Wow... Just... wow.

I was so surprised when I woke up this morning, and Knux was within 200 votes. Then I had to go to school, which blocks gamefaqs but at least I could access sc2k5.com. So I was following the poll updates and was ecstatic when Knux got the lead. I could only imagine how the board was reacting. Now that I have finally finished reading through the stats topics....


**** YEAH!!! GO KNUCKLES!!
YOU CAN EVEN GO AHEAD AND BEAT SQUALL! I DON'T ****ING CARE ANYMORE!! KNUX FTW!!




... Although this does make me feel better that I have Squall winning in Round 2.

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"Those people who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do." ~ Isaac Asimov

I don't think Magus actually did decrease though.

Well, I have a hard time believing it was him completely being overrated in the stats. It's undoubtedly true that he was, but I think it's a mixture of that alongside a decrease for him.

But yeah, he was definitely overrated. I argued that point for a good while during the bracket making process. It's the reason I took Squall over Magus in round 2. =p

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Takes nothing to realize your Ken.
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From here to the end of the match, Knuckles gained 0.40% against Kefka.
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Summer Contest 2005 --- Score: 21/22 --- Rank: T-103

I'm one of the biggest Sonic fans around, and I don't think he will beat Mega Man. I'm not gonna let one bad match, and his subsequent rankings in the X-stats affect my judgement on that.

As far as contests go, I don't think Sonic would be able to beat Snake with 57%. Indirectly, outside of his match with Link, Mega Man has performed better than Sonic AND Mario. Mega Man outperformed Mario against a common opponent in the same year. Mega Man also performed MUCH better against Tidus than Sonic, although those matches were two years apart.

As far as overall popularity is concerned, I think Mega Man has the advantage. Sure Sonic may have had a bigger peak in popularity than Mega Man, particularly during his Genesis days. But I think Mega Man consistently has more popularity drawn from multiple generations. He's had popular games on virtually every system outside of the Genesis (unless you count Wily Wars). NES, SNES, PSX/PS2, GBA... He's been exposed to all generations. He's got much more to draw from than Sonic, who was extremely popular but then went A.W.O.L. during the 32/64-bit generation. He hasn't been able to recover since.

That being said, there's nothing that convinces me that Sonic is more popular than Mega Man. He had a bad match against Cloud just like Mega Man had a bad match against Link. I wouldn't fault either of them for that. We gave Sonic the benefit of the doubt when he was able to bounce back in 2k4. We haven't given Mega Man that chance yet.
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I see no reason for Magus to simply decrease. The four pack was overrated, and half that fourpack came back the next year and showed it to be true.
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Now Link, fill up your hearts
So you can shoot your sword with power

We haven't given Mega Man that chance yet.

But we have, in the way of accepting every character he affected as being the adjusted stat. And it's proven wrong every time now. If Tidus vs Kirby ends up close, that will seal it for me.
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"All pretty girls are a trap, a pretty trap, and men expect them to be."
MasterMage119

You either have to believe Knuckles increased or Magus decreased because Tidus > Knux in the 2004 stats (or you can believe Tidus increased, I guess).
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

If Zero and Magus's performance are anything to go by Sonic has a straight run into the final!

Here's hoping that it's Mario joining him.

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Smurf , the cream of Knuckles Fanboyism
Now Playing: Tales of Symphonia (again), Burnout 3 (still), Loz:Minish Cap

Mega Man against Conker should give you something of an idea before Tidus/Kirby.

If Mega Man's adjustment value (35.99%) is correct then he's projected to get 77.25% against Conker, not taking into account an increase from Conker due to his recent release on the Xbox or somehow an increase from Mega Man based on that number.

If Mega Man's unadjusted value (32.39%) is correct then he's projected to get 74.72% against Conker, not taking into account an increase from Conker due to his recent relesae on the Xbox or somehow an increase from Mega Man based on that number.

There's enough of a gap there to tell where he would sit, unless Conker's increase takes Mega Man down from 77% to around 74%. But I think we'll be able to get a better general idea before Tidus/Kirby, at least on Mega Man alone.

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XxSoulxX's reasons on why Sonic > Mega Man

I was planning to wait for this match to explain why I believe this to be so, but I might as well post it now.

Ok, first off, I'm a firm believer that Mega Man should not have been adjusted in the X-Stats. To say he got SFFed by Link would is completely idiotic. If MM got SFFed, why not Crono as well? Or why not Mario? Or Samus? Basically, Mega Man's 32.39% should have stayed on the Adjusted X-Stats.

1 Link - 50.00%
2 Cloud Strife - 48.18%
3 Sephiroth - 42.40%
4 Samus Aran - 39.50%
5 Crono - 37.18%
6 Mario - 34.77%
7 Sonic the Hedgehog - 33.56%
8 Mega Man - 32.39%

So, if the match would go exactly as planned, Sonic would win with around 51%.

