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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 193
From: MegatokyoEd | Posted: 8/9/2005 12:39:39 PM | Message Detail
I think 80% is a bit nuts. But I am expecting 70% or near it. Kerrigan was a board creation and nothing more.
From: MarkSmith | Posted: 8/9/2005 12:39:43 PM | Message Detail
I don't think the predictyion percentage will be high at all, especially amongst the perfects. Most of the perfects who wnet against Kefka will go against VV. Plus, this is a seed upset, which will throw off the casuals. (Yeah, I know Zelda-ViVi was too, but come on, its Zelda, the titular character of GamefAQs' 2nd favorite series.
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From: Brett with Atreyu | Posted: 8/9/2005 12:40:29 PM | Message Detail
What would 2k3 Aeris get on Dante? That's an indication of how Vincent should do.

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From: NewLib | Posted: 8/9/2005 12:41:22 PM | Message Detail
I also to this day fail to see what is so amazing about Vincent.

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He falls in love with a woman who doesnt love him back, is a Turk, objects to Hojo's methods, gets tested on himself, locks himself in a crypt forever.

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Nothing there screams badass. Hell if thats badass, we are going to invent a whole different word to describe Leon's level.
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From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 8/9/2005 12:41:38 PM | Message Detail
That's an indication of how Vincent should do.

. . . How? Vincent will be above Aeris.

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From: NewLib | Posted: 8/9/2005 12:42:33 PM | Message Detail
52-48 if Dante hasnt increased.

Somewhere around 55-45 probably if he has.
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From: Eggplant Lord | Posted: 8/9/2005 12:42:54 PM | Message Detail
From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 8/9/2005 12:41:38 PM | #255
That's an indication of how Vincent should do.

. . . How? Vincent will be above Aeris.


Yes, that's the point. Vincent should do just a little higher on Dante than Aeris would. Aeris would get 57.34% using RPGuy's adjustments...

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From: Brett with Atreyu | Posted: 8/9/2005 12:42:59 PM | Message Detail
. . . How? Vincent will be above Aeris.

Yes, but we have nothing else to work with.

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From: NewLib | Posted: 8/9/2005 12:43:14 PM | Message Detail
From: Heroic Mario
. . . How? Vincent will be above Aeris.

No you think Vincent will be above Aeris. There is no proof.
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From: NewLib | Posted: 8/9/2005 12:43:48 PM | Message Detail
err I meant 58-42 if Dante hadnt increased.
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From: MarkSmith | Posted: 8/9/2005 12:44:46 PM | Message Detail
Aeris is pretty strong, she own3d masterchief into oblivion.
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From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 8/9/2005 12:44:52 PM | Message Detail
I also to this day fail to see what is so amazing about Vincent.

To be honest, you can boil any character down to such such a simplicity and make them look rather dumb. Someone decided to comment on Vincent's "lack of personality" and how there's nothing "interesting about him." Well, I happen to think he's very interesting. Hell, he even has some small development that's easy to catch.

I'm going to go off-topic here for a second, but I'm just copying and pasting what I wrote yesterday for some other topic.

(Final Fantasy VII Spoilers)




Vincent is actually quite interesting, despite what some people like to believe. But even if I explain why I think that, msot of you will just say that's "bland," "boring," or "uninteresting." Whatever it is you want to choose.

Vincent's past is very easy to miss, but once you get to see the flashback scene, it becomes apparent how and why Vincent got to where he is. Some choice people like to criticize that Vincent is a "brooding" character or someone who is filled with "angst." These are not words that should be thought of as negative. People get depressed, that is nothing new. Why people seem to hate when a videogame character portrays a very real emotion is beyond me. What's worse is when people use it when the character is completely justified in being depressed, or having 'angst.'

During Vincent's life, he worked as a Turk for Shinra. He was assigned a particular mission that had him near to a female scientist named Lucrecia and a male scientist named Hojo. Eventually, after many months of working around her, he began to have feelings for her. Sometime later, he asks her to marry him. Completely shocked and unable to answer, she just runs away. Unfortunately, this really hits Vincent hard. It only gets worse when he finds Lucrecia and Hojo together.

