I just see Gordon somehow getting 40% on Leon. I know it defies all logic but we are talking about Gordon Freeman here...

Agreed on Gordon being at least at 40%...

I dunno. I think we might be overestimating Leon, and I also think that it'd be a shame to break the tradition of "Gordon comes relatively close and still fails".
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I wouldn't be too surprised if Gordon musters 40%. Half-Life 2 has got to account for something, right?
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Freeman won't even come close to breaking 40% on Leon. That's just a given.

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Those who think Leon will triple Gordon are crazy.
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Leon Kennedy should break 60% with ease and could break 70%. Jill would, so there's no problem believing he could, too.
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Those who think Leon will triple Gordon are crazy.

Care to share your wisdom behind that statement?
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Well. I think Half-Life 2 will put Gordon a few levels higher. After all, all his past performances were all running off of Half-Life, a game that's now 7 years old.

And Jill is like the face of Resident Evil, and is also Mikami's favorite character to boot.

I have my doubts of Leon being stronger than Jill. He could equal her. And with Gordon's possible improvement, I think he'd be lucky as hell to get 70. Something like 65 seems more reasonable.
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And checking up on it, Jill would be expected to get 67% against Freeman. I think that just about says it all when it comes to breaking 60% for Leon. I'm pulling for him to triple him though. But in order for that to happen he'd have to be around 26% on 2004 Link -- near Sora, Kirby, Dante, etc.

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HL2, I think, sold less than the original.
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Gordon Freeman doesn't do anything in either of those games. He's just there.
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That's not bad considering the awesome sales of the first one.
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And him not doing anything is part of the reason why I think he was hurt the most by going off of a 6 year old game. It's not as if people are going to be stricken with him enough to vote for him 6 years in the future. But having a 'spur of the moment' reminder may give him a little kick.
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And Jill is like the face of Resident Evil, and is also Mikami's favorite character to boot.

I can't say I have heard anything about that. At E3, he had stated in an interview, or hinted at least, that his favorite character in the series was Leon.

I have my doubts of Leon being stronger than Jill. He could equal her. And with Gordon's possible improvement, I think he'd be lucky as hell to get 70. Something like 65 seems more reasonable.

What's so hard to believe about Leon being stronger than Jill? He's appeared in the two most popular Resident Evil titles, both of which sold very well. I could have seen him being around her level before RE4, but now I would say that's clearly above that.

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I really don't care what the Xstats say Gordon would get on Jill. I believe Gordon could get 40% on any midcard character. I have no reason to believe this but when we're talking about Gordon Freeman, I throw common sense out the window.

I really don't get why Gordon is so bad at these contests. I mean, he's on the cover of the games, and they've sold very well. Many consider them to be the best FPS and/or PC game of all time. And yet he manages to lose to the weakest characters ever. He got blown away by Tina Armstrong. Who the **** is Tina Armstrong?
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Hmmm, I thought it was Jill. No matter. It's not a huge deal anyway.

Jill just strikes me as the person everyone thinks of when you say Resident Evil. THE MASTER OF UNLOCKING.
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Because nothing strikes you as capitivating as far as Gordon Freeman as a character is concerned. People play Half-Life for the game. Most don't care anything about him because he doesn't DO anything.

And why do you think Gordon could get 40% on any midcarder? You think Tina Armstrong is a midcarder?
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Yeah. That's my point. His weakness is emphasized exponentially without a new game because of that fact.
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I think him losing to Tina Armstrong says something. I don't care how messed up 2k2 was. That match result still makes no sense as judging off 2k4s stats Gordon would win handily. As I said... I throw all common sense out the window when thinking about Gordon. I'm most likely wrong but meh.

Care to share your wisdom behind that statement?

People are overrestimating Leon's strength in this contest. I find him to be only a little bit stronger than Jill is. Gordon on the other hand, will gain a boost from Half-Life 2. I believe Gordon can get at least 35%, possibly 40%. If Leon were to triple Gordon, that would project him to be at SC2K4 Auron's level, something that I just can't buy. And since CJ flopped, it might happen to Leon as well.

Speaking of GTA, it seems like the bracket predictors have lost faith in GTA.
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Gordon on the other hand, will gain a boost from Half-Life 2.

Gordon won't gain anything from HL2. I guarantee it.
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He lost to Tina only by TJF. His losses against Sam and Max were just weakness.
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And since CJ flopped, it might happen to Leon as well.

Despite how they have nothing in common.

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Despite how they have nothing in common.

Neither do Luigi and Kefka, who both of them flopped back in 2003.
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If Leon were to triple Gordon, that would project him to be at SC2K4 Auron's level, something that I just can't buy

And for good reason. Auron's much stronger than that.
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My thoughts on Gordon Freeman breaking 40%:

One, it's just a feeling I have. Remember, last year, we all thought Fisher would destroy Gordon. That turned out to be not the case.

Two, we've overestimated new characters a thousand times before. Why should Leon be any different? He didn't even get nominated as much as the other hero of the recent action hit, Kratos.

Granted, Fisher far from impressed. But I think Freeman may actually be a little stronger than last year, due to Half-Life 2 and all. And I can't see Leon being that much above Jill... she's the established face of Resident Evil. He only made it into the contest on the basis of RE4.

So I think that Freeman could break 40%, and I'd be shocked to see Leon do better than 65. I think Leon is probably around DK's strength, give or take. DK won over Sam 65-35. Freeman and Fisher were equal last year, and Freeman could have gotten a bit stronger (and perhaps Fisher a bit weaker). 40 isn't out of the question, with the crazy stuff Freeman's pulled before, and I'd probably predict that match to be about 62-38.
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Neither do Luigi and Kefka, who both of them flopped back in 2003.

Yes, it was because Kefka flopped that Luigi flopped, right? That makes SO much sense.
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Freeman and Fisher were equal last year,

Excuse me?
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Question. I'm remarkably bad at figuring things out, so could someone help me out here?

How would Kratos do against Gordon Freeman?
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Neither do Luigi and Kefka, who both of them flopped back in 2003.

But the comparison you made makes no sense. What does CJ flopping have anything to do with Leon?

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He didn't even get nominated as much as the other hero of the recent action hit, Kratos.


Please don't place any correlation between character strength and amount of nominations received because there is none.
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He didn't even get nominated as much as the other hero of the recent action hit, Kratos.

There is NO WAY Starcraft can beat Halo.
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And for good reason. Auron's much stronger than that.

Then you can replace Auron with Sora, Kirby, Alucard, or anyone else who's close to that level.
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Okay, Fisher beat Freeman 55-45. They're close in the standings, because they're both fodder. I'd pick Freeman this year.
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Then you can replace Auron with Sora, Kirby, Alucard, or anyone else who's close to that level.

Jill was stronger than Kirby at one time. It's not that farfetched.
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I'd pick Freeman this year.

...Why? Fisher showed no signs of dropping. He actually overperformed on DK.
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Then you can replace Auron with Sora, Kirby, Alucard, or anyone else who's close to that level.

Didn't Jill beat Kirby in 2k2?
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And I can't see Leon being that much above Jill... she's the established face of Resident Evil. He only made it into the contest on the basis of RE4.

Leon is just as well-known and established as Jill is. I cannot see a good reason to think that Jill would be more popular than Leon after RE4. Really, that will do far more than you're giving credit. It isn't just going to bring him up from a weak level to 'equal' with her.

So I think that Freeman could break 40%, and I'd be shocked to see Leon do better than 65. I think Leon is probably around DK's strength, give or take. DK won over Sam 65-35.

If Leon were equal to Donkey Kong, he would not only be higher than Jill, but he would be projected to gather 69.11% against Freeman -- not considering any boost from Half-Life 2.

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Please don't place any correlation between character strength and amount of nominations received because there is none.

...Dammit. I'm sick of arguing with you people.

None of you are that bad as people, but sometimes, in these topics, you act like parents arguing with children, or teachers reprimanding students. It's so ****ing annoying. And I know I'm guilty of it to an extent, too, but... is there any call for this?
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Jill is nowhere near Kirby anymore. Ryu H beating her proves that.

Look, it's a well-established fact that nominations have nothing to do with character strength. Why bring it up?
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From RPGuy's all-time stats:

26 Kirby 27.50
27 Claire Redfield 27.14
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Jill is nowhere near Kirby anymore. Ryu H beating her proves that.

He said that she was once higher than him, not that she still was. It's really not that farfetched to imagine Leon being that high. Really, I have no idea why people are wanting to assume he'll be weak. He, by no means, is a bottom of the line character in Resident Evil popularity.

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Yeah. Claire is awesome.

If only Leon didn't suck in RE2, he'd be a huge power house. The fact that he'll probably be drawing most of his votes from RE4 fans worries me.
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The only problem with that argument is that Leon Kennedy was an established character before Resident Evil 4, and he was likely pretty popular already. A big release can only help him.
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But CJ didn't live up to that hype, by bombing against Ness. The same thing could happen to Leon as well.

We're not talking about Ness. Ness has strength. We're talking about Gordon Freeman, the guy that loses to fodder every year.
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Hmmm...well...most of those pics are pretty badass...

Kerrigan/Vincent...You're ****ed Sarah!

Magus/Knuckles...Badass!

Squall/Geno...Pretty Cool!

Sonic/Jin...WTF Sonic!?

Diablo/Kratos...Advantage Diablo...

Tifa/Vyse...BOOBS!!!!!

Luigi/KOSMOS...Luigi looks pimping! KOSMOS actually looks great for her Ep. 2 art.

MegaMan/Conker...meh!

Gordon/Leon...Gordon is just giving up.

Yoshi/Laharl...Bad looking Yoshi.

Ocelot/Pacman...Wow! Pac can make this one close...
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But the comparison you made makes no sense. What does CJ flopping have anything to do with Leon?

Both CJ and Leon both came from recent popular hits, GTA: San Andreas and Resident Evil 4, both of which are at least on the top 10 on the FAQ list, and both of these characters have been greatly hyped in the contest because they are from these popular games. But CJ didn't live up to that hype, by bombing against Ness. The same thing could happen to Leon as well.
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