Gordon could easily get 40%+ on Ness.

Ness is projected to get 68.64% on Gordon.
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We're not talking about Ness. Ness has strength. We're talking about Gordon Freeman, the guy that loses to fodder every year.

Of course Ness has strength, but I never said Leon would lose to Gordon. He will beat Gordon, of course, but Leon just simply isn't strong enough to triple Gordon.
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From: LeonhartForever | Posted: 8/8/2005 6:38:14 PM | Message Detail
Ness is projected to get 68.64% on Gordon.

It always makes me laugh whenever I see that low end mid-carders are projected to get blowouts on Gordon.
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Me too. I always seem to forget just how weak Gordon is until I see something like that.
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Gordon will get 40% on Leon. Stats be damned :).

Both CJ and Leon both came from recent popular hits, GTA: San Andreas and Resident Evil 4, both of which are at least on the top 10 on the FAQ list, and both of these characters have been greatly hyped in the contest because they are from these popular games.

Unlike CJ, Leon isn't some new character who just recently jumped onto the gaming scene. He has been an established character who was in the very popular Resident Evil 2, the other main character was Claire Redfield. He has been quite popular since then, and it only helps that he got Resident Evil 4 -- a high selling and rated highly by all critics. Hell, RE4 isn't just another one of those 'big hits' that come and disappear some time later. Many of these same people have stated that it has a perfect case for being called "Game of the Generation." It does help that it has been very popular here since its release.

But CJ didn't live up to that hype, by bombing against Ness. The same thing could happen to Leon as well.

I understand how you could make a comparison on being hyped up and then not performing well. But CJ is not necessary the character I think fits that bill. No one expected THAT much out of CJ. There were many who speculated whether or not he would even match Vercetti. Leon's up against pure fodder and, as unfortunate as it may be, his path is set with a one and out. I just don't think comparing him to CJ makes any real sense. What CJ does and what Leon does have no connection, other than being 'hyped.' I'm sure there are better characters to compare Leon to in that department as well.

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I'm inclined to agree with Ed, if only because of how many times the "Stats be damned" approach has worked this year versus how many times the "The stats are a decent enough guideline" one has.
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Gordon will get 40% on Leon. Stats be damned :).

I will be in the corner of the stats topic crying if such a thing happens.

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I knew he was in RE2, but he'll likely get most of his votes from RE4.

I'm retiring to bed. Good night.
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Today: Dante vs. Terra

I knew he was in RE2, but he'll likely get most of his votes from RE4.

Claire got 45% on TIDUS.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 19/21 points
Current Match Prediction: Sarah Kerrigan vs. Vincent Valentine

Claire had a sex changed and changed her name to Leon?
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I don't think RE2 will help Leon that much, if at all. Remember how much Ninja Gaiden on the NES helped Hayabusa last year?
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That's a bit of a stretch. The reason why the NES games probably didn't help Hayabusa was because they were so old and many voters likely didn't play them. You can't make the same argument about RE2.
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Remember how much Ninja Gaiden on the NES helped Hayabusa last year?

No because the Xbox version was already released.
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I don't think RE2 will help Leon that much, if at all. Remember how much Ninja Gaiden on the NES helped Hayabusa last year?

Claire pretty much pulled from RE2 and was actually quite strong. Unlike Ninja Gaiden, you don't have to go that far back in order to have known him. RE2 was a PSX release, meaning that it hit the majority of the people on this site. It's also been released multiple times, a ridiculous amount even. I definitely think it would help him.

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It's also been released multiple times, a ridiculous amount even.

Yep, that's Capcom for ya.
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In fact, from what I count, it was released on the PSX, N64, GCN, DC, and PC.

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Well, Claire also had Code Veronica. Although I doubt that really made much of a difference.

Just that she royally kicked Leon's ass.

RE4 Leon >= Claire > > > > RE2 Leon
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Hmm. I'm still skeptical. I think the general rule of thumb, after being underwhelmed by so many newcomers in the contest, has to be "past games only help if they had the power to get the character into the contest in the first place. RE2 didn't seem to... because other than the original, RE4 is the biggest name of the series.

And I'm not sure the data for RE characters in 2002 is valid... at least not anymore.
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Yep, that's Capcom for ya.

Gotta love 'em though. <3

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I'm always skeptical. But only of my favorite characters.

Maybe it's pessimistic nature, but whenever a character I like makes it and they have potential, I think they'll flop.

This includes Magus, Leon, Alucard, etc.

I still think Alucard's a little funny >_> <_<
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RE4 Leon >= Claire > > > > RE2 Leon

I have to say, whatever happened to him during those six years was amazing. Leon in RE4 is made of skill that is unmatched by anyone. <3

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Gotta love 'em though. <3

Even after this?

http://doctawawy.ytmnd.com/
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Ack! Mega Man 8 voice acting... it never happened.

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I wonder if RE5 will give potential star Chris Redfield his own chance in the spotlight...
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JUSDIEZELOOOOOOO!

WHAT am I fighting FOOOOOOOOOOOR!
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I'm hoping it actually does have Chris as the main character. I'd like to see something new based around him. I like Jill more, but he was far cooler than her in the original Resident Evil.

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http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/8167/re5screenshot7qf.jpg

That still looks so freakin' amazing.

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Ack! Mega Man 8 voice acting... it never happened.

If only... If only. What the hell was capcom thinking?
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Does anybody think this match will break 100,000
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Wow. That really does almost get to the point that you can't tell the difference between a real picture and a computer generated one.
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This match is unlikely to break 100,000. It's about 1500 behind Ness/CJ at the moment.
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To be fair, there's something that's just odd about Tidus in these contests...his performances just don't seem to match up from one day to the next, so I take Claire's 45% on him with a bit of caution.

Also, while RE4 may be a great game, Leon is not going to get the full benefit from it until it hits the PS2. He should be a solid mid-carder for 2k6, but I'm not seeing him being that strong just yet.
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Devil Division Round 1 - Match 22 – (4)Sarah Kerrigan vs. (5)Vincent Valentine

Kerrigan
Game/Series Known From: Sratcraft
Extrapolated Rank in 2002: N/A
Extrapolated Rank in 2003: N/A
Extrapolated Rank in 2004: N/A
Seed in 2002: N/A
Seed in 2003: N/A
Seed in 2004: N/A

Kerrigan finally gets in a Contest, thanks to Board 8 and some outside support.

Vincent
Game/Series Known From: Final Fantasy VII
Extrapolated Rank in 2002: N/A
Extrapolated Rank in 2003: N/A
Extrapolated Rank in 2004: N/A
Seed in 2002: N/A
Seed in 2003: N/A
Seed in 2004: N/A

Vincent also finally gets in the Contest, thanks to Heroic Mario’s flavor of the week.

Oh, the fun in the Devil Division never ends. From one controversial, highly debated match to another. Two characters that got massive board support this year go at each other.

“Kerrigan vs. Vincent? This is going to some easy points for me! Kerrigan all the way!”

Billy, hold on a minute. Are you sure you want to go with Kerrigan?

“Yep! Kerrigan = Starcraft = Blizzard, while Vincent is nothing but an optional character!”

Wow, I’ve heard that argument a bunch, but never without typos, butchered words, extra exclamtion marks and proper grammar before. You’re right on some things though. Kerrigan is from Starcraft, which was made by Blizzard. Blizzard does have quite the legacy in these Contests too, with Starcraft in 2004 and Diablo last Spring. Vincent is also an optional character in FF7. But do you really think Kerrigan will be as strong as Starcraft?

“Well…um…”

Most people who play Starcraft play for the multi-player, which Kerrigan isn’t a big part of. Now, I’ve never played Starcraft before, so I don’t know how important Kerrigan is in the main story, so I don’t want to say too much before I look like a fool. While Starcraft is big on this site, there’s a bigger game, and it’s called Final Fantasy 7. The biggest game on this site. Vincent might be an optional character in the game, but c’mon. This is GameFAQs! I’m willing to bet over 90% of the people who come here and have played FF7 fully know who Vincent is, and have either gotten him or heard of him.

“So…what does this mean?”

It means, Billy, while Kerrigan might be from Starcraft, which was strong. Games =/= characters. Kerrigan won’t be as strong as Starcraft. Then again, Vincent won’t be as strong as FF7, but we already know 3 FF7 characters are strong. Cloud and Seph have only lost to Link, and Aeris has lost only to Snake and Sonic, in pretty close matches as well. Will Vincent be as strong as Aeris? Probably not. But he won’t be weaker by a lot either.

“Thanks Moltar, now I know what to do!”

And knowing is only half the battle, my child.

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Vincent will win.

Moltar’s Prediction is: Kerrigan: 35% - Vincent: 65%



Outback’s Analysis

I really know absolutely nothing about this match. Neither does anybody else. Don't let them tell you that they do. Because they don't. I'm guessing that Vincent's FFVII ties will get him over Kerrigan, despite how strong StarCraft is at rallying (and cheating, for that matter).

Vincent with 56.44%

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Ulti’s Analysis

Of all the debates first round matches, this is one of the biggest n00b traps. Slap BLIZZARD on anything, and people are automatically scared of it due to Starcraft and Diablo's performances.

I could make a long writeup detailing how Diablo is far more popular than Kerrigan due to him having the same name as his game, or due to his series being more popular than Starcraft in America, or due to him appearing in Diablo multiplayer while Kerrigan is nowhere to be seen in Brood War multiplayer, but I doubt anyone would listen. People are picking Kerrigan left and right, and are completely forgetting about common sense.

Kerrigan would not only have to be more popular than Diablo to have a chance at beating Vincent, but she would have to be able to beat him with over 60% of the vote. I highly doubt that she could do such a thing, and the people saying that Vincent isn't popular or well-known are out of their damned minds and completely out of tune with the FF7 fanbase. While I believe that this contest will prove Tifa > Aeris > Vincent to a degree, Vincent isn't nearly far down enough to be threatened in this match. I'd be stunned if Kerrigan did so much as break 40% on him. I'm dead serious.

Prediction: Vincent with 62.45%



Soul’s Analysis

Just before we get to this bracket buster, I'll just give off a few facts:

1. Starcraft shocked the hell out of everyone in the first Spring Contest but lost to SSBM.
2. FF7 won the Spring Contest.

Now that that is said, I would like to never hear people assume that Kerrigan will win just because of that contest.

Ok, so we're on the verge of seeing probably the best match of this contest, or a big flop. Basically, it's the fans of two very popular games on GameFAQs. Of course, FF7 is more popular by a longshot, but Kerrigan is the main character from Starcraft, while Vincent isn't. Vincent is actually optional.

I'm going to tell you my pick right now. Vincent is going to win.

1. As said before, the FF7 fans will back anything from their game. Sure, he won't be at Cloud's or Seph's levels of popularity, but to think he will be significantly weaker then Aeris is a big mistake. He will perform around Aeris' level, book it.

2. B.Net voters are a myth. It's completely fictional and should never be used as a point for Starcraft/Starcraft characters to win. The maximum voters from B.Net will be 100, and I seriously doubt it's going to be that high. Think about it for a second here. You're playing Starcraft with your friends online. Some kid comes to your game and tells you to vote in a online poll from a website you've rarely heard of. What would you do? Stop the game and vote or continue playing?

3. Vincent's optional status does not matter. At all. Seriously people, this is GameFAQs we're talking about here. People come here and stay here to find out these types of things. Are you seriously telling me that a game that's been out for 8 years and has been in the top 50 FAQs pages for as long as it came out that people won't know who Vincent is? Please, stop kidding yourself.