After seeing their feelings for each other, he decides to back away for Lucrecia's sake. He realizes that it's best for her if he doesn't pursue it any further. Lucrecia eventually is shown being pregnant. Hojo talks about experimenting on the child. Vincent, who is completely opposed to this, stands up to Hojo telling him that they simply cannot do this. Lucrecia is seen looking down -- as a sign of possible regret for the decision -- and they ignore his protests and carry on with the experimentation.

Roughly two years later, Lucrecia gives birth to the child; that child is known as Sephiroth. In an unfortunate twist, Lucrecia dies during the child birth. Once Vincent realizes this he is angered beyond all reason. He confronts Hojo in his rage. The two yell at each other back and forth in the Shinra Mansion basement, then Hojo pulls out a gun from his coat and kills Vincent.

Shortly after, Hojo performs anatomic reconstruction on Vincent. He removes his right arm and replaces it with a metal claw, stops his aging, -- making him something of an immortal -- and giving him an awful injection that results in him changing into all sorts of hideous beasts. Hojo then leaves Vincent there. Sometime later, Vincent awakens and is on the brink of insanity. His humanity had been completely removed, he had been killed and brought back to life, and was horribly transformed into this walking monster as opposed to his normal self. Hojo eventually returns and puts him into the basement of the Mansion. There he would sleep for some twenty eight years before being awoken by Cloud and the others.

That's about as detailed as I would like to get on the subject. I would go ahead and describe his slight development from the "brooding" or "angst" into a more caring, open character. But I'm sure it's not worth going into.

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From: Samurai7 | Posted: 8/9/2005 12:45:04 PM | Message Detail
From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 8/9/2005 1:05:05 PM | Message Detail | #075
Here's to hoping Vicent gets 60-65 on Dante.

If he gets 65%, he will win this contest. I'll say that right now. <3


Why? Crono doubled Dante.
From: Eggplant Lord | Posted: 8/9/2005 12:45:55 PM | Message Detail
From: Samurai7 | Posted: 8/9/2005 12:45:04 PM | #263
From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 8/9/2005 1:05:05 PM | Message Detail | #075
Here's to hoping Vicent gets 60-65 on Dante.

If he gets 65%, he will win this contest. I'll say that right now. <3

Why? Crono doubled Dante.


Dante has supposedly increased from DMC3

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From: NewLib | Posted: 8/9/2005 12:47:36 PM | Message Detail
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So he is so badass that the only thing he can do is protest? Im sorry if the woman I loved was getting tested on, I have to resort to something a little bit stronger than protest.

Vincent is actually, in my opinion, kind of a weakling.


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From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 8/9/2005 12:48:17 PM | Message Detail
Yes, that's the point. Vincent should do just a little higher on Dante than Aeris would. Aeris would get 57.34% using RPGuy's adjustments...

Or, you know, you could just use what Magus would get considering that's who he's up against after Dante. He needs that 60% in order to match Magus. But there's nothing limiting Vincent to just being "around" Aeris's percentage. At best, you can just see how another popular FFVII character will do.

Yes, but we have nothing else to work with.

It isn't like those two are going to give you an idea. He could overshoot that completely, get even, or undershoot that completely. How Aeris would do isn't going to tell us how Vincent will do.

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From: Samurai7 | Posted: 8/9/2005 12:49:06 PM | Message Detail
From: Eggplant Lord | Posted: 8/9/2005 1:45:55 PM | Message Detail | #064
From: Samurai7 | Posted: 8/9/2005 12:45:04 PM | #263
From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 8/9/2005 1:05:05 PM | Message Detail | #075
Here's to hoping Vicent gets 60-65 on Dante.

If he gets 65%, he will win this contest. I'll say that right now. <3

Why? Crono doubled Dante.

