From: Lopen | Posted: 8/8/2005 3:33:52 AM | Message Detail | #233
If we place Terra at 20%, Dante is at 32.25% on 2k3 Link right now. I can't see her being much weaker than this.

There is no way that Terra is at 20% on Link. Unless she somehow jumps way up during the day.


As for the "Danta" thing, I doubt that the good majority of people even notice. There's all sorts of "word games" out there with mis-spelled sentences and words and such, and most of the time people see what they think they're seeing. People aren't going to expect "Danta", so they're not that likely to notice it.

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Has anyone noticed that even creative's updater has him called "Danta"?

Well, it's linked directly to the poll, so that's why.
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Second, IIRC Vincent really isn't much part of the story either. Heck Red XIII had more story time.

Being a prominent figure in the storyline has absolutely nothing to do with your strength. Mercy, Magus is stronger than a majority of the contestants and he doesn't have nearly the storyline prominence of MANY other characters.

This is looking bad for Vincent...a severely handi-capped Dante is still owning the votes against Terra.

How is Dante handicapped?

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MH is a beast with the day vote through.

Kefka also sucks with the day vote, however. It just seems like the likely thing that the "pop" character would be the one of the two to increase during the day.
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But... how... why... is Master Hand as popular as he is?

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Master Hand is pure fodder.

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Kerrigan is pretty much the undisputed main character.

Of Brood War. I'd call Jim Raynor the main character of Starcraft.

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How is Dante handicapped?

I'm assuming he means the "Danta" thing.
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He was pretty weak in the villains contest too >_>

...He's just stronger than the best villain ever <_>
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But... how... why... is Master Hand as popular as he is? >_<

Master Hand isn't popular.

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Yeah, Kuja just sucked. Hard.

FFVII IS that much more popular than StarCraft. I don't even see how you can begin to think they aren't. You have to understand that FFVII would be projected to gather some 65% against StarCraft. By no means is that close at all. Not only that, but the characters in StarCraft are by no means nearly as the focus as the characters in FFVII are. Yes, I know people have played the campaign, but you're trying to make it out like Kerrigan being the main character is something huge. People actually have to CARE for her, especially enough to be strong. I think she'll be near Diablo, but asking for more than that is insane. Vincent shouldn't have any trouble disposing of Diablo either.

Conversely, you act like being the main character of the campaign for SC and Brood War has NO bearing on her strength... The fact is, being well known will, to a point, equal popularity. Hell, it's the philosophy behind marketing. And why wouldn't people care for her? It's not like her character is bland or uninteresting! And for the record, I made a topic asking people if they had played SC's multiplayer, single player, or both, and all but two people had played at least the single player. Granted, it was a very small sample, so I don't put very much stock in it, but it's worth mentioning.

Hell, even in real life, my friends LIVE for the multiplayer (well, they used to), and they took the time to cheat their way through the single player to see the story. The fact is, when a game is out for 7 years, and renowned for its multiplayer, people will EVENTUALLY get curious and play the single player to see how the story is. And the draw of the game originally WAS the single player. Multiplayer become the prevalent draw a year or two after release.
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Of Brood War. I'd call Jim Raynor the main character of Starcraft.

Starcraft's more of an ensemble thing, really. Kinda like FF6...

Yeah, 70% sounds about right.
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MH is a beast with the day vote through.

Well, he faced absolute fodder. And Robotnik absolutely bombed with the day vote against Sin and Ganondorf as well.
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Diablo the game is more popular than Starcraft the game in America both in sales and Bnet traffic.

How many people are on Diablo II right now? There are 108,000 people playing Starcraft: Brood War out of 230,000, when I checked a moment ago. So how are Warcraft III and Diablo II splitting the remainder.

And three years ago, Starcraft was at 6 million. It is only $15, and I cannot go into a store that sells computer games without seeing it. For it to have gotten to 6.5 - 7.0 million since then isn't out of the question.

Diablo and Diablo II combined sold more, but last I checked, Starcraft was still slightly ahead of Diablo II alone.

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From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 8/8/2005 3:37:36 AM | Message Detail | #249
Has anyone noticed that even creative's updater has him called "Danta"?

Aw crap...I hope it doesn't cause problems when Ceej fixes the typo in the morning.

Damn, I really don't feel like checking the code right now.
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I still disagree with you on the "Diablo's name is in the game title" point, though. The only voter that would be swayed by that is one who doesn't really care about either character, but who played Diablo in passing. That argument reminds me too much of the spring's "Dark Link and Dark Samus would be invincible because they have Link and Samus in their names!" arguments.

Eh, we'll have to disagree on that one. Personally, I think Diablo and Zelda are great examples of characters who benefit from their names. Neither character is particularly prominent or well-liked, but they're both strong anyway.

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Master Hand is pure fodder.

Which is more popular than he should be. Half of Tanner's strength is too good for him.. her... it. Whatever.

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Of Brood War. I'd call Jim Raynor the main character of Starcraft.

o.0

Raynor is only really prominent in the very beginning and the very end. Kerrigan is quite clearly the main character for the meat of the game. Although she is admittedly unused in the protoss portion.
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Conversely, you act like being the main character of the campaign for SC and Brood War has NO bearing on her strength...

. . .

Where, show me, where I have even implied that I think being the main character has no bearing on her popularity? I have been a supporter of her being strong, especially when everyone else is expecting her to bomb. But like I said earlier, it will be Vincent's strength as opposed to Kerrigan's weakness.

It's not like her character is bland or uninteresting!

That, obviously, has no major showing in a character's popularity. The best character in the world can be weak as hell and vice versa.

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In Starcraft, I'd lean more towards Zeratul and Tassadar, with an emphasis on Tassadar. In Brood War, it is absolutely Kerrigan.

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Conversely, you act like being the main character of the campaign for SC and Brood War has NO bearing on her strength.

Yet we need look no farther than today's poll to see what being the "main" character in an ensemble cast does for you.

And Kerrigan is not the main character until the last campaign of Brood War; she's barely even in the first three.

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That, obviously, has no major showing in a character's popularity. The best character in the world can be weak as hell and vice versa.

You were the one who threw the term "likability" around, not me.
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Dante's holding pretty steady right now. He hasn't budged from the upper 68s for 25 minutes.
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You were the one who threw the term "likability" around, not me.

And you thought I was arguing Vincent's character? Very few people even know all about Vincent. I'm talking about his design and overall attitude up front. A character's personality, good or bad, shouldn't really matter. But how they look and their general attitude most certainly should. Dante isn't strong because he's an amazing character, after all.

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So, Terra really is weaker than Crash Bandicoot? Heh heh heh. Well, whatever. Win-win for me. Either Terra is super fodder or Dante's the man with the plan (not that plan), I'm happy either way. I'll keep promoting Dante like a champ, though, because it just seems the more likely of the two, and because my bracket's all about it.

I just can't see Terra losing to Max Payne, I can't.
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I just can't see Terra losing to Max Payne, I can't.

I couldn't see all of the characters Cecil would be projected to lose to either. That's called personal expectations. They aren't always right.
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And you thought I was arguing Vincent's character? Very few people even know all about Vincent. I'm talking about his design and overall attitude up front. A character's personality, good or bad, shouldn't really matter. But how they look and their general attitude most certainly should. Dante isn't strong because he's an amazing character, after all.

Fine, Kerrigan exudes badassitude. She's just as likable. And she looks evil.
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Kerrigan is quite clearly the main character for the meat of the game.

She gets most of the story attention, but the way Starcraft's story is told makes this not even matter. The main characters, IMO....

Episode 1 - Raynor. This is not even debatable.
Episode 2 - The Overmind. The Episode is named after him.
Episode 3 - Tassadar. Not debatable.
Episode 4 - Zeratul. Not debatable.
Episode 5 - There really isn't one. The characters given the most attention here are Stukov and Duran.
Episode 6 - Kerrigan.

Talking about Kerrigan a lot from the perspective of someone else doesn't make her the main character of the game. RTS titles don't work that way.

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Episode 2 - The Overmind. The Episode is named after him.

That one I completely disagree with in particular.... You control Kerrigan in pretty much every mission, and watch her interaction with her new race begin to unfold. Episode 2 is all about Kerrigan's development and growing arrogance.
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But my expectations are based on two knowns. 1. Kefka's contest strength. 2. FF6's popularity in the game contest.

I didn't expect Cecil to be quite as weak as he was, I'll admit, but FF4 is not nearly as popular here, that much was evident from the start.
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so whose been a more disapointing flop? terra or cecil
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Terra has easily been more disappointing.
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But my expectations are based on two knowns. 1. Kefka's contest strength. 2. FF6's popularity in the game contest.

...Then why are you expecting Vincent to be weak enough for Dante to beat?
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so whose been a more disapointing flop? terra or cecil

Terra. Her sucking means all the other potential candidates in FFVI will also suck. Cecil was all for himself.
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Typo is fixed in the voting option, but not on the results page.
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I don't think Terra is very disappointing, but Cecil was a disaster.
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From: Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted: 8/8/2005 12:38:38 AM | #253
Second, IIRC Vincent really isn't much part of the story either. Heck Red XIII had more story time.

Being a prominent figure in the storyline has absolutely nothing to do with your strength. Mercy, Magus is stronger than a majority of the contestants and he doesn't have nearly the storyline prominence of MANY other characters.

Except Magus does have rather high significance and Chrono Trigger is extremely popular. I really doubt prominence in the storyline has no affect whatsoever. That doesn't make sense. If that were the case, why would heroes be so much stronger than everyone else?

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Within the games. I'm not forgetting about Sephiroth and whoever else -_-

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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 8/8/2005 3:52:40 AM | Message Detail | #286
Typo is fixed in the voting option, but not on the results page.

It's the poll results page that matters, but right now I'm fiddling with the code. Next update might be buggy.
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Well, Leonhart, the primary factor there is Kefka. FF6's performance just solidifies that there are actually FF6 fans here.

And I know that was intended to shoot me down, but even if I assume that Aeris = Vincent, and Terra = 20%, Dante's well within swinging range of Vincent right now. (even though I'm thinking Vincent will be slightly lower than Aeris... just slightly)
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And the draw of the game originally WAS the single player. Multiplayer become the prevalent draw a year or two after release.

Didn't know that. O_o

Fine, Kerrigan exudes badassitude. She's just as likable. And she looks evil.

Speaking of that, I had Kerrigan as my background for about a week, and my mother would complain everytime she walked by or looked at it, making comments like, "Why won't you change that? It looks so evil, and violent and... sick." I'd say, "What, don't you like it?" And she said, "No, it looks like she is going to torture someone." I said, "... How does a head look like it is going to torture someone?" She said, "Because it looks evil..."

I changed it after about a week of that. <_<

Not at all relevant, but still amusing.

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You still seem to be stretching there with Terra = 20% on Link right now. I just can't see Dante making THAT large of a jump. What was so great about DMC3 that warrants such a boost?
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You still seem to be stretching there with Terra = 20% on Link right now. I just can't see Dante making THAT large of a jump. What was so great about DMC3 that warrants such a boost?

I'm no expert but...

It was better than the disaster that was DMC2?
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How 'bout that? As soon as Dante's typo is fixed, his percentage goes down...
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It was better than the disaster that was DMC2?

The disaster that was DMC2 might explain the sales drop off, which implies that a lot of fans lost interest and there aren't that many new fans entering into the fray.
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Who else thinks it's not too surprising for people to think Mumei isn't a guy?

>.>

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Didn't know that. O_o

Well, for about a year anyway. Don't get me wrong, the multiplayer was still popular, but it wasn't the only reason people bought it like it is now.
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At worst, Kerrigan and Overmind are both the mains in the forst Zerg campaign. The entire point of that campaign is to get the Overmind on Aiur. You see Kerrigan for less than half the missions.

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Well it wasn't "widely disappointing" like DMC2 was. And Dante apparently gained 3% from that one. It's more a combination of Dante being underrated (he did look like crap vs Sonic) last year, and DMC3 giving him a similar boost to what DMC2 did. It's not that ridiculous.
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