Basically, I'm going all in with the FF7 fanbase. It should be a great match no matter what the outcome.

My prediction: Vincent Valentine wins with 50.24% of the vote.

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Inviso’s Analysis

In 2004, Starcraft was perhaps the biggest upset of contest history. It, as a 16 seed, beat Halo, Kingdom Hearts, and Wind Waker, before being taken down by Super Smash Brothers: Melee, in a close match. One year later, Diablo, as a lowly 7 seed, managed to make the final four by going through Ridley, M. Bison, and Kefka. Now, after two contests, I’ve learned not to underestimate the power of Blizzard. Kerrigan is the biggest and most well known character from Starcraft. She’s an easy lock for round t…wait a minute…her opponent…is from Final Fantasy VII. In case you didn’t already know, FFVII is the biggest game of Gamefaqs, bigger than Ocarina of Time, bigger than Counter Strike, bigger than Diablo. Hence the dilemma. You see, Vincent is not a required character in the game, but he is relatively popular. He even has his own game coming out soon. So it’s him against the vote rallying power of Blizzard, and in theory, this match could go either way.

My Bracket: Sarah Kerrigan
My Vote: Vincent Valentine
My Prediction: Vincent Valentine with 57.45%



Tnote’s Analysis

Kerrigan will get walloped. Yeah, you read that right. She can have as many vote-stuffing Koreans as she wants, a crappy villain with basically no semblance of likability or badassness will prove to be nothing more than fodder in this contest. If Vincent does not break 60% on this clown, he has no shot at Dante next round. Kerrigan will prove to be much less popular than Diablo, and I think the almost-not-playable Vincent would dispose of the devil (not the possibly crying one) with little difficulty.

I do not think that Vincent will not be horribly strong in this contest year, but I do believe he should able to make a run at Dante, which does make him well above fodder, but below the lofty expectations some have set for Square’s newest poster boy. After he gets his Dirge of Cerebus title he should be knocking on the door of top 15 material, but until then I expect him to flutter right around the top half of the second third of the 67 characters, and once this contest ends, we can finally set up the correct inequality, which I have always known to be Cloud>Sephiroth>Aeris>=Tifa>Vincent>everyone else.

Pick: Vincent with 60.83%
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Vlado’s Analysis

So much controversy and stuff... All for nothing. Seriously, I can't understand why people think this will be close... I guess everyone's psyched because of StarCraft's excellent performance last spring and Diablo's (easily predictable) wins in the villain contest. Well, get this: Kerrigan is not Diablo. She will not come even close to his popularity. And hell, Vincent would even beat Diablo without much trouble. So, get this. This match won't be nearly as exciting as people expect it to. I don't expect Kerrigan to have the lead even in the very beginning. Vincent will lead all through the match and win in a convincing fashion.

Anyway, let's look at each character's chances. Kerrigan will rely solely on StarCraft fans, AND those who actually know of her existence. We know more than well that people play StarCraft for the multiplayer, and even some hardcore fans aren't familiar with Kerrigan. So, she won't get anywhere near the support StarCraft got. Sure, she'll also get some anti-FFVII votes, and some bracket votes (since there will inevitably be not-so-bright people who will have picked her), but those will be far from enough for her to do anything. I don't know whether vote rallying will come into play for her or not, so the percentage is not really easy to predict, but I'd say she can't break 45% even WITH vote rallying. I expect her to be about as strong as Viewtiful Joe, probably a little stronger.

Vincent is expected to do a lot in this tournament and the first match is but a means to measure his actual strength. His win is out of doubt and, should he double Kerrigan, I think we'll be in for something really impressive from him. People are really pathetic when they try to defend their choice sometimes. I've seen people say that Vincent wouldn't get anywhere near the full FFVII support, since he's an optional character. Seriously, do you know ANYONE who's a FFVII fan and DOESN'T know about Vincent?! That's right, such people DON'T exist. And if they do, they sure as hell don't visit GameFAQs. Yes, GameFAQs. Anyway, I expect Vincent to not only win this, but also upset Dante in the second round. Though, when you think about it, it won't really be an upset. I think Vincent will be stronger than Aeris was, and that he and Tifa will be quite close in this year's stats. I still hope Tifa does better than him, of course. I believe Vincent can be around Squall's level, with some luck he can even be above it. Which makes him VERY strong, and I'd say Magus has a reason to be really worried.

Predicted percentage: Vincent with 65.75%.

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HM, I agree that Leon may possibly be as strong as Jill... But I still don't think that he is as popular as Jill was at her peak. Jill doesn't just have Resident Evil 1 and 3 on the PSX. She also has the Gamecube REmake, which was almost as popular as RE4 is now. It not only brought back fans of the Resident Evil series, it also introduced a new demographic to the series.

She also had the Marvel vs. Capcom 2 crossover, which could only help her. It wasn't a SSBM, but you can't say it didn't do anything for her popularity.

*I'm a member of S.T.A.R.S.!*

Leon may be more popular right NOW due to the RE4 craze, but overall, I still think Jill is the most popular RE character. With that being said, I hope he does get over 70% on Freeman. It would be great for a RE character to get a blowout match.

I still need to play RE4, but I'm so behind on the series... When I get my full-time job, I'm going to buy the entire RE Gamecube collection with my first check.
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Soul's the only one giving Kerrigan a chance, eh?
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From: Applekidjosh | Posted: 8/8/2005 5:12:15 PM | Message Detail | #094
Kerrigan supporters, come and cry with me. We got totally owned.

You were owned when you picked Kerrigan in the first place.

~*ST*~
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"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

This interested me, so I suppose I'll post it...

Comparisons to other matches that took place on Mondays:

At 19:00
Dante vs. Terra - 85456
Tidus vs. The King - Roughly 88500 (updater broke for a half hour, I guess)
Ganondorf vs. Yuna - 93847

Not a good sign for Dante, if you put any heed by the "the more total votes, the better the characters" idea. This match is quite a bit ahead of Kirby vs. Cecil, but that match took place on a Sunday, so things could be skewed.

I'm starting to think that this isn't as much of a plus for Dante as some have thought. We'll see next round, I suppose.
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FWIW, I've never played Starcraft before, but I'm considering voting for Kerrigan just because of her picture.
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VOTE FOR KAYSAR!

From: LuniNutz99 | Posted: 8/8/2005 6:23:33 PM | Message Detail | #128
You sir are an ASS. There, I said it. :P

50 bucks says that I'm the only one in this topic that knows what play that quote comes from.













(Much Ado About Nothing)

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FWIW, I've never played Starcraft before, but I'm considering voting for Kerrigan just because of her picture.

Heh. Yeah, this picture might actually look better than the one she was supposed to get. So... hey, maybe it's a blessing in disguise.
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I agree that this pic looks cooler than the Brood War pic. The Brood War pics just a green face...

It may look cooler, but it's much less recognizable.
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Ugh... This picture BETTER be a blessing in disguise... It does look kind of badass.... And Vincent looks like a 12 year old girl...
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The thing that's mind-boggling about many of Kerrigan's supporters is their insistence that Vincent being optional hurts him and he isn't as popular among the fanbase as Cloud, Sephiroth, or Aeris.

So let's go out on a limb and say that they WERE right. We've already seen how popular FFVII is on this site. What makes them think that those same fans would abandon Vincent for KERRIGAN? They might not like him better than a Link, Samus, or Mega Man... but this is still Kerrigan... I don't know why people don't factor that type of thing in to their decisions in this contest... There's a reason why Aeris was so strong against everyone but Sonic and Snake.
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