(I should say "possible" anomalies, as we don't actually have anything definitive on Frog causing weirdness yet)
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Magus beat Ganondorf. There isn't much chance we're overrating him.

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SC2k5: 18/19 (Curse you Ness!)
Today: Crono vs. Zidane

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HM definitely knows his stuff, but I stay alot more skeptical on him than most users when it involves characters I know he likes. No offense to the guy, of course; there's alot of times he's still right despite being biased. It's just that he's been on the other side of that field, too.

I know what ya mean.

And Magus over Ganon was a good display of strength yes, but was that in 03? If so, then uhh....I blame it on Square having a good year then <_<
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"Masa, everytime I talk to you, my urge for hot pockets rises. Damn you" - Linky.

Could any regular player get him without using a guide?

I could not. FFVII's movement system was for me nearly impossible to accurately judge, so I only got 3 of 4 clues.

The one I did not? Move 8 steps 1 way, 2 another, or some such. I pressed A on nearly everything in that **** mansion.
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Summer 2k5 Contest - 18/19
Today: Crono Tomorrow: Dante (Dang you CJ)

Magus beat Ganondorf. There isn't much chance we're overrating him.

Unless Ganondorf got the same big boost Link did in 2004 and it lined up close to his 2003 number...
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Unless Ganondorf got the same big boost Link did in 2004 and it lined up close to his 2003 number...

Ganondorf broke 40% on Sephiroth. I think his strength has been proven.

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SC2k5: 18/19 (Curse you Ness!)
Today: Crono vs. Zidane

One thing that worries me about Magus is that 2k3 is Link's weakest year.

After letting noone but Seph to break 40% on him in 2k2, his performance in 2k3 as a whole seems like a choke job.

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I'm tired of the indications that people that like GTA and Halo are pretty much idiots. If those so called casual gamers had a significant effect on the contest, Master Chief, Vercetti and Ceej would be MUCH stronger.

Casual gamers do NOT rule this site NOR do they rule the vote. The casual voters are probably people who think just like us. There's not anything special about people that roam the boards on this site.
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Ganondorf broke 40% on Sephiroth. I think his strength has been proven

That's not what I'm saying.

Link got a big boost in 2004, and yet somehow Ganondorf didn't (even though Zelda has shown signs of boosting, and I think she would have in 2004 as well). It's possible that Magus may have overperformed to the extent that somehow Ganondorf's increase got covered up due to SFF and Magus's overperformance in 2003.

Heck, Tidus and Shadow looked to have fallen proportionally big time in 2004, so stranger things have happened.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

"And he did beat Ganon;"

Meh


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Have you ever seen a Turtle get down?

I'm tired of the indications that people that like GTA and Halo are pretty much idiots.

Did I say they were idiots?
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I've been Pwned by KoaC. He really is the king of all cosmos.

Maybe not idiots, but you implied that they were ignorant.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Will Tommy getting anti-voted by Kefka fans next round make him look weaker then he is?
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Summer Contest Score: 18/19
Today's Pick: Crono

I doubt most of the Kefka fans were planning on voting for Vercetti next round anyway. 2003 showed us that his fanbase overlaps with Crono significantly.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

I don't think people will remember TV vs. Kefka by the time TV vs. Crono comes around.

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"After letting noone but Seph to break 40% on him in 2k2, his performance in 2k3 as a whole seems like a choke job."

Because he did better than expected on Samus and lost to the character who has proven to be second best of all time? Right...
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Have you ever seen a Turtle get down?

Magus had a bandwagon in 2k3 similar to the one Frog had in 2k4. For all we know, people that normally wouldn't vote for him may have supported him in 2k3 just to see him do well. Look at Frog in 2k4... he was practically a Cinderella.

Also, although other people may not put as much as I do behind this, we've SEEN Magus get significantly SFF'd by his lead. Not saying that wasn't supposed to happen, since Crono is his lead, but it shows that Magus's voters aren't as hardcore as they seem. Magus falls in line in popularity just like any other character. So Magus voters being hardcore has already been proven wrong. Now if CHRONO TRIGGER voters are hardcore, then that's a different story. That remains to be seen however... and I doubt they're more hardcore than FF7 fans....
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Because he did better than expected on Samus and lost to the character who has proven to be second best of all time? Right...

SFF anyone?

If Bowser can SFF Ness, then Link SFF'ing Samus by a few percent is certainly possible.

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This was kinda from the last topic, but I got home a couple hours ago, so here are my Top 5 Favorite Contest Matches:

1. Donkey Kong Vs. Duck Hunt (Totally underrated)
2. Mario Vs. Crono II
3. Sonic Vs. Samus I
4. Mario Vs. Cloud
5. Frog Vs. Liquid Snake
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http://www.cbs.com/primetime/bigbrother6/_polls/amc_poll.shtml
VOTE FOR KAYSAR!

How many people here seriously think Terra > Dante?
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"Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone's got one and nobody thinks their's stink." -Lunar 2:EB
*Claims KG's Eclair & Millia Rage*

A point of interest: even without any possible SFF in this match, Zidane would still be expected to get 67.95% on Kuja.
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Eh, I'm too lazy to keep up with a contest sig.

I switched back to Dante before the bracket closed. Every pick I changed has been for the better, so I'm hoping that continues tomorrow. =p

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 2 - (4) Ness
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That remains to be seen however... and I doubt they're more hardcore than FF7 fans...

I'm sure CT fans are more hardcore than FF VII fans, even if not by much.

CT is older than FF VII, yet it managed to get so close to FF VII in the Best Game Ever contest.

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SFF anyone?

There wasn't any SFF in Link/Mario 2k2. Why would there be in Link/Samus?
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Summer 2005 Contest - 17/19 points
Current Match Prediction: Crono vs. Zidane

There wasn't any SFF in Link/Mario 2k2. Why would there be in Link/Samus?

Oh, but I say there was. In both matches.
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

I switched back to Dante before the bracket closed. Every pick I changed has been for the better, so I'm hoping that continues tomorrow. =p

I wish I can say that.

I had Ness > CJ before I looked at the BOP.

At first my hunch told me that CJ isn't a char anyone will vote for, I wish I had listened to it.

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There wasn't any SFF in Link/Mario 2k2. Why would there be in Link/Samus?

I'm sure there is, even if it's only a few percent.

Mario gained a percent against Link 2k3 between 2k2 and 2k3.
In 2k4, however, he lost it again.

IMO, 2k2 is Mario's strongest year with respect to Link 2k3, it's just that in 2k2 he was SFF'ed a little by Link.

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How many people here seriously think Terra > Dante?

I think Terra > Dante is a serious possibility, but I don't seriously think Terra > Dante; I've got enough confidence in Dante to win, though it could be a close one in either's favor.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

*yawn* I stayed in the "George Romero" chat room for a while last night...figure I might as well post the more interesting tidbits here (though I don't imagine there's anything new).

ChainLightningZ2 (3:02:38 AM): wait, which other past votes did you stuff?
M410123 (3:02:45 AM): lots
M410123 (3:02:54 AM): Mario
M410123 (3:03:02 AM): are the biggest ones proabably
M410123 (3:03:27 AM): Mario in 2k2 and 2k3

FrameRunner158 (3:05:00 AM): m4, so how do you do the stuffing?
M410123 (3:06:12 AM): proxies

FrameRunner158 (3:12:59 AM): hey m4
FrameRunner158 (3:13:08 AM): you planning on doing more stuffing?
M410123 (3:13:14 AM): IDK
M410123 (3:13:25 AM): CjayC has a way of finding out now
FrameRunner158 (3:13:32 AM): really? what does he do
M410123 (3:13:36 AM): IDK

M410123 (3:28:54 AM): StarCraft owned me badly
DocPooki (3:29:11 AM): what do u mean owned u ?
M410123 (3:29:24 AM): I was against Starcraft the whole time

M410123 (3:30:04 AM): Frog > MC -> Me
M410123 (3:30:18 AM): course I wasnt the only stuffer there
M410123 (3:30:24 AM): but MC would have won without me
DocPooki (3:31:50 AM): u were apart of the 7 vote differential?
M410123 (3:31:55 AM): yeah
M410123 (3:32:02 AM): I had a few hundred extras for Frog
M410123 (3:32:12 AM): was only there in the afternoon

Villainous Link (3:54:12 AM): Ah, just left the post open so I could read any good stuff. I'm Chamek btw, heya Fred (BeTheMan) I'm the one who voted 52 times for Hermione in your HP save my character. Hmm... I have something in common with George here it seems
M410123 (3:54:29 AM): I used to do that
M410123 (3:55:37 AM): wait
M410123 (3:55:47 AM): Im talking about cheating in those user board tounraments

