Shadow would rape Terra.

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"It takes but a man to gaze into his own twilight and approach it with fear. It takes but a legend to approach it with open arms." - The Unheard Z

I think right here's pretty good, myself. How weak can she really be?

Pretty weak, apparently. This doesn't convince me that Dante can win the division any more than I thought he could yesterday.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Kefka > Terra and Vivi > Zidane.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

I would take Zidane over Terra in a heartbeat. Not sure why, exactly, but it feels right.
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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO...Pac-Man?

This is sort of similar to saying Magus could beat Crono. The concept is similar anyway.

. . .

How is that even related? Magus isn't there anywhere near as long as Crono. But this contest isn't about solely being well-known, you also have to retain some likability. There's absolutely no reason to believe that Aeris being the "spoiler" is going to cause her to be more popular than other characters with far more likability. At the least, Vincent should be near equal to her. Seriously, there's no reason to believe he'll be far below her. It doesn't matter if you do believe Aeris > Vincent, it shouldn't be by much. Unless, of course, you're out of touch with things concerning FFVII.

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This is sort of similar to saying Magus could beat Crono. The concept is similar anyway.

Not in the least. Aeris isn't the main character.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Diablo is the most popular Blizzard character by leaps and bounds. BOOK'D.

I agree with the rest of your analysis, but I'm not so sure about this. We just haven't seen a comparison of the popularity of Diablo and Starcraft in a contest setting, and I'm skeptical that Diablo II would be able to match Starcraft's strength.

We still don't have a handle on the strength of Blizzard characters. Honestly, Kerrigan could have been an extreme variable if placed anywhere else in the bracket... but her beating an FF7 rep is hard to swallow.
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I can't think of anything to put here, but I can't just leave it blank, can I?

I do think Terra's weaker than Kefka, but for the supposed "Main Character" of FF6 to be below the Vyse fodder line seems silly to me.
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Raiden fact of the contest: Alucard is a plagiarist, this year Raiden will prove it!

She couldn't be much weaker than Kefka without falling below that line, you know.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

To extend on Leon's point, I don't think that this says much. Just because we all know who Terra is and like her doesn't automatically make Dante a powerhouse. This may not be any different from him killing Q*Bert, Ryo Hazuki, or Ratchet in that he'll look primed for a big second round win, then bomb. I think we may need to start getting over the barrier that all Final Fantasy characters have to be strong.

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"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

How is that even related? Magus isn't there anywhere near as long as Crono. But this contest isn't about solely being well-known, you also have to retain some likability. There's absolutely no reason to believe that Aeris being the "spoiler" is going to cause her to be more popular than other characters with far more likability. At the least, Vincent should be near equal to her. Seriously, there's no reason to believe he'll be far below her. It doesn't matter if you do believe Aeris > Vincent, it shouldn't be by much. Unless, of course, you're out of touch with things concerning FFVII.

He doesn't even do anything the whole game... He's just there. And I mentioned Magus because he's far more likable than Crono (allegedly), and Crono is there for a good bit more than Magus (especially if you don't know how to get him on your team). It was a loose comparison.
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"All pretty girls are a trap, a pretty trap, and men expect them to be."
MasterMage119

I think right here's pretty good, myself. How weak can she really be?

You can't set her at a floor when we've seen that SNES FF characters can be weak as hell. Or any FF characters really.

True, but people will remember Aeris longer then they will remember Vincent.

That doesn't make her the third most popular FF character. Really, Tifa and Vincent will end up being more popular. Thinking her being in a spoiler somehow makes her the limit on how popular the next FFVII character can be is sort of stupid.

And again, Vincent's optional status is hardly worth discussing this many years after the game's release. The popularity of it and Vincent have been far to high to even bother.

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Why were some believing Terra would offer anything in the way of a threat to Dante? He's a solid midcarder, and her villain is fairly lacklustre in these contests to begin with.

I don't believe Hero >> Villain plays a large part at all in the case of Terra; love him or hate him Kefka's a memorable personality, while she's too easy to get lost in the crowd. She never really did enough to set herself apart & make that lasting impression.

Well... I can see Terra being weaker than Kefka, and below the line. Simply because FF6 is the only one of the FFs that is an basically an ensemble piece... Terra is the main character in that the story centers around her, but she doesn't really get the most screen time.
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I can't think of anything to put here, but I can't just leave it blank, can I?

He doesn't even do anything the whole game... He's just there. And I mentioned Magus because he's far more likable than Crono (allegedly), and Crono is there for a good bit more than Magus (especially if you don't know how to get him on your team). It was a loose comparison.

Who doesn't do anything? I hope you wouldn't mean Crono.

And every character boils down to being more likable. This contest isn't about being well-known. Yes, that helps, but there is FAR more to it than that. Otherwise, there would be many characters far higher than they are due to being so well-known. Crono isn't just there for a "good bit more." He's there for basically beginning to end and Magus first appears about halfway through. He disappears, comes back later on disguised, and then only joins you at the very end of the game.

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I think we may need to start getting over the barrier that all Final Fantasy characters have to be strong.

I think we've pretty much seen all of the FF characters who can be considered "strong" now, other than maybe a couple of other FFVII characters who will likely never see the light of day in this contest.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

I'm betting a lot of a Dante voters don't even know who Terra is
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VOTE FOR TERRA, SUMMER 2005 CONTEST!

I think we've pretty much seen all of the FF characters who can be considered "strong" now, other than maybe a couple of other FFVII characters who will likely never see the light of day in this contest.

Haven't seen Vincent/Tifa yet, but I'm sure they'll be just as strong...
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"Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone's got one and nobody thinks their's stink." -Lunar 2:EB
*Claims KG's Eclair & Millia Rage*

Who doesn't do anything? I hope you wouldn't mean Crono.

Vincent. Crono does enough.

And every character boils down to being more likable. This contest isn't about being well-known. Yes, that helps, but there is FAR more to it than that. Otherwise, there would be many characters far higher than they are due to being so well-known. Crono isn't just there for a "good bit more." He's there for basically beginning to end and Magus first appears about halfway through. He disappears, comes back later on disguised, and then only joins you at the very end of the game.

The problem is, you're trying to quantify likability. You can't do that. What this comes down to is, FF7 isn't THAT much more popular than Starcraft. And Vincent is at best a tertiary character, while Kerrigan is pretty much the undisputed main character. For some reason, people just don't seem to be realizing that.
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"All pretty girls are a trap, a pretty trap, and men expect them to be."
MasterMage119

We just haven't seen a comparison of the popularity of Diablo and Starcraft in a contest setting, and I'm skeptical that Diablo II would be able to match Starcraft's strength.

Except that my analysis has nothing to do with the strength of the games. Diablo the character is in Diablo's multiplayer; Kerrigan is nowhere to be seen in Starcraft's other than the Brood War loading screen. Diablo the game is more popular than Starcraft the game in America both in sales and Bnet traffic.

Diablo hails from a game entitled "Diablo." Kerrigan does not hail from a game entitled "Kerrigan." I don't understand why this is so difficult a concept when comparing the two characters and seeing who is the stronger of the two. Kerrigan is not the face of Starcraft; the multiplayer is. Diablo, however, is the face of Diablo. Unless you're playing LOD, Diablo himself is your main goal.

I'm almost willing to redo my Crew writeup and say that Vincent can break 70% on Kerrigan. Almost.

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"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

My problem with Vincent is that he shows up fairly late in the first disc (if you bother to get him), and there's never a time that you're forced to take him into your party. It may sound shocking to suggest that there are people on GameFAQs that aren't familiar with Vincent Valentine, but I don't think he's got the same kind of recognition that Aeris "Hi, I'm in the opening FMV and video gaming's biggest walking spoiler" Gainsborough has. Mind you, I don't think that Kerrigan poses a threat to him, because I think she'll end up around the VFL when all is said and done...but a bigger name like Dante (and definitely Magus/Squall) could present a problem.
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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO...Pac-Man?

anyone think that if vincent can beat kerrigan with ease then his match against dante will be very close?
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

I was already including them in the equation, for the record.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

That doesn't make her the third most popular FF character. Really, Tifa and Vincent will end up being more popular. Thinking her being in a spoiler somehow makes her the limit on how popular the next FFVII character can be is sort of stupid.

And again, Vincent's optional status is hardly worth discussing this many years after the game's release. The popularity of it and Vincent have been far to high to even bother.

First of all I would agree to Tifa > Aeris
Second, IIRC Vincent really isn't much part of the story either. Heck Red XIII had more story time.
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I've been Pwned by KoaC. He really is the king of all cosmos.

I think we've pretty much seen all of the FF characters who can be considered "strong" now

Hmm, you're right. Well, until FFXII.
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I can't think of anything to put here, but I can't just leave it blank, can I?

And by the way, I've been saying for months that the only Terra pic that would be recognizable is a sprite.

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"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

This is looking bad for Vincent...a severely handi-capped Dante is still owning the votes against Terra.

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This match makes me hop on the *spoilers* strength bandwagon. If no other FF characters can touch them, why should Vincent be any different. He's not even part of the main plot...

This match really makes me wonder why Crono is so popular and how these things are set up. It just seems so random.

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Did the PS2's light just change color...?!

FFXII ought to be about the same strenght as FFX Characters
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

Second, IIRC Vincent really isn't much part of the story either. Heck Red XIII had more story time.

Yuffie has more story time.
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"All pretty girls are a trap, a pretty trap, and men expect them to be."
MasterMage119

And by the way, I've been saying for months that the only Terra pic that would be recognizable is a sprite.

So has everyone else.
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"All pretty girls are a trap, a pretty trap, and men expect them to be."
MasterMage119

Vincent has almost no story in FFVII. That's why he probably deserves Dirge of Cerberus.
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If we place Terra at 20%, Dante is at 32.25% on 2k3 Link right now. I can't see her being much weaker than this.

But hell, just for fun, lets put her at Crash's level. I remember when I said but an hour ago that Dante would double her... the reply was "There's no way that Terra's weaker than Crash!". 30.33% on 2k3 Link.

