and Magus gains another 35 votes. i'm gonna have a friggin' heart attack here. every time i'm about to completely give up hop, Magus makes an absurdly large gain.

well, i gotta go for a few hours. so, in the meantime, GO MAGUS!!!

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Magus just gained another 35 votes...
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This match is just...wow, I half expect CJayC to come out and say. "Haha, got you guys there, you guys should have seen the looks on your faces. Let's restart the poll"

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His match against Sam Fisher in comparison to DK's match against Fisher was a tiny hint.
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That being said, I still think Kratos has a small chance. He'll keep it close, at least, I'm thinking. 48%+ for Kratos.

That's fair. I just think Diablo is extremely overrated, people just look at how far he got and scream OMG HE'S GONNA WIN, when in fact all he did was beat a Metroid villain that some people don't even know the name of, a fighting game villain, and the character who defnes underperformance. His stats put him at #31, right around KOS-MOS, only at around 25%.

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Today: Magus vs. Knuckles

Well I have Kratos in my bracket, so I can't help but be optimistic about it... heh heh. Lloyd kinda dampered my optimism on the matter, though.
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In nearly one and a half hours magus has shaved a mere 150 votes off of the lead. He's going to havie to pick up the pace if he wants to even make it close. He might make it within 1,000 votes but I don't think he'll be even cutting it close.
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He needs 27 votes per update to win by about 60 votes.
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Yes, Squall will beat Knuckles. This is Magus being overrated, not Knux being an unexpected powerhouse.

But, you do remember, right?

That Squall underperformed in both of his matches against Bomberman and Kirby last year...

He might drop yet again, and if he drop down far enough...

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He needs 27 votes per update to win by about 60 votes.

Just because he might do that very ocassionally doesn't mean a thing. He needs to do it consistently on every update, which he isn't. The longer he studders the larger that number per update he needs gets.
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I could see him managing that easily at the current pace... if Knuckles didn't get the random "down 4" updates every once in a while.
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Well I have Kratos in my bracket, so I can't help but be optimistic about it... heh heh. Lloyd kinda dampered my optimism on the matter, though.

No kidding. 65% alone would've made it a near-lock for Kratos, and Lloyd goes and scores 55%. Unbelievable.

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Today: Magus vs. Knuckles

Knuckles is pretty much cancelling out all of Magus's gains. He's not coming back.
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Just because he might do that very ocassionally doesn't mean a thing. He needs to do it consistently on every update, which he isn't. The longer he studders the larger that number per update he needs gets.

...

Yes, I know. I was saying what he needed to do, I didn't say he will manage to do it.
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But, you do remember, right?

That Squall underperformed in both of his matches against Bomberman and Kirby last year...

Yeah, and Kirby still > Knuckles.

At best, they're equal.
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Round 1: (7) Geno

"Have you ever think about that?"

No, I try to not let stupidity enter my mind, frankly. If you look at 2k2 you'll recognize that 2k3 was the anomoly, and if you adjust 2k3 seph to 2k4 seph you also see that MM didn't get SFFd by Link and that Magus' performance today is about spot on along with Tidus' performance last year.

"Dude, I never took his performance against Cloud into account, I'm talking about Kirby and Bomberman!"

Oh, did Kirby have a new game too? Okay, so he under performed against two characters that had new games.

"I know enough to ignore SFF matches, thank you."

Coulda fooled me. Besides, botht the characters you seem to think he underperformed agaisnt rose nearly proportionately and were in the same 4 pack the year before. Again, a simple conclusion can be drawn.

"Exactly, and that connection is that except for Cloud and Crono, every Square char has been losing strength ever since 2k3."

That's the "stupid" coclusion, and clearly not the one I'm talking about.

"But we DO know where Sora ranks, and frankly I don't buy Riku > Sora, period."

But I'd buy Sora over Frog easily, in fact I expected it even after what Frog did to Snake. You're looking at the wrong things here and drawing the wrong conclusions.
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Yes, I know. I was saying what he needed to do, I didn't say he will manage to do it.

Alright that's fair. I just don't want to see people calling a comeback already when he's not doing even close to what he needs.
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And Knuckles responds with a 22 vote gain. I estimate Magus needs 55.8% of the remaining vote (and rising) to win. Not gaining anywhere near quickly or consistently enough.
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I wish Slowflake made a topic declaring Knuckles the winner...
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Summer 2005 Contest - 20/22 points
Current Match Prediction: Magus vs. Knuckles the Echidna

"No matter how you swing the stats the only data that makes him look weaker then knux is the one match he had against luca."

And Tidus vs. MM. And Ganon vs. Ansem (CATS). And Ganon vs. Alucard.
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Match 24: (2) Squall Leonhart vs. (7) Geno

Past Performances

Squall Leonhart

Summer 2002
Lost to Solid Snake, 34.57% - 65.43%
Ranked: 20th

Summer 2003
Beat Jill Valentine, 59.99% - 40.01%
Beat Luigi Mario, 60.21% - 39.79%
Lost to Samus Aran, 41.80% - 58.20%
Ranked: 16th

Summer 2004
Beat Bomberman, 64.75% - 35.25%
Beat Kirby, 55.01% - 44.99%
Lost to Cloud Strife, 23.79% - 76.21%
Ranked: 19th

Spring 2005
Did not attend
Ranked: N/A

Geno

Summer 2002
Did not attend
Ranked: N/A

Summer 2003
Did not attend
Ranked: N/A

Summer 2004
Did not attend
Ranked: N/A

Spring 2005
Did not attend
Ranked: N/A

Analysis

With all of the matches we’ve had in this division the only way this match could surprise me would be if Geno beat Squall and that’s very unlikely (but I said the same thing about Knuckles). Hopefully we’ll close on a calm note with this division. Geno is from the game where Square and Nintendo paired up and made Super Mario RPG which is probably one of the best Mario RPG’s ever (there’s not too many).

Since 2k2 Squall has proved to be strong. With his bad performance against Snake in 2k2 he came in 2k3 upsetting both Jill and Luigi and putting up some good numbers against Samus. In 2k4 he didn’t do as well as expected, but he still did pretty good. Squall isn’t a character to be messed with and might make the Sweet 16 this year again.

Geno is another new character on the contest scene and he could be weird in his match against Squall. Since technically Geno belongs to Square, but the only games he’s ever been in were Mario games so will he get SFF by Nintendo, Square or both? I very sure that if Geno has a match against a Nintendo character he would get SFF, but I don’t really think he’ll become SFF by a Square character and if he does it probably isn’t going to be by much.

Now we need some kind of estimation on Geno’s strength. If we look at other old Square characters for example Terra and Cecil they don’t do that well. Heck any non-Chrono Trigger old Square characters don’t do that well, IIRC the strongest one if Kefka and he’s below half of the characters. I know Geno seems more Nintendo then Square, but there really haven’t been any SNES only characters.

I expect Squall to get somewhere in between a doubling and a tripling, but with the craziness of this division I wouldn’t be surprised if he underperformed or overperformed my prediction. I don’t really expect for Geno to suffer SFF, but I guess we’ll never know unless he comes back next year.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Squall Leonhart over Geno

charmander6000’s Prediction: Squall wins, 71.57% - 28.43%

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"No matter how you swing the stats the only data that makes him look weaker then knux is the one match he had against luca."

And Tidus vs. MM. And Ganon vs. Ansem (CATS). And Ganon vs. Alucard.

And Sam Fisher vs. Gordon Freeman.

And Sam Fisher vs. Samus.

And Sam Fisher vs. Donkey Kong.
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Thanks, I was gettign tired of listing matches that proved this would happen to someone who seems incapable of listening for more than two seconds.
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If this keeps up he's going to lose by 1200 votes, but then again the night vote hasn't really gotten into full gear, but I still don't think he can do it.
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And Tidus vs. MM. And Ganon vs. Ansem (CATS). And Ganon vs. Alucard.

You're getting into performances by people at least a year after they've faced magus. Anyways I think it's obvious that cats does considerably better with his face shot. MC vs. CATS makes that apparent. Well at least it does unless you think DK is going to make a close match with MC. Alucard and gannon both performed against other very closely to what their 2k3 standings would suggest, so I don't see what you're talking about with that match. It's not like gannon looked weak enough in it to lose to knuckles.
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"If this keeps up he's going to lose by 1200 votes, but then again the night vote hasn't really gotten into full gear, but I still don't think he can do it."

I don't even care who wins anymore, I just want it to be damn close.
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Knuckles: Ooh! Look! Magus got a 40 vote gain! He's coming ba-OH, I just got 20 votes back myself! Made you feel hopeful, didn't I?

Magus, you were right, screwing with them is awesome!


Magus: *is currently proxy voting Knuckles many times* Damn straight!

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Today: Magus vs. Knuckles

"You're getting into performances by people at least a year after they've faced magus. "

Yet we've counted up what, seven matches that proved this would happen and 2 that didn't? Oh, and we have it happening, that's 8 vs. 2 here. You haven't got any ground to fight on here, you're just plain wrong.
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Thanks, I was gettign tired of listing matches that proved this would happen to someone who seems incapable of listening for more than two seconds.

Which is exactly why so many people saw this coming right? I mean if it was really so obvious how could so few people see what was going to happen?
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From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 8/11/2005 12:48:03 AM | #076
"If this keeps up he's going to lose by 1200 votes, but then again the night vote hasn't really gotten into full gear, but I still don't think he can do it."

I don't even care who wins anymore, I just want it to be damn close.

Magus has got 52% of the vote since Knuckles hit his peak. That includes the two suspect initial five minute updates. Magus pulls it back to around a 1500 deficit if that percentage continues.
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In the last hour, Magus has taken 97 votes off of the lead. Not nearly enough.
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Yet we've counted up what, seven matches that proved this would happen and 2 that didn't? Oh, and we have it happening, that's 8 vs. 2 here. You haven't got any ground to fight on here, you're just plain wrong.

Gannon vs alucard, and gannon vs. ansem really don't make magus look weak enoguh to lose to knuckles. CATS is obviously stronger with his face shot. Aside from that only Sam fisher and tidus make magus look potentially weak. I'm not saying that it was impossible to see coming, but you can't claim that it was obvious.
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Make it 93, Knuckles just won an update with 4 votes.

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Today: Magus vs. Knuckles

"I mean if it was really so obvious how could so few people see what was going to happen?"

Because we were all too afraid to take such a huge risk with Magus vs. Link staring us down. This is just one time when the evidence was overwhelming but one or two things we should have ignored were so poignant that we didn't.
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"Magus pulls it back to around a 1500 deficit if that percentage continues."

Not close enough. top ten, baby... top ten.
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If you told me this match was going to be the closest this round I would've told that you were crazy.
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Because we were all too afraid to take such a huge risk with Magus vs. Link staring us down. This is just one time when the evidence was overwhelming but one or two things we should have ignored were so poignant that we didn't.

You're right we should have seen it coming, but we didn't. You can basically say "that wasn't impressive, it's exactly what he should have done" to any match. The thing is that we were to blinded by... whatever the hell it was that blinded us to see this coming. Doing better then expected is how I define being "winner of the round" or whatever, not by having a huge increase. Maybe that's just me though.
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Well having a huge increase is part of it as well. Let me just sum it up by saying I consider knux a huge winner here because he more or less pwned the entire board.
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"Gannon vs alucard, and gannon vs. ansem really don't make magus look weak enoguh to lose to knuckles."

Adjusting for Seph over performing on Cloud (Putting 2k3 MM at 2k4 MM) CATS > Ansem > Ganon and Alucard > Ganon put Magus around 27.6 which is just barely beating Knux. Combine that with the fact that we've seen bigger upsets and I think you know where this is going. Essentially, njone of us should have had Magus over Squall and 1/3 of use at least should have had Knux winning.
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It simply boils down to a lot of people in this topic THOUGHT Magus was overrated in 2k3... but we had no idea he was THAT overrated as is showing today.

And I said earlier, if Magus can overperform against Link (which is what his x-stat ranking is based on), it's entirely possible for him to overperform on Ganondorf as well.
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If you told me this match was going to be the closest this round I would've told that you were crazy.

So crazy it turns you on?

^.~

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"but we had no idea he was THAT overrated as is showing today."

Actually, if not for the spring contest I'd have my bracket different.
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So crazy it turns you on?

Maybe
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*giggles*

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Actually, if not for the spring contest I'd have my bracket different.

Maybe so, but still very few people thought magus to be overrated enough to lose to knux. Very few.
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Actually looking like we're headed for 102,000+ votes right now. How many of those are legit is a moot point :-)
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As of the -7 hours update, Magus needs about 55.9% of the remaining vote. And rising. Fork, done jokes detected.
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I still think Magus could break 49%, but yah it's over.
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From: charmander6000 | Posted: 8/11/2005 1:04:28 AM | #098
I still think Magus could break 49%, but yah it's over.

Oh yeah, that's definitely possible. But 50% isn't.
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No, I try to not let stupidity enter my mind, frankly. If you look at 2k2 you'll recognize that 2k3 was the anomoly, and if you adjust 2k3 seph to 2k4 seph you also see that MM didn't get SFFd by Link and that Magus' performance today is about spot on along with Tidus' performance last year.

Magus dropped from almost 35% on BL down to at most 25% on BL.
Tidus dropped by roughly the same amount.

Dropping Seph from his 2k3 numbers to his 2k4 numbers to account for Link revenge votes that Cloud got in 2k3 couldn't even begin to account for that.

Oh, did Kirby have a new game too? Okay, so he under performed against two characters that had new games.

Snake had a new game between 2k3 and 2k4, it surely did give him an increase, didn't it?

Coulda fooled me. Besides, botht the characters you seem to think he underperformed agaisnt rose nearly proportionately and were in the same 4 pack the year before. Again, a simple conclusion can be drawn.

Both of them are on Seph's half of the bracket, while Squall is on Cloud's.
If anything Squall should've overperformed, since Seph was over-rated in 2k3.

The only conclusion that can be drawn here is that Squall decreased, or even dropped if you factor in Seph's overperformance against Cloud.

That's the "stupid" coclusion, and clearly not the one I'm talking about.

The only thing you're good at is calling others stupid.
If you do have an idea what's going on, then SPIT IT OUT!
To be honest I really think you don't.

But I'd buy Sora over Frog easily, in fact I expected it even after what Frog did to Snake. You're looking at the wrong things here and drawing the wrong conclusions.

Now that I've seen that match, I'll buy Sora > Frog.
And for the last time, if you think you know something, then SPIT IT OUT!

All signs so far points to all Square chars dropping like rocks ever since 2k3, except for Cloud and Crono.
And 2k3 isn't the odd ball out, both Frog and Vivi dropped between 2k4 and this year.
You're not going to call 2k4 as an anomaly too, aren't you?

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