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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 196
From: Master Moltar | Posted: 8/10/2005 9:40:26 AM | Message Detail
Nah, we'll have a couple perfects left. Probably favorites. 0's are gone though.

And Vincent > Crono is now looking realistic, but we should definitely wait until his match with Magus.

Then again, this might just be a Magus thing instead of a CT in whole thing.

One more note, I expect Frog to dissappoint against Samus, but I really did think Magus and Frog were going to end up so close together.
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Magus vs. Knuckles - Bracket: Magus - Vote: Knuckles (20/22)
From: Keno316 | Posted: 8/10/2005 9:40:42 AM | Message Detail
we could conceivably have a Mario/Sonic final that is actually in question. How kickass would that be?

Or Sonic/Samus...Again...
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From: Terran | Posted: 8/10/2005 9:41:08 AM | Message Detail
You know, with the way that Old Square characters are getting hammered, coupled with Knuckles' stellar performance, we could conceivably have a Mario/Sonic final that is actually in question. How kickass would that be?

Don't paint Crono with the same brush as Frog, Magus and Kefka. Crono has shown in the past that he's special. The rest of them have never amounted to much in the past.

Plus Sonic has to go through Mega Man which is no easy task.

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From: Janus5000 | Posted: 8/10/2005 9:42:02 AM | Message Detail
*wakes up and checks poll*

Yeah, I was afraid of that.

KNUCKLES > GANONDORF
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From: Keno316 | Posted: 8/10/2005 9:43:02 AM | Message Detail
And Vincent > Crono is now looking realistic, but we should definitely wait until his match with Magus.

*looks at poll*

What match with Magus?!
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From: therealmnm | Posted: 8/10/2005 9:43:32 AM | Message Detail
although it does piss me off quite severely that a character with no real back story or character besides "cool" is winning.

Crono, Mario, Bowser, Sonic... They don't need backstories to be strong in this contest.

Knuckles actually HAS more backstory than all of them...
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From: jonthomson | Posted: 8/10/2005 9:43:55 AM | Message Detail
Knuckles gained almost 200 votes in the last half hour. Keep up that pace for another couple of hours and he should be home.

And I don't know who to rank at #16 in the losers list for Flood/Devil right now, there's just so much competition.
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From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 8/10/2005 9:44:58 AM | Message Detail
Don't paint Crono with the same brush as Frog, Magus and Kefka. Crono has shown in the past that he's special. The rest of them have never amounted to much in the past.

Getting 48% on Snake and 35% on Link doesn't amount to much? Granted, Kefka hasn't done a whole lot, but the two CT characters have.
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From: Master Moltar | Posted: 8/10/2005 9:45:34 AM | Message Detail
And Vincent > Crono is now looking realistic, but we should definitely wait until his match with Magus.

*looks at poll*

What match with Magus?!


His match with Dante, my bad.
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Magus vs. Knuckles - Bracket: Magus - Vote: Knuckles (20/22)
From: Terran | Posted: 8/10/2005 9:45:43 AM | Message Detail
And Vincent > Crono is now looking realistic, but we should definitely wait until his match with Magus.

Then again, this might just be a Magus thing instead of a CT in whole thing.


To put it this way, the year that Magus barely beat Ganondorf before losing something along the lines of 70% to 30% against Link, Crono came within 140 votes of beating Mario (whom Crono finally beat the year after that).

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From: therealmnm | Posted: 8/10/2005 9:45:48 AM | Message Detail
It would have to be between Magus and Kerrigan.
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From: Keno316 | Posted: 8/10/2005 9:48:39 AM | Message Detail
Well, as things stand so far, Kefka sucks. Frog has been anomalous, and Magus we never had that much clear information it seems.

Crono has really been the only shining star from that bunch who has been consistently strong and we have solid numbers on...
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From: Terran | Posted: 8/10/2005 9:49:49 AM | Message Detail
Getting 48% on Snake and 35% on Link doesn't amount to much? Granted, Kefka hasn't done a whole lot, but the two CT characters have.

I don't call 35% on Link a huge accomplishment but yah, I guess I downplayed Frog a bit much.

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From: jonthomson | Posted: 8/10/2005 9:49:53 AM | Message Detail
From: Master Moltar | Posted: 8/10/2005 5:40:26 PM | #351
And Vincent > Crono is now looking realistic, but we should definitely wait until his match with Magus.

Ignoring the typo, I still love the way people are writing Vincent's name on a final four ticket despite the fact he's only performed very well in one match against an opponent of unknown strength.
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From: DeathChicken | Posted: 8/10/2005 9:50:36 AM | Message Detail
Can someone please tell me how they're possibly judging Vincent to be so absurdly strong, based on his rampaging Kerrigan, a new character we had no data on whatsoever?
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From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 8/10/2005 9:51:33 AM | Message Detail
In terms of vote totals, what are we on track for? I hope it's not anything too high...
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From: MarioGolfMaster | Posted: 8/10/2005 9:52:18 AM | Message Detail
Damn! I had Knuckles>Magus, but I changed it when I read about how strong Magus is. Now, Knuckles looks lik he will probably win.
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From: Shadow Dino | Posted: 8/10/2005 9:52:28 AM | Message Detail
It's basically a guess based on Final Fantasy 7
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From: Crono801 | Posted: 8/10/2005 9:52:29 AM | Message Detail
Getting 79% on an opponent of any strength is impressive.

