where he was before 2k3, as if 2k3 was a fluke. No, I'm not buying your bridge, I'm not that dumb.

"My point is that Square chars tend to lack staying power."

Then Yuna should show no sign of a FFX-2 boost, and Auron should also have fallen when he has shown no signs of doing so.

"This IS Yuna's 1st appearance post FF X-2."

First appearance period for those characters, and in inspiring situations which Yuna was not. In other words, in your little "theory" she doesn't gain a boost except as a means to cover up where your hypothesis fails.

"See Samus in 2k4?"

See her opponent in 2k3?
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Now Link, fill up your hearts
So you can shoot your sword with power

""If I'm going to be a jerk one day"? That happens everyday."

No, some days I get drunk.

"And that smacks of "I'm going to act however I want and you can't tell me what to do!""

As it should.

"I never told you what to do."

Thank god, because you would have been very disapointed.

"I told you what I preferred because you seemed confused about that."

And I told you that it isn't going to happen all the time. Basically, as I can tell it, you like me when I'm rather apathetic about my life and don't have the interest to even argue with anyone. Yay... you like me when I care the least!
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Now Link, fill up your hearts
So you can shoot your sword with power

49% and under 2000.
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I've been Pwned by KoaC. He really is the king of all cosmos.

In that time span none of them had reason to move, and it's so unlikely that say... DK and Mega Man should decrease proportionately over a year despite their varying number/popularity of releases in the interrim.

Well, TV did, at least.
But my later lines cover my reasoning for MM

Unless you believe in the WDF, in which he did not. I personally don't, but the fact of the matter is that he may have just been overrated in 2k2 like Magus in 2k3 and Frog in 2k4. If you saw what he did in the first two rounds when they actually happened you'd know the awe inspiting matches he had. More than enough reason to over perform against everyone thereafter.

For the record, I don't buy WDF, period.
If Seph 2k2 is already an overperformance, what would you call Seph 2k3?

First you said Magus overperformed against Link in 2k3, now you said MM overperformed on Seph in 2k2.
You're just pulling overperformances all over the place.

Do you even know what the LSE is about? Read this: http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/18

I knew that, but I conceded that my statement was confusing, so let me rephrase:
Link 2k3 vs. Link 2k4 was done using the LSE, which found Cloud to be relatively constant, happy?

I'm glad you believe! Now, find some, you know, evidence... if any should happen to exist at all right now (don't bother, it doesn't).

Ness, 'nuff said.

Because you knew you were wrogn from the start?

I know how stubborn you are, so you don't need to emphasize it even further.

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If you want me to drop it, fine. I've said how I feel, and that's all I wanted to do.

And next time, if you come on AIM about it, ask politely for me to "get off your case." Thanks.

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Everyone needs to step back and breathe.
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1. Tripling Gordon Freeman.

You mean to tell me you tihnk two characters with overlapping fanbases can't have a match that turns out wrong, statistically speaking? You said you didn't beleive in rSFF but I didn't know that also meant you don't believe in SFF as well.

That match isn't a Cloud/Squall blow out mind you.
The amount of SFF she suffered there should be minimal.
And any SFF there still won't account for her "jump" in 2k4.
She increased her percentage against an increased Link.

No I didn't. The game in question is less of a concern to the casual visitors than its predecessor. Again, look at the FAQs and you'll see X ahead of X-2

So, looking at the top 10 we're talking what, 3 years ahead?

My point is that casuals take longer to get into things than most people here do.
FF X does have more staying power than X-2, but X-2 is Yuna's most recent game, where she actually stars in it.
Any increase she got would be from FF X-2.

Sp2k5 is just plain bad, and the only peopel who don't agree need it to justify Ganon's strength. SC2k4 puts Seph almost exactly where he was before 2k3, as if 2k3 was a fluke. No, I'm not buying your bridge, I'm not that dumb.

You're not dumb, you're just plain stubborn.

Then Yuna should show no sign of a FFX-2 boost, and Auron should also have fallen when he has shown no signs of doing so.

First appearance period for those characters, and in inspiring situations which Yuna was not. In other words, in your little "theory" she doesn't gain a boost except as a means to cover up where your hypothesis fails.

They don't have to fall proportionally, you know.
And Auron did fall, see Ness.

And look at Rikku, do you think she gained all of her popularity from FF X alone?

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"I never told you what to do. I told you what I preferred because you seemed confused about that."

I agree.

"My point is that casuals take longer to get into things than most people here do."

Not that much longer, though. Really.

"You're not dumb, you're just plain stubborn."

Damn right. I always have been, always will be.

"And Auron did fall, see Ness."

Ness was SFF'd by Bowser. Look at his match with CJ and tell me which match is more likely a fluke... Auron or Bowser.
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Now Link, fill up your hearts
So you can shoot your sword with power

Ok, I'm *finally* caught up with this topic. Wow, what a match. One of the greatest upsets ever. I mean, I so called Magus being overrated, but never in my wildest dreams was he this overrated.

On another note, go Squall! Beat Geno badly enough to give you a shot at taking down Vincent!
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For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to refer to Gordon Freeman versus Tanner as Schrodinger's Match. -Phoenix Flattener

Ness was SFF'd by Bowser. Look at his match with CJ and tell me which match is more likely a fluke... Auron or Bowser.

Auron was SFF'ed too, so things should wash out, yet Auron still underperformed by leaps and bounds.
Unless you seriously believe that the SFF between Bowser and Ness is significantly greater than the one between Cloud and Auron.

About CJ, I've said it before that we're simply overestimating him, there's nothing more to it.
I hate to play the race card on him, but it's most likely true.
How many black chars have we ever seen?

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