I meant Magus/Squall ;_; Rough Night.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
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Man.. Do I wish the match for Dante vs. Vincent is tomorrow so we can finally get over it and see where Vincent stands..

Nah I feel like repeating the same thing over and over again since we have no new facts.
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Charmander, this isnt even close to the Cloud/Link before this contest. That argument went on for WEEKS.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Tripling Gordon Freeman.

I'd still say Vinny and Bowser are favorites at the moment, though.
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Hey guys, remind me to make a "Let's laugh at Charmander" topic when Vincent beats Dante.
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Not Shake.
God bless The Great George Romero, the true winner of the 2k5 Summer Contest.

Bowser did exactly what he was supposed to do, though.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Tripling Gordon Freeman.

Hey guys, remind me to make a "Let's laugh at Charmander" topic when Vincent beats Dante.

Why?? He already said that Vincent does have the edge but we just don't know for sure yet..

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Charmander, this isnt even close to the Cloud/Link before this contest. That argument went on for WEEKS.

We'll probably get side tracked during few matchs, but I expect to have another "discussion" on it on Tifa's match.

Hey guys, remind me to make a "Let's laugh at Charmander" topic when Vincent beats Dante.

With all the arguements I put this topic through I'm expecting a few topics.
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"All I'm saying is that if people really wanted seph to lose so badly they wouldn't have voted for him in every match leading up to his last two."

But that possibility far from escapes logic. Fact of the matter is that some people don't hate Sephiroth, they just don't wnat to see FF7 win all the time. That means they wouldn't anti-vote him until somebody who could actually win comes along... Someone like Bowser (Aka Mario Proxy) or Ganon (Aka Link Proxy). And yes, those characters would very likely gain in strength due to their leads being absent, Ganon is very much proof that Link fans will rally behind anything related to him if he isn't there.

"FF7 does get some hate, but not nearly as much as you seem to be claiming."

It's not really hate, just that they think FF7 always wins everything and that they don't want to see that happen all the time (they're clueless to the fact that it doesn't happen all the time, just like they are clueless to Kefka being weak. They've gotten better at the contest but some blind spots never go away).

"I've already told you why."

You said one thing we've agreed is specualtion and one thing that is clearly false. I can't help it that your arguments are both incomplete and incorrect.

"My argument is every bit as valid as yours"

It lacks any substance whatsoever, ergo it is not.

"and trying to belittle it as being completely wrong doesn't make yours look any better"

No, but it makes you realize you're getting the short end of the argument stick here. Now if only you could pay attention long enough to realize why. Hint: It's because your argument doesn't exist outside of "I disagree".

"Your argument is also based off of one piece of speculation."

No, it's based of of several pieces of speculation. I never claimed it wasn't, and if it wasn't we wouldn't be having this argument.

"I don't see any reason for these people to vote for sephiroth in over half of his matches if they don't want to see him win."

And once again you summarize your argument by including your whole argument in one sentence. You don't see any reason for it to be that way. It's your opinion that it shouldn't be. Instead of actually having substance of any sort you've used your own opinion as the basis for your argument... to me that's a non-argument.
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"You know whats funny. Of all three of the new entries this year from SNES RPGs, Geno has a chance of being the strongest. Who saw that coming?"

Me, since 2k3. I think I infact said that I thought geno had a shot at beating Magus when Slow made a mock 2k4 bracket. Yes, I went high with all my expectations back then, but I'd stil lhave put him over any of the SNES RPG characters that are new this year.
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"I meant fourth strongest FFX character."

Yeah, I realized hat afterwards but was too busy to say as much. Yes, it'd be funny.
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You know what's sad?

If Rikku's 7 seed spot was switched with Agent 47, she could've possibly beat Sora and Alucard. ;_;
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I really dont think Geno is fodder. I dont know, SMRPG was the highest selling RPG ever at the time (Someone mentioned FF, but SMRPG outsold FF in JAPAN. FF didnt get popular really until FFIII in Japan). It has the Nintendo fanbase behind it and I think thats enough to get Geno out of fodderland, but not by much.
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But that possibility far from escapes logic. Fact of the matter is that some people don't hate Sephiroth, they just don't wnat to see FF7 win all the time. That means they wouldn't anti-vote him until somebody who could actually win comes along... Someone like Bowser (Aka Mario Proxy) or Ganon (Aka Link Proxy). And yes, those characters would very likely gain in strength due to their leads being absent, Ganon is very much proof that Link fans will rally behind anything related to him if he isn't there.

