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Vercetti is an 11-12, not a 14.
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

Tommy wasn't a 14th seed. He was the equivalent of either an 11 or 12.
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The King of all Cosmos' route to summer victory:
Round 1: (0) Voters

...and because I made a typo, I get beaten to it by two seconds =D
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The King of all Cosmos' route to summer victory:
Round 1: (0) Voters

A sixth seed translates to an 11th or 12th seed in a normal bracket. I'm not sure exactly what you did for your number, but calling TV a 14 seed is giving him too much credit.
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Currently: 19/20 | Next: Dante

*is slow*
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Currently: 19/20 | Next: Dante

From: Aprosenf | Posted: 8/7/2005 12:56:22 PM | Message Detail
Actually, it's a zero-sum game. It would be negative-sum if the loser had to suicide/close or something like that instead of giving it to the winner.

I thought that is what the loser had to do.

Nevertheless, your own account is clearly worth more to you than to someone else, which makes it negative-sum.
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SpC2K5 First Vote Champion
Current Score: 18/19 | Today: Crono over Zidane

Ahh, what the hell... Tommy Vercetti, being a 6th seed, is actually the equivalent of an 11 or 12 seed.
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Have you ever seen a Turtle get down?

You know, Tommy being a 6th seed is actually like being a 11 or 12 seed in a regular Contest...

>.>

Alright, and I really do think Zidane is being SFFed a little today. I would expect Vivi to get about 30% on Crono (before SFF), so Zidane being a little weaker is just fine with me.
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Crono vs. Zidane - Bracket: Crono - Vote: Crono (17/19)

Why do I always have to straighten you guys out? A 6 seed is equivalent to an 11 or 12, not a 14.

</Woody Paige>
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

So how much of a chance does Crono > Samus have of happening? Because that's what I have in my bracket.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 17/19 points
Current Match Prediction: Crono vs. Zidane

Two hours in, this match had the highest vote totals of them all... I guess that was just due to more people staying up late to see how Kefka/Vercetti finished and then voting in the next match.
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Welcome to Moonside. Wecomel to Soonmide. Moonwel ot cosidme

It's up in the air. Samus performed better directly against Link than Crono, but Samus also went up against a weaker Link. On the other hand, Samus MAY have been SFF'd some.

Samus also did better against Lara Croft than Crono did. But not only were those matches two years apart, Crono had a MUCH stronger Lara Croft, both with her being a 1 seed and Tomb Raider actually still being somewhat popular back then.
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

It's just that with Nintendo on the rise this year, it doesn't look too likely. I've already lost faith in my Ryu winning his division upset.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 17/19 points
Current Match Prediction: Crono vs. Zidane

According to last year's stats Samus should beat Crono only by a little less than Crono beat Mario last year. In other words if all goes according to plan the match will never be in doubt.
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Have you ever seen a Turtle get down?

So how much of a chance does Crono > Samus have of happening? Because that's what I have in my bracket.

Slim, but still bigger than Mario > Samus.

Crono is quite close to Samus in strength last year, and he's been gaining slowly over the years.

If Samus's jump last year is nothing but a one-time event, a Crono victory over her is quite possible.

Plus with the big names like Link, Cloud and Seph gone, franchise voting might play a bigger role and that will benefit Crono.

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Reserved for the winner of the SC2K5 Guru Challenge.

So who thinks Vincent can beat Magus? Seriously, the more I look at it, the more I'm glad I made that decision. Vincent will be the strongest FF7 rep in the main bracket(yes, stronger than Tifa, who will probably pull an Aeris and give Sonic hell), and will take out Magus SFF style.
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WWEGSB Hardcore Legend Masa
"Masa, everytime I talk to you, my urge for hot pockets rises. Damn you" - Linky.

I've been regretting not having Vincent over Magus for awhile now.
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Have you ever seen a Turtle get down?

I have Vincent going out in Round 2 (losing to Dante).
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Summer 2005 Contest - 17/19 points
Current Match Prediction: Crono vs. Zidane

Well, Magus was stronger than Aeris, and I doubt Vincent will be that stronger tahn Aeris. It'll be close though.

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SC2k5: 18/19 (Curse you Ness!)
Today: Crono vs. Zidane

I highly disagree with this whole Nintendo is on the rise thing. We are just seeing matches with a lot of characters that we didn't have enough data on.

Bowser and Ganon are in line with what their spring performances indicated. Ness is finally showing a bit of strength now that he actually has matches he can win. Zelda only had two matches under her belt, one against someone she had no chance to beat. DK got about what he was supposed to against Sam Fisher. Kirby went against someone that the average person on GameFAQs probably wouldn't even recognize, let alone like better than him. And Mario is Mario. I see nothing really out of line yet that indicates Nintendo as a whole is on a rise.