Dante's looking pretty suave if he can keep this up. I think he'll increase during the day. Expect him to break 70%.
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Raiden fact of the contest: Alucard is a plagiarist, this year Raiden will prove it!

Yep, changing one letter in his name automatically means that no one knows who he is, and they can't recognize his picture either.

I think today's match proves that voters care more about pictures than we may think, personally.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

If Advent children and Dirge of Cerberus had come out how many would be backing vincent?
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

This match makes me hop on the *spoilers* strength bandwagon. If no other FF characters can touch them, why should Vincent be any different. He's not even part of the main plot...

Because nothing related to FFVII has shown any signs of weakness in this contest
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From: Eggplant Lord | Posted: 8/8/2005 3:32:11 AM | Message Detail | #228
This match really makes me wonder why Crono is so popular and how these things are set up. It just seems so random.

GameFAQs truly loves its Chrono Trigger.

And you what, I love this site for loving it. GameFAQs is awesome.
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This match really makes me wonder why Crono is so popular and how these things are set up. It just seems so random.

Well, he's the face of Chrono Trigger (not to mention practically having his name in the title), and he's a pretty recognizable figure in the RPG world. I knew who he was long before I even played the game. Couldn't say the same about Magus or Frog. Crono sorta represents the game as a whole.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Danta looks alot like Dante, I didn't even notice it said Danta until I looked at the poll results.
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Raiden fact of the contest: Alucard is a plagiarist, this year Raiden will prove it!

Except that my analysis has nothing to do with the strength of the games. Diablo the character is in Diablo's multiplayer; Kerrigan is nowhere to be seen in Starcraft's other than the Brood War loading screen. Diablo the game is more popular than Starcraft the game in America both in sales and Bnet traffic.

Diablo hails from a game entitled "Diablo." Kerrigan does not hail from a game entitled "Kerrigan." I don't understand why this is so difficult a concept when comparing the two characters and seeing who is the stronger of the two. Kerrigan is not the face of Starcraft; the multiplayer is. Diablo, however, is the face of Diablo. Unless you're playing LOD, Diablo himself is your main goal.

That all depends on your interpretation of what the "face" of a game is. I've had Starcraft since 2001, didn't play the single player until this year, and already had the image of Kerrigan burned into my mind. And I was well aware of her name before I ever played the campaign too.
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"All pretty girls are a trap, a pretty trap, and men expect them to be."
MasterMage119

None of us are going to change our opinon for atleast another 36 hours (Starcraft has a strong night vote) so I'm going to bed.
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I've been Pwned by KoaC. He really is the king of all cosmos.

Vincent. Crono does enough.

What this comes down to is, FF7 isn't THAT much more popular than Starcraft. And Vincent is at best a tertiary character, while Kerrigan is pretty much the undisputed main character. For some reason, people just don't seem to be realizing that.

FFVII IS that much more popular than StarCraft. I don't even see how you can begin to think they aren't. You have to understand that FFVII would be projected to gather some 65% against StarCraft. By no means is that close at all. Not only that, but the characters in StarCraft are by no means nearly as the focus as the characters in FFVII are. Yes, I know people have played the campaign, but you're trying to make it out like Kerrigan being the main character is something huge. People actually have to CARE for her, especially enough to be strong. I think she'll be near Diablo, but asking for more than that is insane. Vincent shouldn't have any trouble disposing of Diablo either.

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But this contest isn't about solely being well-known, you also have to retain some likability.

But... how... why... is Master Hand as popular as he is? >_<

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Diablo hails from a game entitled "Diablo." Kerrigan does not hail from a game entitled "Kerrigan." I don't understand why this is so difficult a concept when comparing the two characters and seeing who is the stronger of the two. Kerrigan is not the face of Starcraft; the multiplayer is. Diablo, however, is the face of Diablo. Unless you're playing LOD, Diablo himself is your main goal.

I'm almost willing to redo my Crew writeup and say that Vincent can break 70% on Kerrigan. Almost.

True. Now that you put it that way, I agree with you... although I think 65's probably a better bet. I still disagree with you on the "Diablo's name is in the game title" point, though. The only voter that would be swayed by that is one who doesn't really care about either character, but who played Diablo in passing. That argument reminds me too much of the spring's "Dark Link and Dark Samus would be invincible because they have Link and Samus in their names!" arguments.
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I can't think of anything to put here, but I can't just leave it blank, can I?

I didn't even NOTICE the error in the poll until somebody pointed it out. Most people probably weren't really paying enough attention to catch the error when they were voting, and they are more than able to recognize a picture of Dante.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Expect him to break 70%.

I highly doubt that he can. He traditionally sucks with the day vote, and his percentage has already started going down.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Being weaker than CATS is considered likeabe?

Because nothing related to FFVII has shown any signs of weakness in this contest

Thank you. In the three years we've had contests, FFVII is the only entity never to disappoint. You can make a case for Cloud/Mario, but... don't.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

Has anyone noticed that even creative's updater has him called "Danta"?

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

But... how... why... is Master Hand as popular as he is? >_<

...He's not that popular. He's very weak in the grand scheme of things. He just seemed like more of a force in comparison to the crap that the Villains Contest dished out.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno