Then you failed at being annoying, good sir.

I guess that's a good thing.
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Hmm... I'm not really sure how to feel about the poll updater returning. With so many high-profile matches coming up, the chances for increased vote stuffing will proliferate, so it can be argued that we need this as a safety barrier. Still, the constant refresh is a luxury I'm going to miss. All in all, it's probably for the better, though.

5 Minutes isn't too bad. I woulda rofl'd if he made it 3 minutes then >_> WWE reference lolol <_<
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Man, it's been a while since we've seen the board with 60000+ posts.

Nothing like a crazy controversial match and Ceej posting to stir up the board.

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If Kefka was that heavily supported, someone most likely weaker than Terra, against Vercetti, someone pretty close to Dante, bracket voting shouldn't be against Terra. Terra for the win!
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God DAMN am I sick of being right. The stats topic literally laughed at me when I said that Crono could easily break 80% on Zidane.

*tosses yet another "I told you so" brick at the stats topic*

If you disagree with me, you are wrong.

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I would be absolutely, positively stunned if Terra broke 40% on Dante.
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I think this would have made the bracket much more interesting:

Swap Zidane and Pac-Man.

Swap Geno and Wesker.

That way, Zidane and Geno both avoid SFF for sure, and we get a very interesting four pack at the bottom of the bracket. What is now a Yoshi > Ocelot borefest would probably become heavily debated... both Zidane/Ocelot and Zidane/Yoshi have potential to be interesting matches, and I know I would have taken Zidane > Yoshi.

Geno/Lloyd could spark some debate, as well.
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Terra is not looking good. Cecil blew chunks, Kefka went down to Vercetti, (You can argue till your blue that Kefka is stronger, won;t change my opinion) and Dante is significently stronger then Vercetti.

How does a character from a different game relate to terra's strength? Kefka didn't show that he's any weaker then last year, which is about what I expected. If Terra ranks a mere 4.5% ahead of kefka in the xstats that would put terra at dante's level. Not exactly impossible.
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man, can't believe I missed that finish

would anyone mind giving me a complete recap of everything that just happened during the past 5 hours or so?
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How does it act as a safety barrier?

When people aren't instantly able to see the results of their labor, it might deter them from cheating. Granted, the system is based entirely on speculation, but I feel that if it can deter one major instance of vote stuffing, it's worth it.

Of course, this is just my theory. CJayC may have an entirely different reason for bringing the updater back.
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With all that bracket support, you'd think Kefka would have won, coonsidering it was pretty close anyway.

A good 70% of 40000 bracket should have bracket voted him, and on top of that, the people who actually like him.

God damn it.
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Did Crono actually crack 80% though, or did I miss it? I know he got close.....
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Zidane is getting SFF'd or Board Vote'd one. I refuse to believe Zidane is weaker than Kite and Pikachu.
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It also gives CJayC time to see the votes, without zillions of voice crying out 'omg cheats' in unison.
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Zidane is getting SFF'd or Board Vote'd one. I refuse to believe Zidane is weaker than Kite and Pikachu.

Not so hard to belive seeing how low Kefka is in the stats.

Not so hard to belive seeing how low Kefka is in the stats.

Huh?
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Not so hard to belive seeing how low Kefka is in the stats.

I'm sure you meant Kuja.

Anyway, I've been saying Zidane would be a wimp for about 2 years now, and as I said before the contest I'm not really buying into SFF too much here.

Vivi is just far stronger than anybody else from that game, even if he did get trounced by Zelda. And the reason for that should be obvious.
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Why in the world would you compare Zidane to Kefka? Er, wait. You probably mean Kuja.

In any case, I'd think Zidane would be closer to Squall than Kuja.
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I think what Heroic Cable was tryin to say is that Kefka got 21.08% against Crono in 2k3...so Zidane doin' around this level isn't shocking.
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I had a feeling Tommy V. would beat Kefka. I voted for him and had him beating Kefka in my bracket. I know Kefka is a creation of Square which makes him a favorite, but more people know of GTA and therefore Vercetti.
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Glad to see the discussion topic is at least moving on :P Very good
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So what happened in Pokemon/Xenogears before the reset? I keep hearing it referenced.
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And the reason for that should be obvious.

I doubt it really gives him that big of a boost. If there were black mages with that look in your party in ff7, 8, 10, 6, 4... then I could see your point. There is no way looking like that brings him from kuja's level to where he is now. That's just far to high of a difference for me to believe.
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Only registered users were allowed to vote, resulting in very low vote totals and a different trend.
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Don't matter, because a zillion idiots would have anti-voted Pokemon no matter what.
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That's odd... my oracle prediction is fairly accurate right now *has Crono with just below 80%* This won't last >_>
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I think this match also shows that being old school ff isn't what makes you suck, it's the fact that you suck that makes you suck. Granted, this could have sff, but still..
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The worst thing about the Kefka/Vercetti match will be the endless bickering and adjusting over it in the x-stats.