So how big of a boost do you think this gave bowser and gannong exactly? I'd be interested in knowing before going any further.

It's not really hate, just that they think FF7 always wins everything and that they don't want to see that happen all the time (they're clueless to the fact that it doesn't happen all the time, just like they are clueless to Kefka being weak. They've gotten better at the contest but some blind spots never go away).

You're entitled to your opinion, but I don't think sephiroth would get massively anti-voted just because some people don't want to see him since he's from ff7. If that was the case then that would happen in every match he has some sort of chance at losing, wouldn't it? And if it did wouldn't that sort of play into his actual strength?

"I've already told you why."

You said one thing we've agreed is specualtion and one thing that is clearly false. I can't help it that your arguments are both incomplete and incorrect.

It lacks any substance whatsoever, ergo it is not.

Where is this apparent substance that yours has that mine apparently doesn't?

No, but it makes you realize you're getting the short end of the argument stick here. Now if only you could pay attention long enough to realize why. Hint: It's because your argument doesn't exist outside of "I disagree".

Well bowser and gannon weren't that far away from being capable of bracking 40% on seph in 2k3, so I see no reason why they couldn't be strong enough to now when seph has taken a small dive in popularity from 2k3 to 2k4. Aside from that I don't think people who like FF7 enough to vote for sephiroth would all of the sudden turn agauinst him when he might lose. It just seems sort of absurd to me.

No, it's based of of several pieces of speculation. I never claimed it wasn't, and if it wasn't we wouldn't be having this argument.

Both arguments are based off of the same opinionated stances that lack any real evidence. Neither is really any more valid then the other, they're just our opinions on the matter. Neither are really attestable facts as of yet. Gannon was nearly strong enough to get 40% on 2k4seph in 2k3, so why couldn't he be legitimately strong enough to do so now though?

And once again you summarize your argument by including your whole argument in one sentence. You don't see any reason for it to be that way. It's your opinion that it shouldn't be. Instead of actually having substance of any sort you've used your own opinion as the basis for your argument... to me that's a non-argument.

I've given reasons for my opinion. It goes beyond "I disagree". I've already told you why gannon breaking 40% on seph isn't really that surprising, but you seem to insist that I'm not providing any real argument. I wouldn't have to repeat my argument at the end of each post if you didn't keep ignoring it, and brushing it off as not being a real argument for no real reason. Can we just drop this absurd bit of the debate? Arguing over what does or doesn't have any real substance is irrelevent. If my opinion is really so invalid then tell me why with actual reasons.
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Anybody have a link to the match updates for Magus vs. Ganon?

http://geocities.com/cyber1166/gamefaqs/03Summer/GanonVSMagusUpdates.txt
http://members.shaw.ca/teamrocketelite/GanondorfvsMagus.txt

Remember that matches started 2 hours earlier in 2k3 when looking at these updates.

Someone mentioned FF, but SMRPG outsold FF in JAPAN. FF didnt get popular really until FFIII in Japan

Wasn't SMRPG released after FF3?
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Top 10 Closest Matches (difference in percentage)

1) 2.28% - Tommy Vercetti over Kefka
2) 3.34% - Frog over Riku
3) 9.38% - Lloyd Irving over Albert Wesker
4) 10.28% - Ness over Carl Johnson
5) 11.04% - Alucard over Kratos
6) 11.44% - Ryu over Rikku
7) 19.12% - Zelda over Vivi
8) 22.40% - Ganondorf over Yuna
9) 26.00% - Zero over Ryu Hayabusa
10) 29.52% - Donkey Kong over Sam Fisher


Top 10 Smallest Vote Gaps (difference in votes)

1) 2245 - Tommy Vercetti over Kefka
2) 3149 - Frog over Riku
3) 7952 - Lloyd Irving over Albert Wesker
4) 10036 - Alucard over Kratos
5) 10237 - Ness over Carl Johnson
6) 12156 - Ryu over Rikku
7) 20023 - Zelda over Vivi
8) 23736 - Zero over Ryu Hayabusa
9) 23973 - Ganondorf over Yuna
10) 25725 - Donkey Kong over Sam Fisher

Top 10 Biggest Blowouts (difference in percentage)

1) 74.68% - Samus Aran over Yuri Hyuga
2) 68.18% - Solid Snake over Manny Calavera
3) 61.78% - Mario over Joanna Dark
4) 53.44% - Crono over Zidane
5) 50.42% - Kirby over Cecil
6) 45.08% - Tidus over King of All Cosmos
7) 43.00% - Dante over Terra
8) 42.94% - Auron over Big Boss
9) 41.46% - Sora over Agent 47
10) 37.66% - Master Cheif over CATS

Top 10 Biggest Vote Gaps (difference in votes)

1) 63680 - Samus Aran over Yuri Hyuga
2) 62487 - Solid Snake over Manny Calavera
3) 61244 - Mario over Joanna Dark
4) 51944 - Crono over Zidane
5) 45621 - Tidus over King of All Cosmos
6) 45289 - Kirby over Cecil
7) 41727 - Dante over Terra
8) 40639 - Auron over Big Boss
9) 36552 - Sora over Agent 47
10) 35576 - Master Cheif over CATS

Top 10 Most Popular Polls (by vote totals)

1) 106979 - Ganondorf vs. Yuna
2) 106264 - Ryu vs. Rikku
3) 104671 - Vivi vs. Zelda
4) 101195 - Tidus vs. King of All Cosmos
5) 100496 - Bowser vs. Chun-Li
6) 99525 - Ness vs. Carl Johnson
7) 99126 - Mario vs. Joanna Dark
8) 98085 - Kefka vs. Tommy Vercetti
9) 97216 - Crono vs. Zidane
10) 97031 - Dante vs, Terra

Top 10 Least Popular Polls (by vote totals)

1) 84794 - Lloyd Irving vs. Albert Wesker
2) 85306 - Samus Aran vs. Yuri Hyuga
3) 87141 - Donkey Kong vs. Sam Fisher
4) 88144 - Sora vs. Agent 47
5) 89823 - Kirby vs. Cecil
6) 90928 - Kratos vs. Alucard
7) 91278 - Zero vs. Ryu Hayabusa
8) 91639 - Solid Snake vs. Manny Calavera
9) 94059 - Riku vs. Frog
10) 94468 - Master Cheif vs. CATS


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Top 10 Highest Individual Votes

1) 80185 - Mario
2) 77063 - Solid Snake
3) 74580 - Crono
4) 74493 - Samus Aran
5) 73408 - Tidus
6) 67639 - Auron
7) 67556 - Kirby
8) 66227 - Bowser
9) 65476 - Ganondorf
10) 65022 - Master Cheif

Top 10 Lowest Individual Votes

1) 10813 - Yuri Hyuga
2) 14576 - Manny Calavera
3) 18941 - Joanna Dark
4) 22267 - Cecil
5) 22636 - Zidane
6) 25796 - Agent 47
7) 27000 - Big Boss
8) 27652 - Terra
9) 27787 - King of All Cosmos
10) 29446 - CATS

Top 10 Most Impressive Losers (by votes)

1) 47920 - Kefka
2) 47054 - Rikku
3) 45455 - Riku
4) 44644 - Carl Johnson
5) 42324 - Vivi
6) 41503 - Yuna
7) 40446 - Kratos
8) 38421 - Albert Wesker
9) 34269 - Chun-Li
10) 33771 - Ryu Hayabusa

Top 10 Least Impressive Winners (by votes)

1) 46373 - Lloyd Irving
2) 48604 - Frog
3) 50165 - Tommy Vercetti
4) 50482 - Alucard
5) 54881 - Ness
6) 56433 - Donkey Kong
7) 57507 - Zero
8) 59210 - Ryu
9) 62347 - Zelda
10) 62348 - Sora

Top 10 Easiest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner)

1) 97.98% - Solid Snake over Manny Calavera
2) 96.76% - Samus Aran over Yuri Hyuga
3) 96.53% - Mario over Joanna Dark
4) 92.20% - Master Cheif over CATS
4) 89.87% - Crono over Zidane
6) 88.33% - Dante over Terra
7) 88.07% - Bowser over Chun-Li
8) 87.53% - Kirby over Cecil
9) 86.55% - Ganondorf over Yuna
10) 85.46% - Tidus over King of All Cosmos

Top 10 Hardest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner)

1) 37.66% - Tommy Vercetti over Kefka
2) 51.31% - Alucard over Kratos
3) 51.90% - Ness over Carl Johnson
4) 53.08% - Frog over Riku
5) 53.88% - Lloyd Irving over Albert Wesker
6) 69.09% - Zero over Ryu Hayabusa
7) 71.08% - Donkey Kong over Sam Fisher
8) 74.98% - Ryu over Rikku
9) 76.81% - Zelda over Vivi
10) 76.97% - Auron over Big Boss


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typos.... ugh...

and btw - Vincent is currently on pace to get the highest individual vote total this round. and pretty much only Sonic (and maybe Squall or Tifa - both longshots) have a chance at breaking 80000 votes. even i didn't see that one coming.

and as for Geno, i believe that he will be absolute fodder, especially after seeing Cecil's performance. Squall will easily break 70% and probably just break 75%.

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Just for curiosity's sake, these are all of the characters who have broken 75,000 votes in a single match:

Cloud Strife (4 times)
Link (4 times)
Mega Man (2 times)
Sephiroth (6 times)
Mario (2 times)
Crono (2 times)
Solid Snake (2 times)
Samus Aran (2 times)

And now you can add Vincent to that list. For the record, the most votes Sonic has ever received in one match is 73,484 so he fell just short.
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Round 1: (7) Geno

Hm. This match is either going to just make or just miss 100k.
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This match is 800 ahead of Ness/CJ, so we should barely get 100K.
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and btw - Vincent is currently on pace to get the highest individual vote total this round. and pretty much only Sonic and (maybe Squall or Tifa - both longshots) have a chance at breaking 80%. even i didn't see that one coming.

Vincent isn't going to beat Mario's number. Right now he's about 1000 votes behind and with his percent dropping it's not going to help him.
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And now you can add Vincent to that list. For the record, the most votes Sonic has ever received in one match is 73,484 so he fell just short.

Things are really looking good for Vincent right now...
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Also, I think Vincent will just fall short of beating out Mario's vote total. Again, it'll be close, But we're likely only getting another 5000 votes total and he's 5000 off of Mario right now.
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"So how big of a boost do you think this gave bowser and gannong exactly?"

What? Math... now? Well, my head hurts but I'll speculate a little... Mind you this isn't for sure what I think because my head hurts, but it's in the area.

According to the least squared's Seph actually holds steady, and Bowser jumps to 34.79 while Ganon hits 35.97. Ganon, I believe, was over valued in 2k3 and shoul dbe dropped 2% ish. This means a 10-12% boost between the two, some of which could be attributed to legitimate growth but I wont. In other words, 1/10th of their strengths are due to something other than their past selves. To make it easier we'll call it Seph anti-votes.

"If that was the case then that would happen in every match he has some sort of chance at losing, wouldn't it?"

Yes, and those were the only two matches he had any chance of losing. Of course, he never had a real chance of losing those, but we'll pretend since even though they are getting better the general GFer just doesn't know that sorta thing.

"Where is this apparent substance that yours has that mine apparently doesn't?"

I have reasoning for my speculation beyond my simple opinion.

"Well bowser and gannon weren't that far away from being capable of bracking 40% on seph in 2k3,"

If respecively making 30% and 35% is your idea of close then I can't help you.

"so why couldn't he be legitimately strong enough to do so now though?"

Because before his match with Seph we had more reasons to believe that his 2k3 number was a fluke than to believe it was accurate (only occam's razor seems to keep that stats topic from crumbling before the might of the math I did on the matter).

"I've given reasons for my opinion."

What, that you don't think it should be that way? Good for you! Even the math you're pointing to still doesn't back you up, and you'd know as much if you went over it yourself.

"but you seem to insist that I'm not providing any real argument"

Can you blame me?

"I wouldn't have to repeat my argument at the end of each post if you didn't keep ignoring it"

I'm sorry if I ignore your baseless opinion. I'll keep the fact that I've done so in mind as I continue to do so.

"Can we just drop this absurd bit of the debate"

Not really. Now, I know I haven't gone over the math for you in detail, but that's because I've done it so many damn times that anyone inlined to know about it would. Frankly, there's as much reason to believe that Ganon is overrated as there is to believe he's not, and almost no reason to believe he was underrated or that Sephiroth should have taken such a substantial dive for no reason. The math just isn't there for you, pal, and there's no logical explanation to ignore the previous math in this situation.

"If my opinion is really so invalid then tell me why with actual reasons."

As long as you keep paying attention.
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So you can shoot your sword with power

Oh, and even though Sephiroth did have the Spring Contest, none of his 6 occurrences of breaking 75,000 came in it. Heh, two of them were Mega Man and Mario in 2003.
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Actually, Sephiroth broke 75,000 in 2003 in EVERY match except the championship match against Cloud.
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Good stuff, Woody Paige.

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"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Too bad it wasn't Sonic that fell away from the pack instead of SS... then our "nobility" could be based on something as simple as getting a 75k vote total in a single match.
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Too bad it wasn't Sonic that fell away from the pack instead of SS... then our "nobility" could be based on something as simple as getting a 75k vote total in a single match.

If Knuckles vs. Akira took place during 2k3 he would get over 75k so would you consider him elite?
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Noble Nine? More like Noble None.
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I'd just like to think that there is an Elite Eight and be done with it. The term "Noble Nine" has always been stupid both in name and execution. Solid Snake is going to drop off of it this year, anyway.

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"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Tifa has a serious chance of eliminating a member of the 'Noble Nine' as well.
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Guys, help me with this please. Is Cjay's message about Kefka's cheated votes anywhere or does someone have it achived? This newbie was debating to me how TV cheated more then Kefka did and Kefka got robbed. He is pissing me off so bad and I want to show him what Cjay said. Thanks.
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"If Knuckles vs. Akira took place during 2k3 he would get over 75k so would you consider him elite?"

Notice the lack of the word elite... and quit trying to justify your rd 2 Dante pick.
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We should just call it the Spectacular Six (or something...) and be done with it, as it seems like Cloud, Link, Sephiroth, Samus, Crono, and Mario are distancing themselves from Mega Man and Sonic as well. You could pretty much consider them high tier near-elites. It might not be too long before someone outside of the group could knock one of them off, but I don't see anyone else touching those six.
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We've had this argument too many times and what I said before still stands, we should just clal them the elite and quit being concerned with what numebr there are. It is, after all, the only term we can agree upon when mentioning them as a group.
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I stand by the Sinister Six.
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Sexay Six.
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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 8/9/2005 10:04:16 PM | #238
We should just call it the Spectacular Six (or something...) and be done with it, as it seems like Cloud, Link, Sephiroth, Samus, Crono, and Mario are distancing themselves from Mega Man and Sonic as well. You could pretty much consider them high tier near-elites. It might not be too long before someone outside of the group could knock one of them off, but I don't see anyone else touching those six.

We might have to add Tifa and Vincent after this contest, so we should just stick with Elite Eight.

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Mega Man did slightly better than Mario against Sephiroth. I really don't think they are that much apart, although I feel Mario would take Mega Man easily. Indirectly, their strength is about the same.

After that, everyone is bunched up. Zero was able to get nearly 48% on Sonic and performed better against Mega Man than Snake. Auron beat Scorpion by more than Zero was able to. Bowser and Ganondorf are up there. If you include Ganondorf, you have to include Magus. Ryu is also somewhere in there... You can't really seperate the ranks...
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From: Tjian | Posted: 8/9/2005 11:02:59 PM | Message Detail
Guys, help me with this please. Is Cjay's message about Kefka's cheated votes anywhere or does someone have it achived? This newbie was debating to me how TV cheated more then Kefka did and Kefka got robbed. He is pissing me off so bad and I want to show him what Cjay said. Thanks.

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Or just call them the Six Pack. >.>
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Guys, help me with this please. Is Cjay's message about Kefka's cheated votes anywhere or does someone have it achived? This newbie was debating to me how TV cheated more then Kefka did and Kefka got robbed. He is pissing me off so bad and I want to show him what Cjay said. Thanks.

You will probably be accused of faking the topics, but here they are anyways:

http://members.shaw.ca/teamrocketelite/KefkaVercetti/Original%20Adjustment.htm
http://members.shaw.ca/teamrocketelite/KefkaVercetti/Extra%20Notes.htm
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I'd go with the Smelly Six, 'cause there are six of them, and they smell so bad no one can even get close to them, let alone beat them.

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Hey, Kerrigan may be weaker than JC Denton...

Considering how I don't buy Kerrigan being all that popular to begin with, even among Starcraft fans (a picture like she got today doesn't help her case any, either), I wouldn't put it past her to be AROUND his level...but Kerrigan would still surely win that.


Comboed with Vincent's numbers today, she could pull Cloud-like numbers on him.

Calm down.


FACT or FICTION: When Magus utterly destroys Knuckles tomorrow, half the Vincent bandwagon will jump right over to Magus.

Fiction; Magus won't destroy Knuckles. =P I do think Magus isn't gonna leave the same impression Vincent did because of how it's all but certain Knuckles is gonna make a big gain through-out the day. People will likely see Magus dropping as Magus being weaker (unless Magus is absolutely blowing him out of the water).


Think of what would have happened if Ceej had stuck Kerrigan up against another 4 seed, like say, Ness.

I would have LOVED to see how much our board would have screwed that match up. I really wish Kerrigan would have had to face a 5-seeded Raiden, myself; the board would have been in absolute chaos today. He's SFF'd, under-estimated, the lower seed, from a weaker game, and hated upon by many...think of the numbers that would have been in Kerrigan's favor against Raiden as opposed to the already-high numbers she had behind her against Vincent on this board.

It woulda ****in' ruled.


I agree though that both Kerrigan and Terra waste valuable contest spots.

I'd argue otherwise. We'll likely never have to hear about a Kerrigan rally again (or Tassadar, or Zeratul, or Raynor, or MASS CARRIERS, or...what have you) to get some Starcraft character in the game. Meanwhile, Terra being in the contest made several of us "gurus" pick the upset and also gave us alot less reason to go on a Terra rally again (or Locke, or Celes, or Shadow, or Umaro, or...I'll stop); the only shot of a FF3/6 playable character to be as strong as Kefka now is Mog, and that's plenty debatable. You've already acknowledged the point that major rallies will cease though, so all is well.


People have said that FFVII never shows any signs of weakness...do you forget about the Spring Contest so soon?

So Bowser and Ganon got closer than expected...that doesn't change the fact that Sephiroth not only won the contest, but prevented anybody from cracking 42% on him. Here's a fun-fact for you: Link didn't do that in 2002. In fact, the character who got 43.35% on Link that year was Sephiroth. I wouldn't be so quick to say Sephiroth has shown weakness. [NOTE: I see yoblazer beat me to this point now. Damn you for making me waste my time, you...you time-waster you.]


http://rivendell.fortunecity.com/suikoden/587/images/vincent3.jpg

I have now realized that, despite having seen his picture plenty of times and played through FF7 several times, that Vincent has a robotic arm. ****in' weird.


And I remember people back in the day used to say that Sephiroth shouldn't increase because he was just an optional boss fight. But that's exactly the type of thing people come to a FAQ site for. Same logic as with Vincent.

That's actually great logic, and I don't think I've heard it be used before.

So who do you guys think is the bigger bomb in failing to meet their expected contest strength... Kuja or Kerrigan?

I'd say Kuja; the BOP had Kuja winning two rounds dominantly. With Kerrigan, it was fairly split against Vincent and wasn't expected to win even one match. Also add to it that Kuja is the weakest FF character to date.

Oh, and, uh...he lost to Master Hand. Kerrigan lost to Vincent.


What I've seen for the last 18 hours is the equivalence of the 1992 Dream Team crushing the Algerians by 70 points, walking up to their bench, and yelling "PWNED! OMG PWNED WE SO CALLED THIS!"

I am absolutely enjoyin' the visuals I'm gettin' with my imagination here. Thank you.


It wasn't like this was some extreme upset that we can all rub in everyone else's faces for missing. I sure didn't see RPGuy doing this when Ness kicked our collective asses, and I respect him for it.

Amen. RPGuy certainly did own us, and he's seemingly kept to himself about it. I like to think I've done the same with my Tails > VJ and MH > Kuja picks. Sure, I'll get to ribbing on Master Mage in due time, heh, but I'm not gonna worry 'bout it for now. When it comes though, just keep in mind it's all in jest bro.


ChichiriMuyo kicks all of your asses combined for that post, even if he's always inebriated.

I'm of the opinion that being inebriated makes him kick even more ass in his case. Heh, he reminds me of my brother...but more easily agitated, sober or otherwise. =P


Tell me, did I spend the whole day making fun of each and every one of you in return for you all condemning Harrich and myself in regards to Master Hand over Kuja? No.

Correct. I think we had the right to brag a lil' there though, considering the arguing and opposition we had...but I'm content with simply gettin' the upset right, myself. Even if we were to brag though, we wouldn't have complete reason; I don't think either one of us expected either MH or Kuja to be as horribly weak as they are. I think we both based it on thinkin' MH would be stronger than expected rather than Kuja being weaker.



Vincent's done very well for himself tonight; here's to hoping he keeps Kerrigan under 21%...not lookin' too likely though, even if it may be close.
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Notice the lack of the word elite... and quit trying to justify your rd 2 Dante pick.

What I said had nothing to do with Dante, it's that anybody can get a lot of votes against a weak character and enough voters
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I've been Pwned by KoaC. He really is the king of all cosmos.

Vincent doesn't have much of a chance to hold 79%

Does this still have a shot at 100000?

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Did the PS2's light just change color...?!