Chaoskid111111 (4:33:56 AM): Were you ever against Sonic?
M410123 (4:34:08 AM): yeah
M410123 (4:34:13 AM): Samus
Chaoskid111111 (4:34:24 AM): Both times?
M410123 (4:34:32 AM): second time she didnt need my help

M410123 (5:31:52 AM): I've been cheating since 2k2
M410123 (5:32:15 AM): And I wasn't the only one cheating in 2k2
STUMP805 (5:32:26 AM): but didnt brag about them when you had your friend post a bragging message on board 8
M410123 (5:32:40 AM): Why would I brag about them?
M410123 (5:32:50 AM): there are many close matches I didnt effect
Chaoskid111111 (5:34:05 AM): Could you make CATS win a match without getting caught? >.> Im just curious how powerful you are in these things
M410123 (5:34:08 AM): I didn't do anything with Magus vs. Gannondorf
M410123 (5:34:17 AM): No, I couldn't make CATS win

STUMP805 (5:35:07 AM): the ones im not buying into are the crono/mario and link/cloud
M410123 (5:35:26 AM): Crono Mario I effected
M410123 (5:35:30 AM): Link Cloud I didnt
M410123 (5:35:33 AM): I already stated this
M410123 (5:35:54 AM): Ulti said I cheated in them which I did, but the effect of the match wasnt changed
M410123 (5:36:00 AM): he left that part out
M410123 (5:36:11 AM): 2k3 Cloud wins without me, 2k4 Cloud loses with me

Chaoskid111111 (5:36:36 AM): Ok...one thing I wanna know...Aeris vs. Sonic was you too right?
Chaoskid111111 (5:36:46 AM): I mean, you helped Aeris get that far
Chaoskid111111 (5:36:47 AM): right?
M410123 (5:37:13 AM): I might have done a little bit, but not very much
M410123 (5:37:23 AM): I was expecting a blow out so I wasn
M410123 (5:37:25 AM): t
M410123 (5:37:29 AM): planning on doing anything
M410123 (5:37:36 AM): when she had 45% I stuffed a bit
M410123 (5:37:44 AM): but it didn't effect much
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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO...Pac-Man?

Btw, today's match has great vote totals so far.

Despite being an "internal" affair.

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CT is older than FF VII, yet it managed to get so close to FF VII in the Best Game Ever contest.

I meant that out of people who like both, I don't see more people siding with Magus than they would for Vincent... especially since they've already seen what Magus can do in a contest.

The winner of that match is looking at a match with Crono anyways. I'm sure people aren't looking forward to a Crono/Magus rematch. Vincent seems to have every single little thing in his favor... O_O
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

*a long while later, when the room was pretty empty...*

M410123 (7:54:34 AM): I also didn't cheat for Mario in SC2k4 because I had Crono in my bracket
M410123 (7:55:15 AM): I know I'm not the only person that stuffed, but without me, Frog loses to Liquid and Master Chief. That's a fact.
M410123 (7:55:54 AM): Believe whatever you want. Its 5 am. I'm gonig to sleep.


And that's about all of it. He made reference to another person that he was aware of doing things, but I don't want to post it here...I'd rather not have someone get hung up to dry on speculation alone.
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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO...Pac-Man?

How many people here seriously think Terra > Dante?
*raises hand*
Anyone believing it will be a blowout is in for a big surprise tomorrow...and no I don't think she's the favorite, but I can see her win
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SpC2k4 Triple Crown WINNER (Oracle, Betting, Spread Betting)
SC2k4 - 12th place

How many people here seriously think Terra > Dante?

I think you know my feelings on the matter.
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

And that's about all of it. He made reference to another person that he was aware of doing things, but I don't want to post it here...I'd rather not have someone get hung up to dry on speculation alone.

They wouldn't get in trouble because of what someone with no integrity says.
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"All pretty girls are a trap, a pretty trap, and men expect them to be."
MasterMage119

M410123 (3:30:04 AM): Frog > MC -> Me
M410123 (3:30:18 AM): course I wasnt the only stuffer there
M410123 (3:30:24 AM): but MC would have won without me
DocPooki (3:31:50 AM): u were apart of the 7 vote differential?
M410123 (3:31:55 AM): yeah
M410123 (3:32:02 AM): I had a few hundred extras for Frog
M410123 (3:32:12 AM): was only there in the afternoon

That would make MC's day-vote all the more intimidating if he's honest.