Again, as most other people already stated, Mega Man has fallen every year. This could be explained by having no more classic Mega Man games being sold, or MMX becoming the new lead series. So, if MM were to slip again this year, he would be in trouble.

Next to notice is that this match will happen sometime in the fall. You know what else happens in the fall? Sonic Rush DS will come out. If Sonic DS comes out around that match, we could get another Mario/Cloud on our hands. Basically, no matter when the game comes out, the hype and anticipation will give Sonic a little boost. Again, this means trouble for Mega Man.

I'll I've been saying is that Sonic just needs a little boost to make him win against Mega Man. Looking at today's match, it looks like with the influx of voters that the Sonic characters are becoming more popular. Knuckles defeats Magus. Most people will say that Magus fell, hard. I agree with them, to an extent. Magus did fall. But, to say that he fell that much without a Knuckles increase is just stupid. Knuckles most likely increased from 2004 to 2005. Again, this could be because of the new voters.

Assuming that Knuckles increased basically means that Sonic increased as well. It just wouldn't make sense that them being so alike and star in the same series that one would increase and not the other. It makes even less sense that the sidekick would increase and not the main protagonist. Face it, if Knuckles increased, so has Sonic.

Now then, after all is said and done, I believe that Sonic has a great shot at taking down Mega Man. I'm not going to call it a lock, since it isn't even close to that. The match is going to be close regardless of who wins. I just believe that Sonic will win.
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*Waiting for Guru winner's sig*

Magus 57.34% 418
Knuckles the Echidna 42.66% 311
TOTAL VOTES 729

I guess I can laugh about it now... But truth be told, I was damn worried when I saw that!

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Smurf , the cream of Knuckles Fanboyism
Now Playing: Tales of Symphonia (again), Burnout 3 (still), Loz:Minish Cap

Mega Man against Conker should give you something of an idea before Tidus/Kirby.

If Mega Man's adjustment value (35.99%) is correct then he's projected to get 77.25% against Conker, not taking into account an increase from Conker due to his recent release on the Xbox or somehow an increase from Mega Man based on that number.

If Mega Man's unadjusted value (32.39%) is correct then he's projected to get 74.72% against Conker, not taking into account an increase from Conker due to his recent relesae on the Xbox or somehow an increase from Mega Man based on that number.

There's enough of a gap there to tell where he would sit, unless Conker's increase takes Mega Man down from 77% to around 74%. But I think we'll be able to get a better general idea before Tidus/Kirby, at least on Mega Man alone.

That could give a general idea, but I won't be sold unless Mega Man only scores 71%.
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"All pretty girls are a trap, a pretty trap, and men expect them to be."
MasterMage119

"Face it, if Knuckles increased, so has Sonic."

Well, thank god Knux didn't increase.
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Now Link, fill up your hearts
So you can shoot your sword with power

You know what else happens in the fall? Sonic Rush DS will come out.

I'm sorry, but if you believe something like Sonic Rush DS is going to help Sonic, you need to really look at how low the anticipation for that is and how low it is bound to sell, even from the get-go. That's not even a reason that should be factored in to someone like Sonic.

Face it, if Knuckles increased, so has Sonic.

But there is absolutely nothing to say that Knuckles did increase. Magus being overrated by the stats is nothing crazy and it is nothing new. Knuckles may have increased a little, but he most certainly did not increase by something worth noting. And that does not mean that Sonic increased either. The only way it would suggest that is if there was a reason to have Sonic, or the rest of the series, increase. From what I'm aware, there was nothing for any of them this past year that would warrant that. Aside from the fact that it is not looking like Knuckles will increase. I don't know where this idea start coming from.

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http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/480/kensa34mr.gif

But we have, in the way of accepting every character he affected as being the adjusted stat. And it's proven wrong every time now. If Tidus vs Kirby ends up close, that will seal it for me.

We haven't seen enough of the 20XX division to be able to guarantee that. Ryu H. had a reason to perform better against Zero. I wouldn't judge Zero until his match against Mario. Tommy and Kefka faced each other and they were both in the division. Frog, Liquid, and Master Chief are all tied to Frog's match against Solid Snake (which I believe was an overperformance). We can't judge Snake and Tidus yet.

I never said you don't have a valid reason to believe that Sonic can beat Mega Man. I just stated that I don't see those matches as reason for Sonic to beat him, especially since we haven't seen Mega Man himself perform.

And be wary of Conker overperforming. His N64 game wasn't a HUGE seller, and he's been exposed to an entirely new fanbase on the XBox.
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

*thinks back to the offseason*

I called a breakthrough contest for Tidus, Kirby, and/or Knuckles before the bracket was even released. Looks like I've got two outta three, huh?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

I'm sorry, but if you believe something like Sonic Rush DS is going to help Sonic, you need to really look at how low the anticipation for that is and how low it is bound to sell, even from the get-go. That's not even a reason that should be factored in to someone like Sonic.

I will tell you right now that any and all Sonic fans should be anticipating this game. The game won the award for Biggest Surprise for the DS.

Anyways, I want your proof on why you believe no one is anticipating this game. It's mixing the great 2D gameplay of the original Sonic series and the awesome 3D boss battles. Sure, people are probably not anticipating it now, but come October, people will want this game on their DS.

And thanks for replying to only 2 of my points.
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"ertyu is actually a language. For example, 'dum' is ertyunese for 'godly'." - Topaz Kitsune
*Waiting for Guru winner's sig*

I will tell you right now that any and all Sonic fans should be anticipating this game. The game won the award for Biggest Surprise for the DS.

Yet I have seen absolutely no comments from hardly anybody about this game. You're the only person at this particular board I have heard talk about the game and game websites don't seem to be preaching how great it will be. The odds of this becoming some huge, anticipated hit are not likely if it's barely getting any talk right now. And Sonic fans anticipating it are the people who aren't suddenly going to be changed.

Anyways, I want your proof on why you believe no one is anticipating this game.

Show me the "high anticipation" that this game has, I haven't seen so much as one person, aside from yourself, even speaking about it.

but come October, people will want this game on their DS.

This contest ends before October...

And thanks for replying to only 2 of my points.

They are the only points that were worth responding to.

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Takes nothing to realize your Ken.
http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/480/kensa34mr.gif

I am just floored...

Kefka loses to Vercetti, when CJ from the same series fails to defeat Ness.

Kerrigan is made to look like a jobber against Vinny when I expected the power of Blizzard to get the job done...

And now Magus is losing to perennial loser Knuckles. KNUCKLES????

I have lost all faith in gamers...I just cant explain these 3 results. Absolutely cant.

Needless to say...I am ruined til next year...dammit.
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Steve Illumina: 'Sage of Board 8', Renowned Author, MK Master, Noob Basher & Fanbaby Smacker! Score: Grrr

I'm surprised the Sage of Board 8 didn't blame this match on the fanbabies...
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

And now Magus is losing to perennial loser Knuckles. KNUCKLES????

Perennial loser? Knuckles is one of the few characters to win a match in every contest.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

If the next round is the sprite round for pics, Squall is doomed.

Laughing Knuckles > all.
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

http://members.tripod.com/sonicprime/Sprite30.gif

<3
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

With no other explanation possible...I blame it all on the Fanbabies...

Sonic fanbabies...FFVII fanbabies, we know how notorious THEY are...and closet GTA geeks...where were all you when Carl Johnson needed ya? Huh? Answer me that, you fair weather fanbabies!
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Steve Illumina: 'Sage of Board 8', Renowned Author, MK Master, Noob Basher & Fanbaby Smacker! Score: Grrr

I created Stats Topic 198 by the way with my favorite Squall quote, so if you dont like it, too bad.

:)
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Steve Illumina: 'Sage of Board 8', Renowned Author, MK Master, Noob Basher & Fanbaby Smacker! Score: 0/0

In other news...

Squall will win tomorrow!

:)
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Steve Illumina: 'Sage of Board 8', Renowned Author, MK Master, Noob Basher & Fanbaby Smacker! Score: 0/0

It's a little early for 198.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

A little late to the party, but...

lol @ the results. Wow. Just wow.

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"Being a Hunter has to be the best job in the world! Well, next to pimp..."

Crono: I know, but I had to cheer myself up somehow! That was the best way I could come up with, cause bashing fanbabies aint cutting it no mo'!
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Steve Illumina: 'Sage of Board 8', Renowned Author, MK Master, Noob Basher & Fanbaby Smacker! Score: 0/0

From: steve illumina | Posted: 8/10/2005 2:31:45 PM | Message Detail
I am just floored...

Kefka loses to Vercetti, when CJ from the same series fails to defeat Ness.

Kerrigan is made to look like a jobber against Vinny when I expected the power of Blizzard to get the job done...

And now Magus is losing to perennial loser Knuckles. KNUCKLES????

I have lost all faith in gamers...I just cant explain these 3 results. Absolutely cant.

Needless to say...I am ruined til next year...dammit.
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Steve Illumina: 'Sage of Board 8', Renowned Author, MK Master, Noob Basher & Fanbaby Smacker! Score: Grrr

Ewww, you are fired bro. I will be the new Sage Thank You for your position :)
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Summer 2005 Contest Score : 22/22
Rank : 1/33793 Today: Magus Tomorrow : Squall

From: steve illumina | Posted: 8/10/2005 2:31:45 PM | Message Detail
I am just floored...

Kefka loses to Vercetti, when CJ from the same series fails to defeat Ness.

Kerrigan is made to look like a jobber against Vinny when I expected the power of Blizzard to get the job done...

And now Magus is losing to perennial loser Knuckles. KNUCKLES????

I have lost all faith in gamers...I just cant explain these 3 results. Absolutely cant.

Needless to say...I am ruined til next year...dammit.
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Steve Illumina: 'Sage of Board 8', Renowned Author, MK Master, Noob Basher & Fanbaby Smacker! Score: Grrr

Ewww, you are fired bro. I will be the new Sage Thank You for your position :)
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Summer 2005 Contest Score : 22/22
Rank : 1/33793 Today: Magus Tomorrow : Squall

So can Magus come back, or is all hope lost?
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WWEGSB Hardcore Legend Masa
"Masa, everytime I talk to you, my urge for hot pockets rises. Damn you" - Linky.

From: The Doppleganger | Posted: 8/10/2005 9:52:02 PM | #232
So can Magus come back, or is all hope lost?

He's gone.
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Jon Thomson - MARIO, Samus, SOLID SNAKE, Bowser, CRONO, Squall, Sonic, MEGA MAN

All hope is pretty much lost. Wind Waker's peak lead never exceeded about 1800 or so.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Knuckles is looking to hit the Point of No Return in a while.

This match is over.
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Magus vs. Knuckles - Bracket: Magus - Vote: Knuckles (20/22)

What about Kefka/Vercetti and the possibilty of vote stuffing? >_>
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WWEGSB Hardcore Legend Masa
"Masa, everytime I talk to you, my urge for hot pockets rises. Damn you" - Linky.

There have been no signs of vote stuffing. Knuckles has been consistently gaining all day.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

BTW I think Knuckles can beat Squall m'self. No joke. If Knuckles can beat Magus, I mean, he can have a damn good battle with Squall as well.
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WWEGSB Hardcore Legend Masa
"Masa, everytime I talk to you, my urge for hot pockets rises. Damn you" - Linky.

I reiterate: wow. Just wow.

This match has knocked me on my ass, kicked me in the teeth, hit me over the head with a steel chair and flabbergasted me, all at the same time. How in the hell could this have happened? How? How?!

I cannot wait to see the percentages correct tomorrow.

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"Being a Hunter has to be the best job in the world! Well, next to pimp..."

Can anyone tell me if there was a contest which someone had a perfect bracket?Also what were the top 10 nominations for this contest?Thanks.
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GameFaqs is NOT the place to go for relationship advice.Nobody here gets any action unless it is their right or left hand.Including me.~Dawn and Dusk~

From: Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted: 8/10/2005 9:58:02 PM | #240
Can anyone tell me if there was a contest which someone had a perfect bracket?

No. We had a zero in the spring though.

Also what were the top 10 nominations for this contest?Thanks.

We don't know. All we know is how most of board 8 nominated, and that was dominated by board creations and favourites (Tifa, Leon, CATS et al)
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Jon Thomson - MARIO, Samus, SOLID SNAKE, Bowser, CRONO, Squall, Sonic, MEGA MAN

Ah okay thanks.So in so many contests he had only one perfect bracket and that was a zero one.Nice.
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O_O

Could this be the biggest upset in contest history?
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Vote every day in the NCAA Character Battle 2005 contest!

Could this be the biggest upset in contest history?

I doubt it. Cloud over Link in 2K3 only had about 7% of the brackets.
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"All pretty girls are a trap, a pretty trap, and men expect them to be."
MasterMage119

A good chunk of B8 sez Knux has this one in the bag only because of cheating of the Romero scale.

Except Knux wasn't pulling in huge numbers all through the night, and when he overtakes Magus early this morning there's STILL no obvious stuffing. Magus can't pull in votes in to save his miserable Toriyama-shaded hide, and it's been status quo the whole way through.

IIRC Cloud had 13.37% of the brackets against Link and ~6% winning it all.
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The King of all Cosmos' route to summer victory:
Round 1: (0) Voters

From: Adept_Of_Aiur | Posted: 8/10/2005 10:04:36 PM | #244
Could this be the biggest upset in contest history?

I doubt it. Cloud over Link in 2K3 only had about 7% of the brackets.

I don't think he's talking about percentage of people getting it right. Although if he is, the winner of the whole main tourney will surely beat Cloud>Link, as there's four characters with a genuine shot and another three that could potentially make the final with a bit of luck.
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Jon Thomson - MARIO, Samus, SOLID SNAKE, Bowser, CRONO, Squall, Sonic, MEGA MAN

We have no idea if theres cheating, thanks to the 5-minute poll updater.
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"Chief, I smell ass and it's coming from your direction." - FFMrebirth
Go, Pack, Go!

Why would anyone want to stuff votes for Knuckles of all characters?
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Honestly, I would expect more people to vote stuff for Magus, if only out of desperation for their bracket.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno