So Clinkeroth is the only other separate name eh?

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I don't feel the evidence is sufficient for Ganon, either. It's highly believable, which is why Magus is over Vincent in my bracket (*cries*) but I'm not convinced.

I think the spring contest allowed gannon to prove his metal to us, even if some people refuse to believe the stats from that contest. Through a static kefka diablo ranks around luigi and got under 35% on gannon. Gannon also broke 40% on sephiroth. I'd say both those things prove that he deserves to be where he is in the stats, but I suppose we'll need to wait for confirmation in this contest before everyone believes his strength.
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It took me about 20 minutes into FFVII to dislike Cloud. Coincidentally, that's all it took for me to dislike pretty much everything I noticed except for the music and Barret.
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What was wrong with Cloud in the beginning??? I thought the beginning was awesome.. =/

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Basically him saying "I don't care" about everything. I prefer people who take a stand and speak their mind on something, such as Barret.
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Even clinkeroth is seeing less use, since some people seem to think that Samus can beat Sephiroth now. For the same reason I'm not convinced by Ganon (which extends to Magus) I'm not inclined to believe that Seph loses his top 3 spot. This site is filled with drones that are so clueless that Link could beat Cloud 60/40 and they'd still say that FF7 always wins the next day. With that sort of mentality, and with no real elite characters to rally behind in the spring, Sephiroth was severely anti-voted.
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As much as I hate to say it, I really hope that Kerrigan is just Weak ***** of the Universe so Dante has a shot at Vincent and is then taken down my Magus. This division could be the undoing of my entire bracket as it has already cost me a point. Damn, wish I knew about Board 8 and all of the statistics and stuff BEFORE I filled in my contest form.
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I don't think seph was antivoted like many people think. He managed to absolutely crush everyone in his way even more then expecteduntil he had to face bowser and gannon. Up until that point he was looking stronger then ever. Especially when he absolutely destroyed liquid snake. The anti-FF7 sentiment isn't nearly as big on gamefaqs as this board might lead you to believe at times.
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"Basically him saying "I don't care" about everything. I prefer people who take a stand and speak their mind on something, such as Barret."

But he didn't care, he had no reason to. Sure, the world was supposedly dying, but even without Sephiroth there's fair reason to believe that the corrupt society that Midgar had become would have fallen under its own weight before the planet actually died... and besides, as we know all resources are renewable in time, even if that time is a million years without human. A planet will survive everything short of a huge cataclysmic event like a meteor crashing into it... >_> Frankly, environmentalists are just worried about their ability to live on a planet, not the ability of said planet to survive. The planet would have held out longer than Cloud's life, which was torn asunder, so why should he care?
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I .. Let me make that clear... I don't think Samus will be able to take down Sephiroth this year or next year.

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"Life...Dreams...Hope...Where'd they come from? And where are they headed...? These things...I'm going to destroy!!" -Kefka

Basically him saying "I don't care" about everything. I prefer people who take a stand and speak their mind on something, such as Barret.

That's like the exact opposite of me.
I hate stubborn bastards like Barret, who will try to prove himself right using any means possible.

While I don't quite enjoy Cloud's I don't give a **** attitude, but I like how he gradually changed.

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"He managed to absolutely crush everyone in his way even more then expecteduntil he had to face bowser and gannon."

Because those two were rallying points. Not just because their heroes are who they are but because they were the absolute strongest competition he could face. They're litterally the only two that should benefit from the "FF7 always wins" mentality.
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I'm not saying he should, I'm just saying that he did nothing to make me like him. Maybe I should play more into it, but the battle system didn't do anything for me, and I HATE playing RPGs just to advance the story. It feels more like a chore than it does a game.
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While I don't quite enjoy Cloud's I don't give a **** attitude, but I like how he gradually changed.

Agrees

and because he cares ....


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He might die in AC due to geostigma


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"Life...Dreams...Hope...Where'd they come from? And where are they headed...? These things...I'm going to destroy!!" -Kefka

I .. Let me make that clear... I don't think Samus will be able to take down Sephiroth this year or next year.

My bracket sez the same. I believe a large portion of the casual voters might be chomping at the bit to vote for Sephy over a character that's already been thru six rounds; Link versus Cloud will have a HUGE turn-out for both sides regardless.

I .. Let me make that clear... I don't think Samus will be able to take down Sephiroth this year or next year.

Well I do.
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2005-08-09 20:00:00 19051 72252 20.87% 79.13% 91303 53201
2005-08-09 19:55:00 19002 72051 20.87% 79.13% 91053 53049
2005-08-09 19:50:00 18951 71844 20.87% 79.13% 90795 52893
2005-08-09 19:45:01 18889 71628 20.87% 79.13% 90517 52739
2005-08-09 19:40:01 18823 71409 20.86% 79.14% 90232 52586
2005-08-09 19:35:01 18763 71188 20.86% 79.14% 89951 52425
2005-08-09 19:30:00 18702 70950 20.86% 79.14% 89652 52248
2005-08-09 19:25:00 18625 70708 20.85% 79.15% 89333 52083
2005-08-09 19:20:00 18571 70476 20.86% 79.14% 89047 51905
2005-08-09 19:15:00 18500 70241 20.85% 79.15% 88741 51741
2005-08-09 19:10:00 18435 70021 20.84% 79.16% 88456 51586
2005-08-09 19:05:00 18394 69797 20.86% 79.14% 88191 51403
2005-08-09 19:00:01 18337 69562 20.86% 79.14% 87899 51225
2005-08-09 18:55:00 18275 69346 20.86% 79.14% 87621 51071
2005-08-09 18:50:00 18220 69126 20.86% 79.14% 87346 50906
2005-08-09 18:45:00 18165 68908 20.86% 79.14% 87073 50743
2005-08-09 18:40:00 18105 68683 20.86% 79.14% 86788 50578
2005-08-09 18:35:01 18038 68471 20.85% 79.15% 86509 50433
2005-08-09 18:30:01 17985 68248 20.86% 79.14% 86233 50263
2005-08-09 18:25:00 17925 68025 20.86% 79.14% 85950 50100

Looks like Vincent will end around 79.12 - 79.16

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"Life...Dreams...Hope...Where'd they come from? And where are they headed...? These things...I'm going to destroy!!" -Kefka

Yeah, but I'm saying that he's shouldn't be unlikeable because of that because he's much more realistic than Barret. Even people who stand up for what they believe don't take it to that extreme, and the ones who do wantonly hurt others for their own ideals be it wrong or right.

Besides, play more than 20 minutes and you'll realize that Cloud comes a long, long way before you're done.
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Because those two were rallying points. Not just because their heroes are who they are but because they were the absolute strongest competition he could face. They're litterally the only two that should benefit from the "FF7 always wins" mentality.

That mentality more or less doesn't exist outside this board. FF7 doesn't get anti-voted to the point where gannon or bowser well do significantly better against seph then they are capable of doing on anyone else around the same strength. Most people don't know enough about the contest to know who has the greates chance against sephiroth.

One more thing I don't understand. Why would they only anti-vote him in those two matches? Why not in every other match as well?
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"Well I do."

You also seem to think that Dante can still beat Vincent.
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Devil Division Round 1 - Match 23 – (3)Magus vs. (6)Knuckles the Echinda

Magus
Game/Series Known From: Chrono Trigger
Extrapolated Rank in 2002: N/A
Extrapolated Rank in 2003: 9th (34.93%)
Extrapolated Rank in 2004: 22nd (22.47%) Adjusted Value:9th (32.57%)
Seed in 2002: N/A
Seed in 2003: 13
Seed in 2004: 6
Lost in 2003 to Link in the Sweet 16
Lost in 2004 to Crono in Round 2

Magus finally gets the seed he deserves. I mean, 9th ranked in the Contest clearly doesn’t deserve a 13.

Knuckles
Game/Series Known From: Sonic
Extrapolated Rank in 2002: 15th (27.68%)
Extrapolated Rank in 2003: 24th (26.47%)
Extrapolated Rank in 2004: 24th (22.44%) Adjusted Value: 28th (24.94%)
Seed in 2002: 7
Seed in 2003: 8
Seed in 2004: 10
Lost in 2002 to Snake in Round 2
Lost in 2003 to Snake in Round 2
Lost in 2004 to Snake in Round 2

Knuckles not facing Snake in Round 2? Oh, it got worse my friend.

What was it Ceej? Was it the gliding? Was it the stealing your emeralds? Was it the emerald hunting stages? What was it that made you want Knuckles to suffer year after year in these Contests? The first 3 years he gets Snake in Round 2, and now he has Magus right off the bat? Wow, the Sonic team as a whole is looking bad. Robotnik bombing in the Spring, no Shadow, no Tails, Knuckles out early. At least Sonic is looking to get far.

Anyway, this match should be closer than most people are going to expect, but Magus should have no worries losing here. The Black Wind howls through.

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Magus will win.

Moltar’s Prediction is: Magus: 59% - Knuckles: 41%



Ulti’s Analysis

It's a foregone conclusion that Magus will win this match, but the true purpose of this match will be to FINALLY see whether or not Magus is overrated by the stats. Long story short, a few Squall fans are skewing the stats in Squall's favor in every way imaginable to prove that Squall will be able to defeat Magus in the second round, when they have to do little more than state that Squall is a new Square hero while Magus is an old Square side character. But more on that when the time comes.

As for Magus/Knuckles, if Magus wants to validate his 2003 strength, he needs to break 62% in this match. If he wants to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he can and will beat Squall, he needs to break 59% or more. That's a lot of room for error, but not much if you go by the 2003 stats (Squall's strongest year).

The sad thing about all of this is that Knuckles is my favorite Sonic character. It sucks to see him out in the first round for the first time ever, though if I HAD to pick a character that Magus was going to lose prematurely to, I'd pick Knuckles. Knux is awesome. Unfortunately, one of my favorites has to go out in their very first match.

Prediction: Magus with 63.25% (I know I'll likely overshoot this, but it's MAGUS; would you expect anything less from me? =p)



Soul’s Analysis

This match makes baby Jesus cry. Not only does Knuckles get out in the first round for the first time, he gets out by Magus. Now, I'm not bashing Magus because I actually think he's a pretty good character, but it's freaking Knuckles! Yeah, ok, I'm a Knux fanboy and I hate the fact that he was placed in an unwinnable place. I'll get over it in a year or two, so don't worry.

Anyways, back onto the match. As said earlier, there is no way that Knuckles could win. Magus is just too powerful to overcome. Magus defeated Ganondorf. Magus could possibly beat Solid Snake. Knuckles, well, can get 40% on Snake.

My prediction: Magus wins with 61.34% of the vote. Are you happy Magus fans? ARE YOU?!? *cries in a corner*



Outback’s Analysis

I hate Chrono Trigger.

Magus with 62.33%

Inviso’s Analysis

God, CJayC just finds more and more ways to screw Knuckles every year. Putting him against Yuna, and giving him the lower seed against Kefka, just to have him face Snake in the second round three times in a row. And now he’s not even going to get to win a single match. He’s facing Magus, who, in my last analysis, I said was top 12 material. He’s sadly going to have his way with poor Knuckles. Sonic’s gonna be the only character with any hopes of representing the Sonic series this time around, since Ceej snubbed both Shadow AND Tails, and gave Knuckles the equivalent of a 12 seed in the regular contest. How is it that Knuckles has gone from a 7 seed, to and 8 seed, to a 10 seed, to a 12 seed, after having never lost in the first round…EVER? It’s just not right. Hopefully the red echidna can hold his own and avoid ending up like Gordon in 2003.

My Bracket: Magus Zeal
My Vote: Knuckles the Echidna
My Prediction: Magus Zeal with 62.77%



Tnote’s Analysis

Barring a miracle, Knuckles will finally lose to a character who is not Solid Snake. Barring a statistical upset, Magus will be getting plastered for the second straight year in the SFF fest against Crono. The day vote actually will be fun to watch, as Knuckles is THE king of the day vote, and Chrono Trigger characters have always had trouble ‘winning’ the day vote. Look for Magus to jump out to 60%+ out of the gate, only to have Knuckles shave 5% off of it during the middle 12 hours. Magus will finish strong, and ultimately dispose of the echidna in yet another boring match. Bring on Luigi/KOS-MOS!!

Pick: Magus with 58.27%



Vlado’s Analysis

Magus vs. Knuckles the Echidna

This is a really cool division, isn't it? We have 5 Square characters, and just one of them will be really weak (Geno). Every indication points at 3 of them making it to Round 2 and 2 of them actually meeting in the finals. Knuckles had a bad draw here... In EACH other division, his chances of winning Round 1 would have been much bigger with his 6th seed. So, we'll lose one of the strong contestants here, while losers such as Lloyd Irving and Tommy Vercetti made it to Round 2... Oh well.

Knux is a contest veteran with quite some scalps hanging on his waist. In 2002, he obliterated Akira Yuki, in 2003, he owned Yuna in a pretty good style and in 2004, he beat Kefka. Solid Snake is his bane, though. In all three contests, Knuckles had to face him and, inevitably, lose. Well, this time at least he gets to lose against another opponent. And Magus is quite close to Snake's strength, so we can expect a rather similar result. To reiterate, it's a shame Knuckles will lose so early.

Magus is the favourite to win this division to everyone who's at least somewhat familiar with the X-Stats. Dante's a laughable top seed, almost as laughable as Kirby, and Squall has proven to be weaker than Magus. I think that Magus will have gotten even stronger than the previous years, as Chrono Trigger seems to constantly rise in popularity. And this time he's not facing Crono until Round 4 and this gives him a chance to truly shine, getting three wins. This will be the first one and this one is certain. His match against Squall will be somewhat of a test, the one against Vincent shouldn't be all that harder, but I think exactly Vincent's the one who can stop him, should the FFVII character live up to his potential in this contest. Anyway, Magus has this.

Predicted percentage: Magus with 62.30%.

It's too late for a long rant, maybe I'll do one tomorrow, but I personally thought Kerrigan would be really overrated, and I'm still leaving the topic for a little bit.

I hate all of you except for Sir Bormun, Team Rocket Elite,* and yoblazer.

Toodles.


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You also seem to think that Dante can still beat Vincent.

Well if Kerrigan really is a kuja type of a flop then it could still be close. I think vincent is the favourite now, don't get me wrong, but giving dante no chance is kind of ridiculous when Vincent has only faced one person who's strength (or lack there of) is unknown at the moment.
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I played closer to 5 hours, and like I said, I'm not gonna play more, because it feels like a chore, and I also don't care if Cloud is being more realistic, because I'm an optimist, and as unrealistic as Barret is, it's cool to see somebody at least trying to fight for something. At least that's the way I think.
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We're winding down this round, nto that it was too contraversial as a whole so...

Barring a KOS-MOS upset, and without knowing Vince's prediction percentage, anyone want to take anyone besides Mr. Valentine as Star of the round?
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Barring a KOS-MOS upset, and without knowing Vince's prediction percentage, anyone want to take anyone besides Mr. Valentine as Star of the round?

We haven't seen Tifa and Leon yet.
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Current Match Prediction: Magus vs. Knuckles the Echidna

Barring a KOS-MOS upset, and without knowing Vince's prediction percentage, anyone want to take anyone besides Mr. Valentine as Star of the round?

Pac Man.

Seriously, that Ocelot picture sucks.
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"That mentality more or less doesn't exist outside this board."

That's a fallacy.

"FF7 doesn't get anti-voted to the point where gannon or bowser well do significantly better against seph then they are capable of doing on anyone else around the same strength."

How would you know? Ganon's only match against and elite character was previous to Seph was Link, and Bowser had matches with Mario and Cloud. He overshot his mark compared to what his match with Cloud said he would. Either Seph dropped or they both somehow rose about the same amount. Hm.

"Most people don't know enough about the contest to know who has the greates chance against sephiroth."

Another fallacy, they knew enough to not even be fooled by CJ in his match against Ness, better than we can say for ourselves as a board. Two years ago I'd agree, but now they know all too well. Besides, it doesn't take contest stats to know that Mario's enemy and Link's enemy would do well in a villain contest, it only takes logic.

"Why would they only anti-vote him in those two matches?"

I already stated why, in fact you quoted it. If you can't read it's not my problem, blame the education system.
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Seriously, that Ocelot picture sucks.

Yep, Ocelot wins with less than 53%.
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Current Match Prediction: Magus vs. Knuckles the Echidna

Why the **** would anyone come here if not to gloat about why their favorite characters/games are better than other people's favorites? That's the entire purpose of this ****ing board, and to tell people not to do so is to go against everything this board is about.

So a hearty HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA to Kerrigan and Terra fans. Especially you idiot Terra fans. Terra sucks, get over yourselves.
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God bless The Great George Romero, the true winner of the 2k5 Summer Contest.

You also seem to think that Dante can still beat Vincent.

I also have Alucard > Sora and Tidus > Ryu > Bowser

I took too many upsets, but if they work out I will be up in the rankings.
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Barring a KOS-MOS upset, and without knowing Vince's prediction percentage, anyone want to take anyone besides Mr. Valentine as Star of the round?

Pac Man.

Seriously, that Ocelot picture sucks.


Agrees.. That pic reeks of horrid...

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"Life...Dreams...Hope...Where'd they come from? And where are they headed...? These things...I'm going to destroy!!" -Kefka

Well, though a bit late for the *WOAOMG*, I still see that I very much underestimated Vincent. Though I always knew anything from FF7 seems to do very well, it seems a lot of people are stipulating that Vincent could take the tournament, things like Tifa beating Sonic and even Red XIII coming in and taking out MC. Now, following this logic, it would almost seem like could we in the near future be seeing a FF7 dominated contest...as in, the elite eight being the cast of FF7+link and maybe Samus, with some lucky seeding...




Crazy...yet scary in its plausibility

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MGS characters have never looked great in any pic, and they've never been all that weak either. It won't hurt Ocelot much.
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That Ocelot pic is the one he got against Bowser, and he avoided a doubling.
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Current Match Prediction: Magus vs. Knuckles the Echidna

"I played closer to 5 hours,"

The amount brought up was 20 minutes, so I replied with the same amount. that isn't to say I thought you stopped after 20 minutes, just that I don't read minds and couldn't say "If you played more than 5 hours..." If you took offence that's your problem, but there was non intended.

"it's cool to see somebody at least trying to fight for something."

Then you really should play for more than 5 hours.

"anyone besides Mr. Valentine as Star of the round?"

I can guarentee he will be, or else heads will roll... literally. *sharpens an axe*
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So you can shoot your sword with power

I don't know why but I am starting to regret my Alucard > Sora pick... =/


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"Life...Dreams...Hope...Where'd they come from? And where are they headed...? These things...I'm going to destroy!!" -Kefka

"That's the entire purpose of this ****ing board, and to tell people not to do so is to go against everything this board is about."

All hail the Shake!
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You also seem to think that Dante can still beat Vincent.

Saying Dante has no chance is idoitic and I've always known that Vincent will be the favorite going into the match, but Dante has a chance.
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I don't know why but I am starting to regret my Alucard > Sora pick... =/

Heh, I'm regretting my Sora > Alucard pic.
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Current Match Prediction: Magus vs. Knuckles the Echidna

We haven't seen Tifa and Leon yet.

Tifa and Leon's matches havent been hyped at all. For Vincent to have a match that was hyped, regardless of whether or not it was actually heavily contendable (clearly it was not), and then come out to almost quadrupling his opponent seems far more impressive than Tifa or Leon could possibly do.

I guess the only argument is that Tifa/Leon opponent's known strengths but their matches won't shock us unless either of them put up at least tripling numbers as well. (Cloud Quadded+ Vyse, Tifa just won't do it and even if she does, Vincent still quadded in a more improtant match.)

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I don't know why but I am starting to regret my Alucard > Sora pick... =/

Heh, I'm regretting my Sora > Alucard pic.

and I'm not regreting anything, Go Alucard!
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All hail the Shake!

Actually, this is Wylvane. My main's still warned, though I should be back by tomorrow.

But my point still stands.
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That's a fallacy.

Not really. I don't see any reason why it is.

How would you know?

How could you know? That's right you can't, and neither can I. Were both just speculating. Duh.

Ganon's only match against and elite character was previous to Seph was Link, and Bowser had matches with Mario and Cloud. He overshot his mark compared to what his match with Cloud said he would. Either Seph dropped or they both somehow rose about the same amount. Hm.

The last legitimate data we got on bowser was back in 2k3. If you factor in a smal sephy drop he actually didn't rise as much as some other characters have managed to in that time frame.

Another fallacy, they knew enough to not even be fooled by CJ in his match against Ness, better than we can say for ourselves as a board. Two years ago I'd agree, but now they know all too well. Besides, it doesn't take contest stats to know that Mario's enemy and Link's enemy would do well in a villain contest, it only takes logic.

So they'd anti-vote seph n only two matches but none of the others? Why? If they really want to see him lose that badly they certainly won't be voting for him in his other matches either.

I already stated why, in fact you quoted it. If you can't read it's not my problem, blame the education system.

Wonderful, insults. That was incredibly uncalled for. I was under the impression that we were having a civilised conversation. Guess not.

Anyways as I already said, if they want him to lose that badly they aren't going to vote for him in every other match. If he gets anti-voted in one match he'll be anti-voted in the others as well.
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I guess the only argument is that Tifa/Leon opponent's known strengths but their matches won't shock us unless either of them put up at least tripling numbers as well. (Cloud Quadded+ Vyse, Tifa just won't do it and even if she does, Vincent still quadded in a more improtant match.)



If Tifa QUADS Vyse.. She is the star of the round and looks to be winning the damn contest.

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"but Dante has a chance."

I like Dante more than most of this board and I'm telling you he doesn't. Just like people said Kerrigan had a chance of winning today (no names) people will say Dante has a chance in round two, it doesn't make them (or you) and less wrong. Period.
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