M410123 (5:34:17 AM): No, I couldn't make CATS win

Ansem/CATS, surely, if he's as good as he thinks he is.



Now, with those said, I'm not believing too much of what he said before 2k5; I truly doubt he has the power he makes it sound like he has.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

;_; Sonic? He cheated against Sonic???
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Tomorrow starts the division that will make me or break me. Vincent needs to perform terribly on Kerrigan, but still win, and Dante needs to impress.

LETS GO *****.

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Cheer Up Emo Kids.

Oh, I don't know why people are still talking about this, but Romero is obviously full of ****. It should go no further than the arguement that he's getting busted for a mere 1800 Kefka votes, when he's done much, MUCH larger vote stuffing in previous matches, and only gets caught now? Bull****.

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Cheer Up Emo Kids.

I'm with EC. Given how easily he was caught in such a minor match, I don't think he's ever made a sizable difference.
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

Oh yeah, new pictures tonight! Hopefully Kerrigan's picture is sheer awesomness! I should probably start e-mailing SC sites to post news links for the match. Eh, I'll do it tomorrow...
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"All pretty girls are a trap, a pretty trap, and men expect them to be."
MasterMage119

Personally, I expect Kerrigan to be stronger than Diablo. The "she isn't in the multiplayer" argument strikes me about as silly as the "Vincent is optional" argument. She's in the instruction book, she is massive in the single player campaign, and she is everywhere in UMS games. Oh, and Starcraft has been out for 7 years also, so its not as if she hasn't had the chance to have some exposure. Considering how strong Starcraft has shown itself, to laugh Kerrigan off as fodder seems foolish. Vincent is likely going to beat her, but even then unless Vincent mutilates her I'm going to believe it's more Vincent's strength than Kerrigan's weakness, at least till I see round 2.
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Hail to the Queen of Blades.

Even though I think Vincent will beat Kerrigan with 60%+, I'm hoping he bombs and barely manages to scrape past her.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 17/19 points
Current Match Prediction: Crono vs. Zidane

Tomorrow starts the division that will make me or break me. Vincent needs to perform terribly on Kerrigan, but still win, and Dante needs to impress.

Same for me, but there's also the dream division.
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I've been Pwned by KoaC. He really is the king of all cosmos.

Well, the tools that Ceej used to caught GR might not be available back then.

With that said, I'll take GR's claims with a HUGE grain of salt.

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Oh, I really want to see what pic Terra gets.


And Romero, he's just feeding you what you want to hear. You suspect something, you mention a match to him, he takes advantage and takes credit for it. The guy couldn't have affected so many matches without getting caught already.
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"Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone's got one and nobody thinks their's stink." -Lunar 2:EB
*Claims KG's Eclair & Millia Rage*

First Starcraft, then Frog/MC. This guy's growing even more unbelievable by the hour. I mean, those are already record setters, no way that wasn't even more amazing than what we saw.
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SC2K5 status - Points: 018/019 - Matches: 18/19 - Rank: 00149/33793 - Today: Crono - Tomorrow: Dante*
*w/ account on the line

Personally, I expect Kerrigan to be stronger than Diablo. The "she isn't in the multiplayer" argument strikes me about as silly as the "Vincent is optional" argument. She's in the instruction book, she is massive in the single player campaign, and she is everywhere in UMS games. Oh, and Starcraft has been out for 7 years also, so its not as if she hasn't had the chance to have some exposure. Considering how strong Starcraft has shown itself, to laugh Kerrigan off as fodder seems foolish. Vincent is likely going to beat her, but even then unless Vincent mutilates her I'm going to believe it's more Vincent's strength than Kerrigan's weakness, at least till I see round 2.

Sure people did the campaign in the first or second year, but as the years pass the people who bought the game bought it for the multiplayer.
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I've been Pwned by KoaC. He really is the king of all cosmos.

Ceej also mentioned that there were more votes stuffed by others during those matches.

And all he needs to change a Mario vs. Crono is a few hundred.

He probably got too bold with his previous successes that he became overly blatant in Kefka vs. TV.

But of course, everything he said could be nothing but a load of BS.

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