Yeah. When the most popular character from the 5th most popular game on the site cannot rank in the top half of the X-Sts, there's a big problem somewhere though...
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Old Square is anything before PSX era Square. Simple as that. That's when their mass popularity began (specifically with FFVII).
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But Chrono Trigger is vastly more popular than FFVI and under games. I think Chrono Trigger and up should be classified as something because they own FFVI and down games.

I'd rather have a bracket set-up to avoid SFF matches.

Like pitting Seph against Link instead of Cloud, and of course avoid obvious SFF slugfest like yesterday's match.

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But Chrono Trigger is vastly more popular than FFVI and under games.

Just the characters. CT and FFVI as games aren't that far apart. You could probably blame FFVI's hodgepodge cast for that though.
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Okay, it might not be THAT crucial... but I think it would play a role. I was talking about the people that DO pay attention to the contest. It's not like there are only a select few people that pay attention to the contest. I think you guys underestimate a lot of the voters. There are a lot of people who realize that there IS a contest going on.

I'm not saying thousands upon thousands would be thinking that. But in a close match, something like that could make the difference. We've had a poll that says at least 30,000 people know about the contest. Would it be crazy to assume that a couple thousand of those are paying attention to the bracket?

Of course, I don't even think it will be close due to the looming possibility of SFF... We'll see though.
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From: sidharta | Posted: 8/9/2005 12:31:17 AM | #354
I'd rather have a bracket set-up to avoid SFF matches.

Like pitting Seph against Link instead of Cloud, and of course avoid obvious SFF slugfest like yesterday's match.

With so many Nintendo and Square characters, there's bound to happen a few. Mario/Ness, Crono/Magus, possibly Samus/Ganondorf, maybe Kirby/Bowser... still, I think we got a good deal on this this year.
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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 8/9/2005 12:32:13 AM | #355
But Chrono Trigger is vastly more popular than FFVI and under games.

Just the characters. CT and FFVI as games aren't that far apart. You could probably blame FFVI's hodgepodge cast for that though.

Yeah, but one could expect Kefka to hold some sort of strength. And I mean real one, not the one that just allows him to be the strongest FF6 character while still ranking 35th year in and year out.
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Like pitting Seph against Link instead of Cloud, and of course avoid obvious SFF slugfest like yesterday's match.

But that ruins the possibility of the 2005 winner scoring an upset in the ToC. At least with Sephiroth, there's a chance of that. The current set up gives us possibly two good matches. Switching Cloud and Sephiroth would only give us one.
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I still think we need to see one more FFVI character to see how they do compared to Terra. Terra seems vastly more disliked compared to Locke/Celes

The less SFF there is, the easier the contest is to predict the year after, because you will have fewer adjustments to be made.
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I really don't think popularity should determine the cut-off line.

Since if it were so, where would you put FF IX?
New New Square?
Recent Square?

I'd say the switch from 2D to 3D, or the platform change from SNES to PSX makes a better cut-off line.

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Terra is currently comparable to Ultros, by the way. The only problem with seeing if another FFVI character could have some success is guessing which one it might be.
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Well as I said Locke/Celes seem generally more liked than Terra..

Well, there's Celes, Locke, Edgar, and Shadow. That's about it, I'd say. But that's still four possibilities.
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How would Super Mario RPG fit into all of this? It was released only about half a year after Chrono Trigger and has 3D graphics. It did well in the Spring contest despite a good possility that it got SFF'd.
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I would associate Mario RPG with Nintendo more even though it was developed by Square. Mario would destroy Geno with SFF in all likelihood, but I don't expect Squall to do much there.
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Yeah, even though Square developed SMRPG, it's essentially a Nintendo game. Like I said before, it's just like placing The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap under Capcom. It's just that more people are aware that SMRPG was made by Square and Nintendo...
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The only problem with seeing if another FFVI character could have some success is guessing which one it might be.

We could try to get CJayC to run another series of "Favorite character from a FF game" PotD. They usually aren't too bad if they are fairly recient and you only look at the top 2-3 performers.

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If Squall beats Magus, it will be due to New:Old SFF, not hero:sidekick SFF.

Better yet for Squall, what if both exist?

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Super Mario RPG didn't have real 3D graphics though, it was just an isometric world with height, and isometric worlds look hundreds of times better than square tiled worlds when you add height to them.