Also, Magus is undoubtedly the biggest loser of the entire contest. Knuckles is the biggest bracket buster since Starcraft.
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From: Keno316 | Posted: 8/10/2005 9:52:55 AM | Message Detail
The question now is, how much will Knuckles win by today?
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From: Gordon Finish | Posted: 8/10/2005 9:53:11 AM | Message Detail
I usually don't come here anymore since everything is perfectly clear to me already.

I yield. I'm lost. Does anyone have an explanation, no matter how far fetched, to explain Knuckles > Magus?

~Shake
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From: Slowflake | Posted: 8/10/2005 9:53:42 AM | Message Detail
In a nutshell, if Kerrigan = Freeman, Vincent = the likes of Sonic, Zero, or Ganondorf.
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From: Keno316 | Posted: 8/10/2005 9:54:09 AM | Message Detail
Also, Magus is undoubtedly the biggest loser of the entire contest. Knuckles is the biggest bracket buster since Starcraft.

Actually glad to see such a large bracket buster. Been so long.
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From: Master Moltar | Posted: 8/10/2005 9:54:19 AM | Message Detail
Ignoring the typo, I still love the way people are writing Vincent's name on a final four ticket despite the fact he's only performed very well in one match against an opponent of unknown strength.

Which is why I said to wait until his match with *Dante. Vincent looked extremely impreesive in his match with Kerrigan, and all I said that it very well could happen.
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Magus vs. Knuckles - Bracket: Magus - Vote: Knuckles (20/22)
From: dragoontheguy | Posted: 8/10/2005 9:54:52 AM | Message Detail
I yield. I'm lost. Does anyone have an explanation, no matter how far fetched, to explain Knuckles > Magus?

Magus RSFF'd crono for this match to make any sense apparently. Even non-adjusted magus was slightly ahead of knuckles.
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From: Slowflake | Posted: 8/10/2005 9:55:17 AM | Message Detail
From: Gordon Finish | Posted: 8/10/2005 12:53:11 PM | #371
I usually don't come here anymore since everything is perfectly clear to me already.

I yield. I'm lost. Does anyone have an explanation, no matter how far fetched, to explain Knuckles > Magus?

~Shake


Simple. Lloyd and Diablo will both pull in 45% of the vote in round 2, causing the planet to overheat, fry all life from the surface before exploding in a mighty blaze of magma.
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From: yoblazer33 | Posted: 8/10/2005 9:55:37 AM | Message Detail
Heh, good thing I believe Kerrigan is weaker than Gordon.
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From: Tediz247 | Posted: 8/10/2005 9:55:57 AM | Message Detail
I yield. I'm lost. Does anyone have an explanation, no matter how far fetched, to explain Knuckles > Magus?

There is no explanation for this, so people need to stop trying to force one. Just sit back and enjoy it.
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From: Slowflake | Posted: 8/10/2005 9:56:07 AM | Message Detail
From: dragoontheguy | Posted: 8/10/2005 12:54:52 PM | #375
I yield. I'm lost. Does anyone have an explanation, no matter how far fetched, to explain Knuckles > Magus?

Magus RSFF'd crono for this match to make any sense apparently. Even non-adjusted magus was slightly ahead of knuckles.


But then, even though the Fisher match makes more sense, Magus fluking a win over Ganondorf AND 35% on Link?
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From: Keno316 | Posted: 8/10/2005 9:56:08 AM | Message Detail
Magus RSFF'd crono for this match to make any sense apparently. Even non-adjusted magus was slightly ahead of knuckles.

Really, REALLY have a hard time buying that...

Maybe Knuckles is just an anomaly we never saw do to Solid Snake...
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From: dragoontheguy | Posted: 8/10/2005 9:57:01 AM | Message Detail
Really, REALLY have a hard time buying that...

Maybe Knuckles is just an anomaly we never saw do to Solid Snake...


I don't buy it either, I was semi-joking because this match is so incredibly unexplainable.
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From: Slowflake | Posted: 8/10/2005 9:57:30 AM | Message Detail
From: Keno316 | Posted: 8/10/2005 12:56:08 PM | #380
Magus RSFF'd crono for this match to make any sense apparently. Even non-adjusted magus was slightly ahead of knuckles.

Really, REALLY have a hard time buying that...

Maybe Knuckles is just an anomaly we never saw do to Solid Snake...


If it was the case, Knuckles wouldn't be the single most consistent entry ever. Up until today, of course.
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From: Crono801 | Posted: 8/10/2005 9:58:10 AM | Message Detail
Knuckles/Squall may be more telling.

...if Squall makes it to round two. I'm not sure of anything any more.
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From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 8/10/2005 9:58:28 AM | Message Detail
Though I hate to say it again...cheating better not play a role in this outcome. I mean, I know the majority of this is due to Magus' weakness to even make it this close...but there's too much buzz about cheating to make me very comfortable about reassuring that there likely isn't. Especially after Vercetti/Kefka.
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From: jonthomson | Posted: 8/10/2005 9:58:34 AM | Message Detail
From: Slowflake | Posted: 8/10/2005 5:53:42 PM | #372
In a nutshell, if Kerrigan = Freeman, Vincent = the likes of Sonic, Zero, or Ganondorf.

That I can live with.

I had a quick look on sc2k5 but didn't see anything - have we got any matches which have RPG main characters against non-main characters from a more popular game?
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From: Master Moltar | Posted: 8/10/2005 9:58:35 AM | Message Detail
At 9:55, this match has 43,766

Ganon/Yuna - 46100
Vivi/Zelda - 45072
Kerrigan/Vincent - 44585

If it picks up, this match could break 100K, which is pretty good for a Magus match.
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Magus vs. Knuckles - Bracket: Magus - Vote: Knuckles (20/22)
From: Slowflake | Posted: 8/10/2005 9:59:21 AM | Message Detail
C'mon, it's freaking Geno. If two unanimous BOP picks in a row both fail... I'll let fanfiction writers imagine their version of the apocalypse based on polls on the internet.
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From: Terran | Posted: 8/10/2005 9:59:31 AM | Message Detail
I yield. I'm lost. Does anyone have an explanation, no matter how far fetched, to explain Knuckles > Magus?

I have to leave no, so a very quick remark without any direct evidence to back it up: Knuckles has typically been stronger then expected in the past. He usually beats at least one opponent that was assumed to be the favorite, and he sometimes does it despite having the worse seed.

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From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 8/10/2005 9:59:52 AM | Message Detail
If it picks up, this match could break 100K, which is pretty good for a Magus match.

Yeah, you see...that troubles me.
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From: Shadow Dino | Posted: 8/10/2005 9:59:52 AM | Message Detail
Yipes, this could get nuts...
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From: Samurai7 | Posted: 8/10/2005 10:00:04 AM | Message Detail
Explanation

Snake SFF'd Knuckles >.>
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From: Starion | Posted: 8/10/2005 10:00:08 AM | Message Detail
Isn't Knuckle's consistency mostly based on all of his Snake matches? Perhaps he's only steady against the stealthy reptile man and not against everyone else.
From: TheCruelAngel | Posted: 8/10/2005 10:00:23 AM | Message Detail
I wake up and, as expected, Knuckles is leading by around 1000 votes. Awesome. ^_^

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From: Terran | Posted: 8/10/2005 10:01:59 AM | Message Detail
Though I hate to say it again...cheating better not play a role in this outcome

That's not likely. Knuckles lead is too significant. Both sides probably have multiple guys cheating for them but when all is said and done niether side has more cheaters then the other to account for a 1,000 vote difference. Maybe if this finishes within 100 you have cause to wonder, but win by more then that and it's pretty safe to assume that cheating didn't get the final say.

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From: yoblazer33 | Posted: 8/10/2005 10:02:07 AM | Message Detail
Heh, last time I looked, Knuckles was up by ~500, and he's practically doubled that in the last hour. If anything is clear, it's that Magus won't be coming back in this match, not when Knuckles still has at least another four-five hours to gain.
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From: Samurai7 | Posted: 8/10/2005 10:02:15 AM | Message Detail
How do knuckles matches usually go in vote totals?
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From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 8/10/2005 10:02:22 AM | Message Detail
Good God, he's about to crack 1000. To overcome this, Magus would need to have a night vote on a par with...well, Frog. <_>
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From: jonthomson | Posted: 8/10/2005 10:02:58 AM | Message Detail
From: Terran | Posted: 8/10/2005 6:01:59 PM | #394
Though I hate to say it again...cheating better not play a role in this outcome

That's not likely. Knuckles lead is too significant.


More accurately, Knuckles' lead is increasing quickly enough that it's not likely to be cheating. There's no significant fluctuation here.
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From: Slowflake | Posted: 8/10/2005 10:03:14 AM | Message Detail
From: Starion | Posted: 8/10/2005 1:00:08 PM | #392
Isn't Knuckle's consistency mostly based on all of his Snake matches? Perhaps he's only steady against the stealthy reptile man and not against everyone else.

Snake isn't exactly consistent himself, yet somehow Knuckles seems to adjust himself every year. Example: Snake peaked in 2003, the year where he did better on Knuckles than at any other time. Then there's 2002, where he barely broke 60% on Knuckles. The assumption that Snake 2002 = Snake 2003 is pretty much wrong, because apparently CJayC left in a few thousands worth of stuffed votes in Mario/Crono 2002. And then there's 2004... no comment.
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From: dragoontheguy | Posted: 8/10/2005 10:03:29 AM | Message Detail
At the rate this is going knux well win with about 5,000 votes before the night vote barring an amazing comeback by magus near the end. That's way to significant a lead for cheating.
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