:/
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so what was the final score of the kefka/vercetti bout?
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Simple. Find out how many cheated votes there were for Vercetti. Just look at the updater and extrapolate.

Someone asked about Poke/Xeno:

It was easily on pace to have the lowest number of votes all time. Only registered users could vote, and they had to be logged in. Better yet was that only one person per similar IP could vote. In a college dorm? Someone vote before you? Too bad.

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so there was genuine cheating there. but would have vercetti won anyway?
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He can't know, but if the site admin who can see the IPs tells me that there were proxies vote-stuffing late in that match (he used the word "stuff"), I'll believe him before I do you. No offense.

Hmmm...? Do you believe I'm trying to say that Kefka didn't cheat? Because obviously he did, and Ceej's estimate was probably fairly accurate there. I'm talking about Tommy's late surge, which was clear, even if Ceej doesn't know how it happened.

My opinion is that some guy felt like being a dick. Maybe he was bitter about Kefka losing and wanted to see Vercetti get busted for cheating before the poll ended. Either way, how many cheated Vercetti votes do you expect?

Looks like right around 600 votes for Tommy at the end.

Again, he Tommy deserved to win, but the "he would've won anyway" thing isn't really true. Not that it matters much, I just found it very strange for Ceej to post that given the extra ~600 votes.
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The difference in the xstats isn't exactly going to be ground breaking. Were talking about tenths to hundreths of percentages in the stats here. It really isn't worth adjusting over. Too much effort for such a small change to be made.
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The worst thing about the Kefka/Vercetti match will be the endless bickering and adjusting over it in the x-stats.

A couple thousand votes doesn't matter too much for the x-stats, given their margin of error. I don't think anyone would worry about an adjustment here.
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The worst thing about the Kefka/Vercetti match will be the endless bickering and adjusting over it in the x-stats.

Vercetti WON; adjusting isn't even goin' to be an issue, what with Vercetti/Crono on the horizon.
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I know I'm a few hundred posts late with this, but what is the Slowflake Curse?
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From: creativename | Posted: 8/7/2005 3:26:16 AM | Message Detail | #356
I would be absolutely, positively stunned if Terra broke 40% on Dante.

Err, actually I retract this. Terra at 40% is about the most I could reasonably see her. I won't delete that post but I was going overboard there.

Though it does apply to 45%. I cannot see Terra getting that much. And I do expect Dante to clear 60% fairly easily.
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I suppose it would only matter if something really odd happens, and people start assuming that there were ____ many cheated votes, what the real difference was and adjusting for it, to make things make sense for them.

The first person who adjusts these two to prove a point better have a damn good argument and reasoning, or they shall be '-_-'d' upon.

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Again though, we really don't need to worry about this having affected previous close matches. Some matches are just going to be close; that's how they are. This person, who seems so desperate for communicating with us now, would not have waited all this time to reveal himself to the boards. If he were going to reveal himself, he would have waited for a high profile match, because, if he truly did as much as he claims, he would have been able to avoid being caught.

Also, we monitor the results closely; that's what we do in this topic. We know the tell tale signs of cheating, and we found them. If he were cheating as he was in this match, and why would he try something new if his older method were working so well, we would have seen it.
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Though it does apply to 45%.

Would you like to make a sig bet on that?
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creative, I think I misunderstood that post as you assuming that Vercetti's late votes weren't cheated. My mistake.

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by the way what is that topic cjayc made i can't find it anywhere
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Also, we monitor the results closely; that's what we do in this topic. We know the tell tale signs of cheating, and we found them. If he were cheating as he was in this match, and why would he try something new if his older method were working so well, we would have seen it.

It would have been much harder to catch in 15 minute updates. Every surge was in a 5 minute timespan, if not less, so with the old update method, we may have seen one surge, if we got lucky.
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Well, we already had live updates during most of the Game Contest, so we would have noticed something there. Like in CT/LttP.
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I'm goin' to bed, but I'll say it one more time: in 2k3, Kefka got 21.08% on Crono. Granted, in all likelyhood, Kefka is more open to SFF from Crono than Zidane, but also keep in mind that Crono 2k3 is most likely weaker than Crono 2k5, too.

So...Zidane or Kefka, who wins?
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man the zero brackets are almost capout
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Well, if Zidane loses worse than Kefka I'd pick Kefka without a doubt, as I'd expect Kefka to SFFed more. Mm...unless Zidane makes a big percentage increase I'll still have to go with Kefka.

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