For that matter, FFVII through FFIX didn't really have 3D worlds (except for the overworlds). They merely had 3D models drawn on fixed 2D backgrounds. FFX was the first FF game to have truly full 3D environments.

But I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here.
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Random thought: why do bracketmakers seem more intimidated by Starcraft than by freaking FF7 these days?
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I think Mog could also do well, Leonhart.
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Because Blizzard pwned them before. I have seen so many people pick Kerrigan just because they didin't want to get pwned by Blizzard again. They're all acting like Blizzard can never lose in the first round.

People forget about the existence of the company cap and figure that any Square characters that haven't made it into the contest by now must be much weaker than their counterparts...
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Better yet for Squall, what if both exist?

I wish, I actually like Squall, but then Sora vs. Aeris would like to have a word.

For that matter, FFVII through FFIX didn't really have 3D worlds (except for the overworlds). They merely had 3D models drawn on fixed 2D backgrounds. FFX was the first FF game to have truly full 3D environments.

Either way, it's the graphics technology or platform used that should determine the cut-off line.

I personally wouldn't mind calling FF X Recent Square for the mere fact that it's on full 3D graphics or PS2.

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Random thought: why do bracketmakers seem more intimidated by Starcraft than by freaking FF7 these days?

Random thought: Why didn't anyone say this before?
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Random thought: why do bracketmakers seem more intimidated by Starcraft than by freaking FF7 these days?

Because things concerning Final Fantasy VII didn't completely destroy their bracket.

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The thing with SC is that it's a completely wild card, thanks to potential mass vote stuffing from overseas.

While FF VII has proven itself to be THE powerhouse in GameFAQs, it's strength can be well estimated.

I think people are much more afraid of wild cards (in other words, the unknown) than proven powerhouses (in other words, predictable real danger).

To be honest, before I give careful thought of the situation, I was really confused who should I pick to win.

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Sid, that's like saying more people are drafting Alex Smith before Peyton Manning in a fantasy draft.
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I've made a lot more mistakes with Blizzard, but underestimating FF7 denied me a prize back when I was still eligible.
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Slow, who are you in an account bet with?
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So, how do you guys think Epona would do in one of these? >_>
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From: seeraamaazu | Posted: 8/9/2005 1:06:06 AM | #384
Slow, who are you in an account bet with?

SecondBest. Already suicided this morning, and it took one hour to get modded.
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Sid, that's like saying more people are drafting Alex Smith before Peyton Manning in a fantasy draft.

That's why I said this afterwards:
"To be honest, before I give careful thought of the situation, I was really confused who should I pick to win."
That means once I looked carefully at the big picture, it's really a no-brainer.

Those who would have drafted Manning before Smith must have thought hard about it too.

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Everytime I say that Epona could beat Vyse, I get bashed...
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Damn. I guess you win then.

Did he give up?
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Those who would have drafted Manning before Smith must have thought hard about it too.

Oh yeah, that's totally hard.
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So, how do you guys think Epona would do in one of these? >_>

NO, just NO.

It's a freaking HORSE, it's not even a char.

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Epona over Terra. Book it.

I'd vote for the horse, too.
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Then, Epona vs. Guybrush, who would you take?
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People voted for Lavos and Sin....
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Epona could probably get 45% on Vyse, but not beat him. Despite being from the Zelda series, you can't deny the fact that she's a friggin' horse. She just wouldn't get the support. Until we see how likeable of a character Midna is, we won't be seeing any characters of notable strength from the Zelda series besides the big three.
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NO, just NO.

It's a freaking HORSE, it's not even a char.

NO, just NO.

It's a freaking HAND, it's not even a char.
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Damn. I guess you win then.

Did he give up?

What do you mean with give up?

He already lost, Dante already defeated Terra.

Oh yeah, that's totally hard.

Just joking about that line, I knew jack **** when it comes to Football players.

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Terra = Ultros? Hahah... that's too good. I seriously hope you people aren't going along with that. I mean, not living up to the expectations is one thing, but being equal to Ultros is quite another.
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Ultros got a sprite.

Terra didn't.


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While Terra = Ultros makes me a little sad, it isn't that crazy of a result. I can see a diehard FFVI fan (like myself) voting for anything FFVI over almost anything else, whereas only the ones popular with the casuals (see: Kefka) can separate themselves easily from the rest of the cast, in terms of contest popularity.
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