Outside of Kirby:Canvas Curse, there's nothing that Nintendo has released of late that would warrant an increase of traffic for Nintendo fans...
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

You guys are putting too much stock on Vincent. He's an optional character for crying out loud. For all we know Kerrigan can beat him (but I don't think so). Also if Vincent gets less then 55% against Kerrigan in two days I'm 100% sure that he'll lose to Dante.
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I've been Pwned by KoaC. He really is the king of all cosmos.

I have Vincent over Magus. I don't see why people would like Aeris more than Tifa or Vincent myself. And polls on multiple sites have somewhat indicated that Vincent > Tifa > Aeris is the case. And for Aeris to be as strong as she is on this site, I would think that Tifa and Vincent would be right up there with her. Tifa and Vincent would very much have been sitting pretty at LEAST at Aeris's contest strength had it been them in 2k2 and 2k3. So until I am proven wrong, I will continue to believe that FF7 > most on this site.
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Well, I have to say that you're only right about Ganon if Yuna increased significantly. Only time will tell.

Also, how in the hell was I unaware of World of Mana? Why didn't anybody tell me about it, god dammit? Matter of fact, why has no one spoke of it at all?
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Have you ever seen a Turtle get down?

Vincent is an optional character. But he also stars in his own personal game too. Not even Cloud has that distinction.

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"Being a Hunter has to be the best job in the world! Well, next to pimp..."

"You guys are putting too much stock on Vincent."

Because he's the fan favorite from FF7, bar none.
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Have you ever seen a Turtle get down?

I don't understand why everyone always says Vincent is an optional character. Isin't this a FAQ site? Wouldin't people come here to find out how to get him?

*Looks around*

Two days until Vincent jobs to Kerrigan.

*runs*
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Hail to the Queen of Blades.

*sigh*

And for the last time, Vincent is on page 11 in the Final Fantasy 7 instruction manual. He's in the characters section of the strategy guide. He's listed in EVERY FF7 faq. And it's not like he joins near the end of the game like most optional characters. You get him before you even meet Cid.

I haven't even mentioned the fact that he is prominently featured in Advent Children previews and is even getting his own game. If you don't think that FF7 fans know of his existence, especially by now, you are sadly mistaken.
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I don't understand why everyone always says Vincent is an optional character. Isin't this a FAQ site? Wouldin't people come here to find out how to get him?

Some of them do, but most people come to look on how to beat a game. I don't care what the polls say, but Vincent is the weakest of the trio.
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I've been Pwned by KoaC. He really is the king of all cosmos.

"Isin't this a FAQ site? Wouldin't people come here to find out how to get him?"

Wut!? Dunt bee redeculouz, Vincent r the opshunal caharkter! No1 haz evar head off hem v4!
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Have you ever seen a Turtle get down?

Nintendo's not on the rise until we have more data to prove it. Remember the 2003 contest? Nintendo looked like it was going to steamroll through that thing, then Squall beat Luigi and completely reversed the momentum.
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SC2K5 status - Points: 018/019 - Matches: 18/19 - Rank: 00149/33793 - Today: Crono - Tomorrow: Dante*
*w/ account on the line

He's an optional character for crying out loud.

So what? After nearly eight years, I don't think that's going to work against him now. Plus, this is GameFAQs, and the FFVII FAQ page is constantly in the top 50. I seriously doubt a significant portion of the FFVII fanbase doesn't know who Vincent is.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Well, its not like I think that Nintendo might be rising this year is impossible, I just doubt that you can concretely prove that from the matches with had so far (which some are already doing), which put Big N powerhouses against newcommers we have no clue how strong they really are. Well, except with Zelda, but I do believe Twilight Princess had a strong influence over her anyway. I think we'd have to wait til the later round, stronger character matches, before determining anything concretely.
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"Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone's got one and nobody thinks their's stink." -Lunar 2:EB
*Claims KG's Eclair & Millia Rage*

Oh, and I think Aeris >= Tifa > Vincent. That doesn't leave Vince a lot of breathing room over Dante, but I think he can do it.
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SC2K5 status - Points: 018/019 - Matches: 18/19 - Rank: 00149/33793 - Today: Crono - Tomorrow: Dante*
*w/ account on the line

Also, how in the hell was I unaware of World of Mana? Why didn't anybody tell me about it, god dammit? Matter of fact, why has no one spoke of it at all?

