From: Fett0001 | Posted: 8/9/2005 3:37:42 PM | Message Detail
Can anybody give me an idea of how strong Vincent would be if Kerrigan = Diablo?

Vincent would win the contest if Kerrigan = Diablo.
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Current Match Prediction: Sarah Kerrigan vs. Vincent Valentine

The fight with Sephiroth was ****ing awesome although he owned me all the times I fought with him ( hence I was at a low level)... After about 20 tries, I gave up on beating him and decided to finish off the game.. I think my level was around 40-45

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From: Draco1214 | Posted: 8/9/2005 3:39:09 PM | #401
From: Fett0001 | Posted: 8/9/2005 3:37:42 PM | Message Detail
Can anybody give me an idea of how strong Vincent would be if Kerrigan = Diablo?

Vincent would win the contest if Kerrigan = Diablo.

*coughSFFcough*

If you meant the ToC included that is...

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Did the PS2's light just change color...?!

Not on level, he would beat them both handedly.
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Do I need to link you to the page that compares characters between 2k2 and 2k3? Unless you want to believe that the characters in KH all randomly increased for no reason at all by a huge percentage, KH did have a huge factor in 2k3.

How about the existence of Kingdom Hearts brought more FF fans to the site in 2k3? There WAS a significant increase in vote totals that year you know. If you take Crono's cheat votes against Mario away, and he increased as well. We've already been through this.

IMO, Mario, Samus, Mega Man, Crono, etc have all done nothing to be worthy of any popularity. But they're popular anyway. Don't use that argument, we know it makes no difference.

What does a small Aeris cameo in KH have to do with any of those characters? Bringing them up makes no sense. I never said Aeris wasn't popular. I specifically said a small cameo in Kingdom Hearts didn't make Aeris more popular. There's a difference.
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Aeris cameo wasnt really all that small.

I think FF benefited from KH, because a different crowd played Kingdoms Hearts than usually played Final Fantasy. Cloud and the gang got introduced to an entirely new cast of people.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Tripling Gordon Freeman.

How about the existence of Kingdom Hearts brought more FF fans to the site in 2k3? There WAS a significant increase in vote totals that year you know. If you take Crono's cheat votes against Mario away, and he increased as well. We've already been through this.

Oh please. There is a reason that characters tended to increase based on their prominence in Kingdom Hearts. Squall and Cloud jumped up a lot; Sephiroth jumped up also.

And I remember people back in the day used to say that Sephiroth shouldn't increase because he was just an optional boss fight. But that's exactly the type of thing people come to a FAQ site for. Same logic as with Vincent.

As for Aeris though, I doubt KH would help her much; but it probably did help her SFF Sora, so it might mattered a little bit. Nothing too significant though.
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*coughSFFcough*

If Diablo's Sp2K5 value is correct and Kerrigan=Diablo, then with this performance, VINCENT would get the SFF from Cloud. >_<

Even Link wouldn't be projected to do this well on Diablo. Heh.


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If you meant the ToC included that is...

No I didn't.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 19/21 points
Current Match Prediction: Sarah Kerrigan vs. Vincent Valentine

How about the existence of Kingdom Hearts brought more FF fans to the site in 2k3? There WAS a significant increase in vote totals that year you know. If you take Crono's cheat votes against Mario away, and he increased as well. We've already been through this.

Crono went up again from 2k3 to 2k4 as well, and both of his increases are likely because increased exposure to his game. It's much in the same manner that Alucard goes up from year to year too. That isn't the same with Cloud, Seph, Squall and Aeris.

What does a small Aeris cameo in KH have to do with any of those characters? Bringing them up makes no sense. I never said Aeris wasn't popular. I specifically said a small cameo in Kingdom Hearts didn't make Aeris more popular. There's a difference.

I'm saying that just because you don't think her role should get her popularity doesn't mean it won't get her any.
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I need to put something here.

If Vincent = 2k3 Dante, where would that put Kerrigan?
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Summer 2005 Contest - 19/21 points
Current Match Prediction: Sarah Kerrigan vs. Vincent Valentine

A little above Ratchet.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Tripling Gordon Freeman.

About Aeris vs Vincent, we know that Kingdom Hearts gave a huge boost to Squall, Cloud, Sephiroth and Aeris.

Huge boost for Aeris? That is the second time I have seen someone overexaggerate how much it helped her. She increase a whomping 2% from 2002 to 2003. That's nothing to say was "huge."

All I know is that I would take Aeris over Vincent.

I wouldn't dream of doing such a thing. It kills me that people still think Aeris is more popular than Vincent. Mercy, it should have been obvious from the start how the fanbase prefers these characters.

All they have in common is the red cape and cloth covering their mouth. That certainly isn't enough to confuse people into thinking Cloud is Vincent.

And the metal claw for an arm. Cloud is based on Vincent's design, that is blatant obvious.

Tell me. If Square wanted Vincent in Kingdom Hearts, why didn't they put Vincent in Kingdom Hearts?

Vincent's primary weapon was a gun. Square did not put any of their characters in their that used guns.

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People mentioned Clayton using a gun, but he's a villain. And he's a Disney character, not Square.
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Huge boost for Aeris? That is the second time I have seen someone overexaggerate how much it helped her. She increase a whomping 2% from 2002 to 2003. That's nothing to say was "huge."

But it was still a boost, and she does still have help from KH, something Vincent doesn't have, unless you want to believe Cloud sort of looking like Vincent will help Vincent.

I wouldn't dream of doing such a thing. It kills me that people still think Aeris is more popular than Vincent. Mercy, it should have been obvious from the start how the fanbase prefers these characters.

Excuse me for wanting to see more then Vincent blowing out a PC villain before I decide to put him over Aeris. Unlike Lopen or Char, I've kinda given up hope on Dante. I really don't think he could match this. But Aeris has proven herself much more so then Vincent has in these contests, until I see otherwise.

And the metal claw for an arm. Cloud is based on Vincent's design, that is blatant obvious.

*brings back picture*

Doesn't really look like a metal arm to me.

http://www.khmaniacs.com/imagenes/walls/EvilCloudBlue_800.jpg


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After looking at all the 5 seeds that Kerrigan could have faced, I gotta ask, Kerrigan vs. KOAC, who wins?
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The King would win easily.

But it was still a boost, and she does still have help from KH, something Vincent doesn't have, unless you want to believe Cloud sort of looking like Vincent will help Vincent.

I never said I believed Cloud being based off of Vincent's design will help him nor do I really believe it will. But no matter what, you DID greatly overexaggerate what Aeris gained. It was not "huge" by any means; that's really what I was correcting.


Excuse me for wanting to see more then Vincent blowing out a PC villain before I decide to put him over Aeris.

Quite frankly, I don't even know why you need to see this before deciding to put Vincent over Aeris, but putting up nearly 80% is no small feat for anyone. I seriously doubt Aeris could have put up numbers as impressive as this.

Doesn't really look like a metal arm to me.

Fine. If you want to be that way, it is a metal claw. Happy? In either case, denying it looks similar to Vincent would be nothing short of stupid.

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Yeah, forget that, then. All the 5 seeds are out of her league. I guess the real question should be Gordon Freeman vs. Kerrigan.
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Gordon would beat Kerrigan. The universe can't survive without its Queen ***** >_>
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Gordon/Kerrigan is actually a tough match, at least for me.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 19/21 points
Current Match Prediction: Sarah Kerrigan vs. Vincent Valentine

Fine. If you want to be that way, it is a metal claw. Happy? In either case, denying it looks similar to Vincent would be nothing short of stupid.

In complete honesty, I didn't even know Cloud was supposed to look like Vincent until today, and I really don't see the connection very much. Yeah, it's sorta there, but not hugely. The things that stand out the most to me on KH Cloud are his wings, something Vincent doesn't have.
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I need to put something here.

"The things that stand out the most to me on KH Cloud are his wings, something Vincent doesn't have. "

Except when he transorms, ya?
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So you can shoot your sword with power

*Disney spoilers*












Chichiri mentioned that Disney is different now than what it used to be. Mufasa does die in The Lion King, and that's a recent title. And there's a sex scene in that movie.














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Well yeah, he does have wings in his final Limit Break. But that's not what I think of when I see Vincent. It is still true, though.

Any chance of Ceej giving Vincent a transformation pic for any of his matches? I would assume not, but I guess technically it would still be Vincent.
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And there's a sex scene in that movie

>_<
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I'm actually hoping to see AC/DoC Vincent. I don't expect a Tansformed pic, though.
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Wow, on the rise again
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No, he's really not, and he never was.

Hence the quotes. From this board you'd have thought that Kuja was fairly popular, though. And the same could be said of Kerrigan. The parallels are undeniable.

The claim that most haven't played SC's Single Player is kinda silly. However, I do believe the reason Starcraft is so loved and racks in the votes in the game contest has little to do with the Single Player. And that's the main (only?) thing that matters when it comes to Kerrigan getting votes. My guess? If Starcraft only had Single Player, it'd be well down there in the rankings. (well it wouldn't have made it in in the first place, but yeah...)

Gordon Freeman > Kerrigan? I'd take it, especially if I knew that Kerrigan would get an unrecognizable pic in advance. Actually, I don't think Freeman's gonna be as weak this year, anyway. He'll make Leon look bad in round 1, but then Leon will redeem himself somewhat in round 2.

Walls of text totally rule. However small.
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To the death, I say!

AC Vincent would be pretty sweet to see.
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I need to put something here.

Chichiri mentioned that Disney is different now than what it used to be. Mufasa does die in The Lion King, and that's a recent title. And there's a sex scene in that movie.

Good lions, take off and go.

Actually, I don't think Freeman's gonna be as weak this year, anyway. He'll make Leon look bad in round 1, but then Leon will redeem himself somewhat in round 2.

That'll be impossible when Leon puts up 70% on Freeman.

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From: Slowflake | Posted: 8/9/2005 1:47:03 PM | Message Detail | #069
If Vincent = Magus, Kerrigan is put in the vicinity of Laharl and Gordon Freeman. It's more believable than well below JC Denton... and since everything above Magus is elite, if Kerrigan > Gordon, we got ourselves a replacement Noble Niner.


well, with the bandwagon at full speed, this will probably get lost in the shuffle, but i would like to point out that OVER A YEAR AGO, back when we first debated whether or not Kerrigan could perform as well as Starcraft after it mauled us all, i compared Kerrigan to Gordon Freeman. i predicted that she would perform about as well as him. they are both from PC games that are renowned and played for their multiplayer more than their single player and neither character is able to stand out enough to over-shadow the massively played multi-player mode.


From: Sir Bormun | Posted: 8/9/2005 5:11:21 PM | Message Detail | #081

God. Think of what would have happened if Ceej had stuck Kerrigan up against another 4 seed, like say, Ness. It'd be like Ness vs. CJ for the board brackets, only WORSE.


ha! that would have been great! in all honesty, i would've went with both Ness and CJ over Kerrigan and never looked back.

however, i really wish Kerrigan would've been matched up against Vyse, with the winner facing Luigi/KOS-MOS. THAT would've been truly awesome. my initial pick would have definitely been Vyse over Kerrigan, but i don't know if i would have stood up to the board pressure on that one. and we don't really have an accurate idea of whether or not Kerrigan is weaker than Vyse. although, IF she is stronger than Vyse, than Vincent will take Crono and possibly Samus. yeesh.

From: Tediz247 | Posted: 8/9/2005 6:23:19 PM | Message Detail | #092

Tell me. If Square wanted Vincent in Kingdom Hearts, why didn't they put Vincent in Kingdom Hearts?

*POSSIBLE SPOILER?*

um, Vincent is supposed to be in Kingdom Hearts 2. well, i don't think there are any screenshots yet, but EGM and a couple of other somewhat reputable gaming mags have reported that he will be.

*END POSSIBLE SPOILERS?*

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*chuckles at the attempts to relate Vinny to the KH gain*

Vincent's strength, if it exists to the extent we all think it will, may go a long way towards refuting the "KH made the Square characters in it invincible" theory.

But you guys won't agree with me on that, because you'll just say "Nah, Vincent's as strong as the rest of the KH lot because of the KH factor is wearing off".

But I'm going to hold off on discussing Vinny's strength until we figure out just how strong he really is. Kerrigan is too much of an unknown... we don't know just what kind of fodder she is.
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That'll be impossible when Leon puts up 70% on Freeman.

O RLY?

I still think Leon will be weaker than you all expect... but I have no proof. Will just have to wait another week.
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While I can envision Kerrigan being very low, I have to admit I wouldn't have put her losing to Vyse before this contest. I would've sooner gambled on her being slightly above the fodder line than below it. And I would've lost a point, heh heh.
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"i compared Kerrigan to Gordon Freeman"

Don't recall it clearly, but I'm sure I'd have backed you fully on that one.

"But you guys won't agree with me on that, because you'll just say "Nah, Vincent's as strong as the rest of the KH lot because of the KH factor is wearing off"."

I think they've worked wiht flawed reasoning the whole time. First, KH wasn't the sole reason for the boosts. Second, it's not that a new audience has been exposed to these characters but that the old audience had a reason to come back to gamefaqs.

That's why AC WILL have an effect, to some degree (though for reasons I've touched on I think Link still wins the ToC despite my belief Cloud would have won the main bracket over Link) and we can count on Sephiroth never sweating his match against the 2005 champ, we can also fear for Magus a great deal and assume that Tifa woul dbe a house with that power.
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*tag*
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VOTE: BOWSER in the Summer Contest

VIncent throws himself headlong into 79.1, could he be ready to tear it up again as the day vote wanes?
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Yes. Let's see 80-20!
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You're really trying hard to justify your Dante over Vincent pick! =P

That's true and plus Vincent was never in KH so it would be better to relate him to that Aeris. With that I don't see Tifa breaking 70% against Vyse.
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So who do you guys think is the bigger bomb in failing to meet their expected contest strength... Kuja or Kerrigan?

The second night vote should keep Kerrigan well away from 80%, I'm thinking she might bring him back down below 79%.
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The night vote should be starting in about 1 hour
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I've been Pwned by KoaC. He really is the king of all cosmos.

Kuja. Kerrigan wasn't expected to win; Kuja lost TO A GLOVE.
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nominate Jay Solano for sc2k6.

After gaining 79.1%, he gaines .02% in 10 minutes.
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So who do you guys think is the bigger bomb in failing to meet their expected contest strength... Kuja or Kerrigan?

Kuja since most of us had him winning
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We may be seeing Vincent/Squall in the near future, as opposed to the oft-cited Vincent/Magus.

One can only imagine the amount of ruined brackets to come from that match, let alone the ones before it.

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JC Denton would be closer to Alucard not Bowser
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