From: charmander6000 | Posted: 8/9/2005 1:45:13 PM | #188
Why they have a lot in common they are both from popular PC Games (That and Kerrigan isn't in MULTIPLAYER)

Ulti's right. These Dante pickers make HM look absolutely sane in comparison.

Ok maybe not on GameFAQs. Give me one popular character (other than Freeman) that came from the PC (Don't you dare mention Starcraft 64)
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Diablo
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Tripling Gordon Freeman.

Oh, and as far as a Tifa/Vincent matchup is concerned, I would expect minimal SFF if they're close together, much like Cloud/Sephy.
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You know what's funny. Kerrigan being this weak doesn't make any sense since she's from one of the most popular PC games of all time. Just like our favourite guy in this contest, Gordon Freeman. Don't expect that much from Vincent.. Kerrigan could be even weaker than Freeman :D

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Other than Diablo, Duke Nukem is the only one who's been able to win a match, and he's barely over the VFL.
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Diablo and Duke

Ones the main villain and is seen in multiplayer and the other was an icon at some point or another. What I'm saying is that Kerrigan never really had much strength.
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Kerrigan is also a part of an ensemble cast and we all saw how that helped Terra.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Tripling Gordon Freeman.

Max Payne and Serious Sam are also PC characters, I think asking which pc characters after 2002 has been able to win a match over a non pc character?
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FACT or FICTION: When Magus utterly destroys Knuckles tomorrow, half the Vincent bandwagon will jump right over to Magus.

Magus won't "destroy" Knuckles. At best, he could put up a doubling and that's what he's projected to get in the first place.

I'm hoping that these people who are in support of Vincent doing this well stick with it a while. There's absolutely no reason at all to think Vincent will lose to Magus. The two are comparable and Vincent has the clear advantages.

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This happens every year... Vincent performs well for one match and everyone jumps on his bandwagon.

I know quite a few of people have been on this "bandwagon" before it even began. Myself, Chichiri, Leonhart, Ulti, therealmn; all of us actually expected him to be a force. But no matter who you are, this performance is impressive. I have a very hard time swallowing someone not being impressed with this.

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 2 - (4) Ness
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Magus, projected to get a doubling on Knuckles? Damn, give me what you're smoking. Magus will impress, given the general tendency of this place to underestimate him to hell and back, but a DOUBLING?
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From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 8/9/2005 2:13:05 PM | #210
This happens every year... Vincent performs well for one match and everyone jumps on his bandwagon.

I know quite a few of people have been on this "bandwagon" before it even began. Myself, Chichiri, Leonhart, Ulti, therealmn; all of us actually expected him to be a force. But no matter who you are, this performance is impressive. I have a very hard time swallowing someone not being impressed with this.

There are plenty of tourists out there who are certain Dante will beat Vincent.

If you mean on this topic... yeah, there are a few nutcases, too.
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Magus, projected to get a doubling on Knuckles? Damn, give me what you're smoking. Magus will impress, given the general tendency of this place to underestimate him to hell and back, but a DOUBLING?

. . .

Yes, he is projected to get either 61% or 66% depending. If Knuckles is adjusted its the former, if Knuckles is unadjusted its the latter. That all depends on Magus staying the same since 2003 as well. But he IS projected to get a doubling by these very stats.

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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=954

Don't ask why I posted this link. I just love the result, even if it's possible that SFF was in this match.
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I have Vincent beating Dante.

Beyond that his strength is still in question.


KB

This happens every year... Vincent performs well for one match and everyone jumps on his bandwagon.

I know quite a few of people have been on this "bandwagon" before it even began. Myself, Chichiri, Leonhart, Ulti, therealmn; all of us actually expected him to be a force. But no matter who you are, this performance is impressive. I have a very hard time swallowing someone not being impressed with this.

There are plenty of tourists out there who are certain Dante will beat Vincent.

If you mean on this topic... yeah, there are a few nutcases, too.

*Glares at you*

This match is impressive though, but with Dante's performance yesterday the impresion goes down a few notches.
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I have Vincent beating Dante.

Beyond that his strength is still in question.

That's true. We might as well call it a first round match because we still don't know anything.
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Kerrigans strength being the greatest factor.


KB

Projections can go take an extended vacation. If Magus performs 6% better than Snake did, he'll be the heavy favorite in his division to say the least.
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If Magus gets a doubling it just reinforces the very damn thing I have been saying since Summer 2004.

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If Kirby didn't absolutely murder Cecil Dante would be looking a lot more impressive.
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Magus may very well end up with 66%... at sunrise. You know how Knuckles is.
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If Kirby didn't absolutely murder Cecil Dante would be looking a lot more impressive.

Which is why I didn't say Dante will win BOOK IT!
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First off, the Kerrigan = Freeman point is a very viable point. It more than very well could be.
Using the all time Extrapolated stats I came up with this.

Cloud Strife 49.14
Diablo 24.69

Now I boost Cloud up .86 to get to a value of 50%, and Diablo the same to keep things constant.