I mentioned the Square-Enix Party earlier in this topic and everyone shrugged it off. I haven't played Legend of Mana, but I LOVED Secret of Mana 1 and 2. I'm hyped up for World of Mana, but I'm also quite wary of what Square-Enix is putting out. I loved Brave Fencer Musashi, but Musashi Samurai Legend was complete trash. I'm in wait and see mode.
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Vincent isn't that popular. If he was, he would've made it into the contets without a big Board 8 campaing.. I'm not saying he's weak, but stronger than Aeris? Probably not. I wouldn't be surprised if he lost to Dante.

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SC2k5: 18/19 (Curse you Ness!)
Today: Crono vs. Zidane

After seeing Rikku apparently outdo Yuna, I'm more confident that Tifa can outdo Aeris. Just being the lead female doesn't guarantee more strength, and Tifa has the same kind of appeal Rikku does.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Vincent isn't that popular. If he was, he would've made it into the contets without a big Board 8 campaing..

Man, I guess Tifa's not popular either as she had a much larger campaign than Vincent did. Aeris must be absolute trash since nobody nominates her anymore.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Tifa>Aeris I can see.

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SC2k5: 18/19 (Curse you Ness!)
Today: Crono vs. Zidane

"Square-Enix Party"

Itadaki Street... yeah, not so exciting. And after seeinf their treatment of SwoM I'm thinking WoM should be just fine.

And, to put this into perspective for all of you... Vincent is to FF7 as Boba Fett is to Star Wars.
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Have you ever seen a Turtle get down?

Man, I guess Tifa's not popular either as she had a much larger campaign than Vincent did. Aeris must be absolute trash since nobody nominates her anymore.

Did I ever say they weren't popular? I said they probably weren't as popular, but I could see it happening. Don't put words in my mouth.

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SC2k5: 18/19 (Curse you Ness!)
Today: Crono vs. Zidane

I have Dante beating Vincent not because of Vincent's weakness, but rather Dante's strength. He got a boost from DMC2, so he'll get another one from DMC3.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 17/19 points
Current Match Prediction: Crono vs. Zidane

And for the last time, Vincent is on page 11 in the Final Fantasy 7 instruction manual. He's in the characters section of the strategy guide.

Just because he's listed and people read about him doesn't mean people will vote for him. Look at Freeman or even Pac-Man.

He's listed in EVERY FF7 faq. And it's not like he joins near the end of the game like most optional characters. You get him before you even meet Cid.

Majority of people that go to the FAQs are looking to get pass a tough spot and most people don't read the whole FAQ either.

I haven't even mentioned the fact that he is prominently featured in Advent Children previews and is even getting his own game.

He won't get that much of a boost until those things actually comes out.

If you don't think that FF7 fans know of his existence, especially by now, you are sadly mistaken.

Sure the hardcore fans know him, but people that just play it like any other won't know him/care about him.
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I've been Pwned by KoaC. He really is the king of all cosmos.

You were implying that Vincent isn't as popular because he supposedly needed a campaign to get into the contest, which is an absolute load of bull. That has absolutely NOTHING to do with contest strength.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

"Vincent isn't that popular. If he was, he would've made it into the contets without a big Board 8 campaing.. "

Shows how little you know. Kerrigan got 3 times as many board noms as Vincent. He would have made it without any of those 24 noms, guatenteed.
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Have you ever seen a Turtle get down?

Vincent even has the traditional badass look appeal. I don't care for him myself, but I can see others voting for him by look alone. He has just as much appeal as Magus and Dante, so they don't have that over him. He's from a much bigger game than Dante is, so I don't think Dante will hold a candle to him.

His close match will be against Magus as they are both from widely popular games on this site. Magus is more of a fan favorite among his fans, but we have no idea how much Cloud and Sephiroth fans would support Vincent. That Sephiroth is such a huge favorite of FF7 is a dangerous indication of how they may feel about Vincent. Vincent is much closer to Sephiroth in appeal than he is to Aeris...
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

If he was, he would've made it into the contets without a big Board 8 campaing..

. . .

Uh, show me the "big Board 8 campaign" please.

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 2 - (4) Ness
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"Uh, show me the "big Board 8 campaign" please."

Well HM, there was you... and me... and 22 other people, 19 or so of which would have nominated Vincent anyway...
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Have you ever seen a Turtle get down?

Charmander, your defense of Vincent's weakness is extremely flimsy. Comparing him to Freeman or Pac-Man is ridiculous, for one thing. They have little or no appeal as characters. They get more votes for representing their games than anything else.

And banking on the idea that Vincent isn't popular because people either don't know or don't care enough to get him is ludicrous. There's simply no other way to say it. It's not that hard to get Vincent!
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno