I don't think there's anything ridiculous about a 55/45 spread for Zelda. Based on the Sephiroth/Ganondorf and Mega Man/Link results, you could make a fair argument for Ganondorf being at least equal to Mega Man as of today...and if Zelda is weaker than G'dorf, it shouldn't be by much. Besides, based on where Vivi should have been rated in the 2k4 stats (unless DK decided to take a one-year nosedive), it makes perfect sense for Zelda to be around that 32.39% extrapolated value that Mega Man had last year, when he held Snake under 43%.

I'll give Snake a little bit of credit for possible Mega Man underperformance against Link, and a little more for MGS3, though with the way that Metal Gear characters have responded in tournaments this year that might not be justified. But even with that, I can't see him pulling anything above 48% on Zelda, and I honestly feel like I'm being too generous.
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I would pick Magus, and I would assume Magus would SFF Frog. Anyway, I don't like Frog...but it would be a close match, as all Frog ones are... -_-
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a Snake vs Knux IV or a Mario vs Sonic would not only be awesome, but seems at least possible...

Whoa, let's not fantasm just yet. Knuckles' chances of getting out of his division are still ridiculously slim. Sonic's chances of going far are better, of course, but with Megaman being heavily favored over him and Tifa waiting in the wings... and let's not even speak of Crono.

Samus/Crono is still the most likely scenario at this point.
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Mario/Crono you mean!
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Oh, and by the way, Knuckles, a 20XX character, overperforms. Take that as you will.
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Mega Man over Sonic looks worse and worse as this contest goes on. I'm glad I picked the opposite.

Mega Man over Sonic looks worse and worse as this contest goes on. I'm glad I picked the opposite.

Why, do you have Vincent beating Squall or Squall beating Vincent? Because if not, it's not as if you have any chance anyway.
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Snake beats Zelda. I don't know why people are even discussing this, especially seeing how his yearly guaranteed win is now beating up on a "noble nine contender".
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Samus/Crono is of course the most likely. But this topic seems to love making wild and bold predictions, so I see no problem with those unlikely but lovely possibilities.

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Oh, and if you want to get techincal, this makes Snake look good.
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AOA at this rate with all the upsets I'm not expecting anyone to have an exactly great score for this contest. I know I have no chance to win after Magus but bleh.

So is there any chance Magus can catch up? I really don't keep track of day and night votes but how well do these 2 do during the day and night?
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I don't think there's anything ridiculous about a 55/45 spread for Zelda. Based on the Sephiroth/Ganondorf and Mega Man/Link results, you could make a fair argument for Ganondorf being at least equal to Mega Man as of today...and if Zelda is weaker than G'dorf, it shouldn't be by much.

Two big assumptions. First of which, that the villains contest stats aren't ****ed up, *especially* where Sephy was involved. Second of which, that Zelda wouldn't be a lot weaker than Ganondorf. Because...*cough*Magus*cough*.

Besides, based on where Vivi should have been rated in the 2k4 stats (unless DK decided to take a one-year nosedive), it makes perfect sense for Zelda to be around that 32.39% extrapolated value that Mega Man had last year, when he held Snake under 43%.

All conjecture. It doesn't hold, let alone make 'perfect' sense.

I'll give Snake a little bit of credit for possible Mega Man underperformance against Link, and a little more for MGS3, though with the way that Metal Gear characters have responded in tournaments this year that might not be justified.

We have seen Big Boss in this tournament (with old man pic)...and Ocelot/Liquid in the villains contest, which I don't even think I need to address.

But even with that, I can't see him pulling anything above 48% on Zelda, and I honestly feel like I'm being too generous.

I can honestly say I can't see you knowing what the heck you're talking about.
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It's over Magus is no Starcraft and Knuxs still has the day vote to expand, but from the looks of it we won't get a perfect this year.
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Anyone think Pac-man can beat Ocelot? Stranger things have happened...
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AOA at this rate with all the upsets I'm not expecting anyone to have an exactly great score for this contest. I know I have no chance to win after Magus but bleh.

Well, true. Although on second thought, you SHOULD be happy you picked Sonic, just because you picked Sonic, which is always cool. I'm happy about it too, and I have pretty much no shot at this point. :D

So is there any chance Magus can catch up? I really don't keep track of day and night votes but how well do these 2 do during the day and night?

There is technically a chance, if for some reason he starts to just own up starting in two hours. But seeing as he started losing his lead only two and a half hours after the poll opened, it's not really very plausible.
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Anyone think Pac-man can beat Ocelot? Stranger things have happened...

I think Pac Man will break 45% at the very least.
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Mega Man over Sonic looks worse and worse as this contest goes on. I'm glad I picked the opposite.

What would Magus' weakness have to do with Mega Man? I still believe we'll see Rock performing very well against Sonic, should Sonic make it there.

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I think if Knuckles wins next round, people with Magus in the Elite 8 still have a chance for the top 50 at the end of the contest. And I think Knuckles will win next round.
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What would Magus' weakness have to do with Mega Man? I still believe we'll see Rock performing very well against Sonic, should Sonic make it there.

He meant Knuckles could be overperforming a bit also. As you may or may not know, Knuckles is from the same games as Sonic.
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From: SonicLink15 | Posted: 8/10/2005 8:35:03 PM | #162
So is there any chance Magus can catch up?

Magus was only gaining 300 votes an hour when he was increasing... if we call it 12 hours left and an 1800 lead, then he'd need to gain 150/hour. But if Knux keeps gaining at 400/hour like he is doing, it'll be 3000-ish by 3pm, and that's more than enough.

So he'd need to start coming back right now. Which doesn't look likely.
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I think it's because if Knuckles boosted at all, which he did unless you think this is ALL Magus' weakness, then Sonic was likely to get the boost as well.
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I still believe we'll see Rock performing very well against Sonic, should Sonic make it there.

And I don't know why you think that... I think it will be a pretty close match. I mean, every match thus far has debunked our adjusting Mega Man upwards...
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Can't believe I'm about to say this, but...

Magus: 2005's Ultimate Loser?

All that would need to happen is

Knuckles > Magus

Check.

Squall > Knuckles

Seems likely.

Vincent > Squall

Looking good so far.

Crono > Vincent

I'd buy it.

Mega Man > Crono

A stretch, maybe, but with the way Chrono Trigger has looked so far?

Samus > Mega Man (or Mario wins here)

Easily.

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He meant Knuckles could be overperforming a bit also. As you may or may not know, Knuckles is from the same games as Sonic.

And Knuckles is not Sonic is he? I hate how people just do something idiotic like assuming that a character from the same series means something huge for all the characters. It's just absurd. They are not attached to each other.

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Magus with another good update. The beginnings of a voting shift or vote stuffing?
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Guys, perhaps it's worth re-throwing it out there, but I had a theory a lil' before the Villain Contest (that I don't entirely believe, mind you): the merging that occured with GameFAQs and GameSpot's accounts caused for a greater influx and a more varied base of now-visiting users here. While it most certainly doesn't explain every match that's gone different from our expectations, it may be something worth considering anyways.
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Knuckles doing so well spells good things for both Megaman and Sonic. Hilarious.

Of course, it'll be pointless if Tifa takes both out, but whatever.
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And I don't know why you think that... I think it will be a pretty close match. I mean, every match thus far has debunked our adjusting Mega Man upwards...

I didn't say I'm expecting Mega Man to blow Sonic out, but I do think he'll be able to win with anywhere between 53 - 55%.

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And Knuckles is not Sonic is he? I hate how people just do something idiotic like assuming that a character from the same series means something huge for all the characters. It's just absurd. They are not attached to each other.

*sigh*

Just because they aren't attatched to each other, doesn't mean there is NO relationship.
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I still have faith on my Tifa > Sonic upset.

The thing is, I should had put Tifa over MM as well. Well maybe not. But if she beats Sonic, why would she lose to MM?
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Can't believe I'm about to say this, but...

Magus: 2005's Ultimate Loser?

Wow. Maybe there really are 500 characters better than Magus. XD

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Anyone think Pac-man can beat Ocelot? Stranger things have happened...

I certainly hope so. That was going to be my big upset while the rest of my bracket was cookie-cutter. With what's happening now though, my pac-man upset feels almost useless...

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Sonic will beat Mega Man.

...Hell, if today's any indication, our finals could end up being Mario/Sonic or Samus/Sonic 0_o
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I didn't say I'm expecting Mega Man to blow Sonic out, but I do think he'll be able to win with anywhere between 53 - 55%.

I am going to refrain from commenting, lest I make a fool of myself again... I'll just say I disagree wholeheartedly.
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Just because they aren't attatched to each other, doesn't mean there is NO relationship.

It's absolutely, positively ridiculous to assume that Knuckles doing well suddenly makes Sonic look even better than before. Hell, if you want to look at it, this HELPS Mega Man in the sense that Knuckles is making his adjusted ranking look good as opposed to his unadjusted ranking. But I haven't a clue why someone would be blaming this almost entirely on Magus. Him being overrated isn't surprising at all, but Knuckles somehow increasing by a ton would be.

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It's absolutely, positively ridiculous to assume that Knuckles doing well suddenly makes Sonic look even better than before. Hell, if you want to look at it, this HELPS Mega Man in the sense that Knuckles is making his adjusted ranking look good as opposed to his unadjusted ranking. But I haven't a clue why someone would be blaming this almost entirely on Magus. Him being overrated isn't surprising at all, but Knuckles somehow increasing by a ton would be.

I'm not saying I agree that this makes Sonic look good in this case. I think Sonic will beat Mega Man simply because every other match has made Mega Man look like he shouldn't have been adjusted. I doubt Knuckles actually increased. However, I'm saying that in other cases, if one character from a game increases, it's not farfetched to think the MAIN character from the same game did also.
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I'll just say I disagree wholeheartedly.

I would expect you to disagree. I realize that you like Sonic a lot -- I can't say I'm the same -- and that you would think differently. After all, I'm not being unbiased in my choice either.

But I just don't see how this particular match is making Sonic somehow look so much better than he did before. It isn't as though he had the advantage to begin with.

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I still believe that Sonic would beat Mega Man even before seeing this match. Now, my predictions look to be even stronger.

Sure, Mega Man can win still, but it's not look to good right about now.
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well, I see nobody cares about my last post.

I'll just make you remind it when she does wins.
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But I just don't see how this particular match is making Sonic somehow look so much better than he did before. It isn't as though he had the advantage to begin with.

Again, I don't think this match says anything for Sonic vs Mega Man. I was just commenting on your comment towards someone else.
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Well, it's generally accepted after today that Ganondorf and possibly Zelda increased with Link. I don't see what's so farfetched about Sonic going up with Knuckles.
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However, I'm saying that in other cases, if one character from a game increases, it's not farfetched to think the MAIN character from the same game did also.

So if one particular character decreases, should we be expecting Crono to be weaker than he was before as well? I don't see why in the world we should, but I know you'll probably say yes anyway. Yes, fine, it's okay to throw the idea out there, but these characters are not attached in such a fashion that if one increases that means the other from the game/series are in store for a similar boost.

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Sure, Mega Man can win still, but it's not look to good right about now.

. . .

Explain to me how this makes Mega Man look worse than before? If you want to play that game, this match makes Mega Man look good due to the adjustment looking more accurate for Knuckles.

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After today, I'm sure that at least Mario or Samus will beat Crono.
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So if one particular character decreases, should we be expecting Crono to be weaker than he was before as well? I don't see why in the world we should, but I know you'll probably say yes anyway. Yes, fine, it's okay to throw the idea out there, but these characters are not attached in such a fashion that if one increases that means the other from the game/series are in store for a similar boost.

I don't think Magus actually did decrease though. I think this just reinforces that little theory I had about groups of three characters getting 50% on each other will not appear to be equal when they face other people. Which is funny, as I had no logic behind that theory in the first place.
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And Knuckles is above 2000. Magus last chance is now gone.
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Well, it's generally accepted after today that Ganondorf and possibly Zelda increased with Link. I don't see what's so farfetched about Sonic going up with Knuckles.

And Sephiroth's decrease means that Cloud should have decreased last year then? Or that Crono's increasing every year meant that Magus would have also benefited? Seriously, characters are not attached as much as some of you people want to believe. There needs to be something that is going to increase the entire series before thinking that they'll all receive random increases for no reason at all. These characters are on their own.


There is more of a reason for those Zelda characters increasing from a game than it is for no reason at all.

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This match is getting me in the mood to play a Sonic game.
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