Cloud Strife 50.00%
Diablo 25.55%

Now, Kerrigan is at 21%, if you make Kerrigan's ceiling Diablo, then Vincent is performing better than Cloud would do on the very same opponent, and I'm not accepting Vincent > Cloud. So it's obvious that Kerrigan is significantly weaker than Diablo, and even if you lower Kerrigan several percentage points, Vincent would still be equal to Cloud, once again, bull****. Where does 21% rank on the X-stats? Right between Jak and Ridley, that's assuming she's as good as Diablo with a pic like that, AND that Vincent = Cloud and strength. That's pushing it... really ****ing pushing it. If you still want to keep.

Now if you want to do it through Sephiroth, Seph's all time ranking in the x-stats is 44.46. Give him the same .86 boost and we have him at 45.32%

Cloud 50.00%
Seph 45.32%
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4.68% Differential

Now keeping Kerrigan at Diablo's level still, as seen above, drop 4.68% from Kerrigan's 21%.

16.32 That's assuming Vincent = Sephiroth in strength. Smack dab in between Mithos and Robotnik. I still don't but Vincent = Sephiroth, but it's a hell of a lot more plausible than Cloud. Point being, Kerrigan is ****ing weak.

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To give an idea on vote totals, here are the comparisons as of the 11:50 mark.

Vincent/Kerrigan - 56,322
Ganon/Yuna - 59,708
Ness/CJ - 55,123

Lookin' mighty fine.

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Never try calculating with X-Sts ever again, because you obviously have no clue how they work.
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Never try calculating with X-Sts ever again, because you obviously have no clue how they work.

Good, I thought I didn't get what he was saying.
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2005-08-09 12:00:00 12154 45143 21.21% 78.79% 57297 32989
2005-08-09 11:55:00 12056 44757 21.22% 78.78% 56813 32701
2005-08-09 11:50:01 11966 44356 21.25% 78.75% 56322 32390
2005-08-09 11:45:00 11876 43948 21.27% 78.73% 55824 32072

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Let's see him end over 79%!

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Woot Vincent.. Much love

Here's to hoping Vicent gets 60-65 on Dante.. =) .. lol

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"Life...Dreams...Hope...Where'd they come from? And where are they headed...? These things...I'm going to destroy!!" -Kefka

Magus won't "destroy" Knuckles. At best, he could put up a doubling and that's what he's projected to get in the first place.

Absoutely! Magus will be lucky to get 60% on Knuckles, IMO.

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I actually don't think the contest follows the linearity that the x-stats would have us believe.

I really think non-linearity is a big reason why Tidus/Shadow and Lara Croft fell off so much in the X-stats.
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

She can probably break 22% if she gets the night vote
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I've been Pwned by KoaC. He really is the king of all cosmos.

Here's to hoping Vicent gets 60-65 on Dante.

If he gets 65%, he will win this contest. I'll say that right now. <3

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Heh if Vincent wins this contest, then I really hope we won't see another character contest on Gamefaqs...
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I actually don't think the contest follows the linearity that the x-stats would have us believe.

I really think non-linearity is a big reason why Tidus/Shadow and Lara Croft fell off so much in the X-stats.

Heh, the 2k3 X-stats predicted Cloud vs. Vyse with .2% precision.

Looks like transitivity held there...

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I didn't say they NEVER work, but I could name a bunch of situations where I think non-linearity took place. This contest may prove it... I have to watch how Tidus and Tifa perform.
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

So many brackets do you guys think picked Vincent? I'm thinking over 70%. I don't really care if Kerrigan was the higher seed alot of people prob just picked against her having no idea who she was.

Looks like transitivity held there...

Start using the right word. :P

Linearity, not transitivity. Transitivity is just saying that if C loses to B and B loses to A, A>B>C. Linearity is comparing characters without a like opponent. I think that's it anyway.
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So, question. How would Kerrigan have done in the Villains contest?
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For the final day... Kerrigan, you have failed me.

I'm going to predict 88% went with Vincent.

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I would expect mid-to-high 80s for Vincent.
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Linearity is comparing characters without a like opponent. I think that's it anyway.

If that's what you meant, then it still held.

Cloud and Vyse didn't have a common opponent in 2k3 IIRC.

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I'm really digging all these people I've never seen before posting on the Brood War board for Kerrigan as if they were regulars there. ;)
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Actually even with a 65-35 win over Dante, you have to assume Dante increased by more than 3 percent to put Vincent above Samus.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
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Actually even with a 65-35 win over Dante, you have to assume Dante increased by more than 3 percent to put Vincent above Samus.

There's also Advent Children.

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Taken from the other topic:

*looks at the all-time Xsts*

112 JC Denton 12.57
113 Kuja 12.43

Is it hard to believe that Kerrigan is on the level of Kuja?

Both come from popular games/series, but where they are is neglected/not cared about by some fans (FFIX, SC's singleplayer). The popularity of both of these areas has also been overestimated by the board.
Both are evil, manipulating killers. This may not appeal to very many.
Both have reasons to be popular from their own game/series but apparently aren't.
Both have next to no casual appeal as far as pictures go.
On top of that, Kerrigan is from a PC game (and their characters sans Diablo tend to suck) with an ensemble cast, and we saw the 'main character' of an ensemble cast go down hard yesterday... and FFVI is probably more popular than Starcraft.
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True, but we have no idea how much that will give him.

But why are we dealing with things that will never happen, aka Vincent getting 65-35 over Dante.
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High 80s in prediction rate? I know I do predict these things abysmally, but significantly above 80% doesn't seem likely.

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