Dante has supposedly increased from DMC3


Crono has increased every year as well. Your point?
From: dragoontheguy | Posted: 8/9/2005 12:49:16 PM | Message Detail
Giving vincent any shot at winning the contest at this point is ridiculous. How about we wait until he actually faces someone who's strength we know something about before assuming he could take down crono? Or even Magus for that matter.
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From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 8/9/2005 12:49:45 PM | Message Detail
Why? Crono doubled Dante.

Crono is barely projected to get a doubling on Dante now! Then you can factor in Advent Children and Devil May Cry 3 and then it becomes rather apparent on why I said that.

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From: NewLib | Posted: 8/9/2005 12:50:47 PM | Message Detail
Welcome to the Stats topic, dragoon. Where HM can take one match (MM/Tidus) and hand a character the championship.
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From: Brett with Atreyu | Posted: 8/9/2005 12:50:58 PM | Message Detail
It isn't like those two are going to give you an idea. He could overshoot that completely, get even, or undershoot that completely. How Aeris would do isn't going to tell us how Vincent will do.

They will give us an idea. Assumign Magus doesn't bomb against Knuckles, 58% on Dante means Magus is winning.

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From: Samurai7 | Posted: 8/9/2005 12:51:03 PM | Message Detail
From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 8/9/2005 1:49:45 PM | Message Detail | #069
Why? Crono doubled Dante.

Crono is barely projected to get a doubling on Dante now! Then you can factor in Advent Children and Devil May Cry 3 and then it becomes rather apparent on why I said that.


Thats assuming Crono hasn't gained again. Which he does every year. Even then Samus is ranked higher than Crono. I highly doubt Advent Children will play hardly any role in boosting popularity. Resident Evil really made Jill popular didn't it?
From: NewLib | Posted: 8/9/2005 12:51:58 PM | Message Detail
The man has a point about Jill.
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From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 8/9/2005 12:52:07 PM | Message Detail
So he is so badass that the only thing he can do is protest?

I don't believe I was giving justification for him being "badass." The way he is designed is what gives people that idea that he is a badass. He is, however, much better in Advent Children if you're looking for that.

Vincent is actually, in my opinion, kind of a weakling.

He didn't exactly want to make her upset in the process. He protested against it, but there's little he can do to actually STOP something that they both agreed on doing. It isn't as though he had some "half" in this.

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From: Phediuk | Posted: 8/9/2005 12:52:22 PM | Message Detail
Vincent just keeps climbing. If he gets the night vote, 80% is virtually guaranteed.
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From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 8/9/2005 12:55:20 PM | Message Detail
Thats assuming Crono hasn't gained again. Which he does every year. Even then Samus is ranked higher than Crono. I highly doubt Advent Children will play hardly any role in boosting popularity.

There's no sense in assuming Crono did gain until he actually shows the signs of doing so. At this time, Crono is barely projected to get 66% so it is no stretch to call it for Vincent should he put up 65% on Dante, especially if Dante increased.

And comparing Tomb Raider or Resident Evil at this website to Final Fantasy VII is rather ludicrous. Judging from a previous poll, there were people interested in this before it even had information on it. I have no doubt that's increased by a large amount since. People can believe trailers and hype helped Link but a movie based on Final Fantasy VII cannot? Please.

Resident Evil really made Jill popular didn't it?

. . .

Yeah, I mean, who in their right mind would expect Jill to increase based on such a small damn role.

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From: NewLib | Posted: 8/9/2005 12:56:11 PM | Message Detail
No I was more refering to what he did after

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Lucrecia dies

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He goes down like a punk.


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From: creativename | Posted: 8/9/2005 12:56:29 PM | Message Detail
I'm expecting Red XIII to make it in next year, and for people to call him overhyped and underestimate him.

For instance: Master Chief vs. Red XIII. Who wins?
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From: creativename | Posted: 8/9/2005 12:58:50 PM | Message Detail
Newlib, what?

****Final Fantasy VII SPOILERS****

...(Lucrecia doesn't die)...

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From: Crono801 | Posted: 8/9/2005 1:03:04 PM | Message Detail
Actually, Crono is expected to come a little bit short of the doubling on Dante.
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From: Adept_Of_Aiur | Posted: 8/9/2005 1:04:04 PM | Message Detail

For instance: Master Chief vs. Red XIII. Who wins?


We should at least wait and see how strong Vincent really is.
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From: charmander6000 | Posted: 8/9/2005 1:04:57 PM | Message Detail
For instance: Master Chief vs. Red XIII. Who wins?

Master Chief easily.
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From: Smurfin | Posted: 8/9/2005 1:06:19 PM | Message Detail
Vincent has an enourmous percentage. This is really worrying me about my Dante>Vincent pick, although I am confident that Magus will still win the division.
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From: LordOfDabu | Posted: 8/9/2005 1:07:14 PM | Message Detail
No, I'm not a football fan > Sarah Kerrigan
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From: Lopen | Posted: 8/9/2005 1:07:22 PM | Message Detail
Kerrigan could be the new Kuja here. Lets face it, people were saying: "Even if you didn't play single player, Kerrigan's still frequently used in UMS maps". Well, I sure as hell never used that Kerrigan on any UMS map. Kerrigan is a "well loved villain" from a popular game. Kuja is a "well loved villain" from a slightly less popular game, but I dare say he was more prominent in the game he was in. And he doesn't have the whole "those who primarily play for the multiplayer don't know him well" factor.

The hypocrisy of this topic never ceases to amaze me, though. The Vincent supporters say: "Looks like people are adjusting Kerrigan to absurdly low levels to justify Dante > Vincent". And yet, just yesterday, the same people were doing the very same thing with Terra to justify their pick.

I'm not saying is Dante the favorite, but to call Vincent > Dante a lock based on a character of which we haven't even the slightest estimate of just where she lands, it's silly. Hell, you could've done it last year based on the "known" Tidus vs Mega Man, calling MM all but a lock over Link.

I'll defend Dante until round 2, and if I lose, I'll gladly accept all of the ridicule this topic dishes out. But if Dante wins, or even comes damn close to winning... well don't think I won't be dishing out a bit of ridicule of my own. *insert villainous cackle here*
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From: charmander6000 | Posted: 8/9/2005 1:07:40 PM | Message Detail
Tifa is going to have a hard time breaking 67% on Vyse.
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From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 8/9/2005 1:12:53 PM | Message Detail
For instance: Master Chief vs. Red XIII. Who wins?

Judging from that piss-poor performance by Master Chief, I would take Red XIII. I've always been one to support him being near Aeris, although definitely below her.

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From: sidharta | Posted: 8/9/2005 1:13:59 PM | Message Detail
Some fun with numbers, assuming Vincent ends up with exactly 80% (now I know he won't, but just for simplicity's sake):

* If Kerrigan is neo-Tanner and equal to 10% on 2k3 Link, then Vincent gets 25%.
- Obviously, I can't see Kerrigan being that weak. But if this is true, then Dante will beat Vincent Alucard/Kratos style.

* If Kerrigan is low-end-fodder and equal to 12% on 2k3 Link, then Vincent gets 30%.
- This is the lower bound of where I think Kerrigan will land. Vincent might struggle past Dante, and will lose Alucard/Kratos style to Magus.

* If Kerrigan is middle-fodder and equal to 14% on 2k3 Link, then Vincent gets 35%.
- This is the upper bound of where I think Kerrigan will land. Vincent should scrape through Magus thanks to FF VII > CT, but will lose Zelda/Vivi style to Crono.

* If Kerrigan is high-end-fodder and equal to 16% on 2k3 Link, then Vincent gets 40%.
- I can't think of a reason for Kerrigan to rank that high, honestly. Should this be true, however, not only will Vincent totally crush Dante and cruise past Magus, he'll give Crono himself a run for his money!

I'd say 13% on 2k3 Link is the most reasonable assumption for Kerrigan atm, as anything higher will rank Vincent ridiculously high, but Vincent vs. Dante might surprise me yet again.

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From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 8/9/2005 1:17:59 PM | Message Detail
He goes down like a punk.

(Final Fantasy VII Spoilers)



He got into a heated argument with Hojo and then was killed. There wasn't anything he could have done. If you get into an argument with someone and they suddenly decide to whip out a gun and shoot you, there's nothing you can do.

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From: Janus5000 | Posted: 8/9/2005 1:21:25 PM | Message Detail
Kerrigan could be the new Kuja here. Lets face it, people were saying: "Even if you didn't play single player, Kerrigan's still frequently used in UMS maps". Well, I sure as hell never used that Kerrigan on any UMS map. Kerrigan is a "well loved villain" from a popular game. Kuja is a "well loved villain" from a slightly less popular game, but I dare say he was more prominent in the game he was in. And he doesn't have the whole "those who primarily play for the multiplayer don't know him well" factor.

Ah, someone else sees it my way. Excellent.

If Kerrigan = Kuja, and Vincent ends with exactly 80%, then he ends up with ~31% on BL, which is between Aeris and Tidus in the All-Time stats.
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From: andaca | Posted: 8/9/2005 1:22:01 PM | Message Detail
You know, if Kerrigan didn't have such a bad pic she might have only just been tripled.

*cries*
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From: Crono801 | Posted: 8/9/2005 1:22:42 PM | Message Detail
If you get into an argument with someone and they suddenly decide to whip out a gun and shoot you, there's nothing you can do.

You're saying I can't dodge bullets???
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From: The Doppleganger | Posted: 8/9/2005 1:23:25 PM | Message Detail
He got into a heated argument with Hojo and then was killed. There wasn't anything he could have done. If you get into an argument with someone and they suddenly decide to whip out a gun and shoot you, there's nothing you can do.

Exactly. I'll give ya a demonstration.

Doppleganger/Masa: HAY HM, TRON BONNE IS BETTER THAN LUCRECIA LOLZ

Heroic Mario: NUH UH

*HM pulls out a gun and shoots Masa/Doppleganger in the head*

Me: ;_;
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From: Lopen | Posted: 8/9/2005 1:23:36 PM | Message Detail
Yeah, Janus, you're the one who made me think of Kuja, I believe, in Brett's topic, to be honest. I would've mentioned it, but I simply forgot he was so low. The parallels are just too numerous to discount.
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From: Lopen | Posted: 8/9/2005 1:26:25 PM | Message Detail
And you left out one very important point.

- both were overhyped to hell and back by the board.

Actually, you may have said that, I just browsed over the topic and saw "Kuja" and was all like *ding*.
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From: sidharta | Posted: 8/9/2005 1:26:58 PM | Message Detail
You know, if Kerrigan didn't have such a bad pic she might have only just been tripled.

*cries*


Look, at least you guys have an excuse for her bombing.
I have no excuse for Kuja, period.

Besides, I'll admit that you guys pwned me in the intimidation department.
Thanks to SC's "wildcard" legacy and the possiblity of mass vote stuffing from overseas, I only pegged Vincent to get between 60%-65%.

In short, Vincent pwned more than the Kerrigan backers, he pwned at least 96% of the board!

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From: MegatokyoEd | Posted: 8/9/2005 1:28:45 PM | Message Detail
The thing about Kuja is I doubt he's truely as weak as he looks. Who here would honestly put JC Denton over Kuja in a match?
From: LordOfDabu | Posted: 8/9/2005 1:40:28 PM | Message Detail
Well it looks like StarCraft.org is the only site that's going to link here. Looks like I was wrong about it, too; it may bring in as many as 20 votes!
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From: The Doppleganger | Posted: 8/9/2005 1:41:36 PM | Message Detail
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Discuss this match plz <_<
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From: charmander6000 | Posted: 8/9/2005 1:41:48 PM | Message Detail
The thing about Kuja is I doubt he's truely as weak as he looks. Who here would honestly put JC Denton over Kuja in a match?

You do know the match would be 50.5%-49.5%. When a match is that close you can rely on the x-st because of two things, first they aren't that accurate and second they're from different years. If the x-st were always accurate Shadow wouldn't have lost to Tidus last year.
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