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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 181
From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 8/4/2005 8:59:52 PM | Message Detail
Face CATS is undoubtedly stronger than Eggplant CATS, but this is looking bad for MC no matter how you slice it. Given Vivi's abysmal performance, I don't think DK really has a shot to upset him, but that doesn't mean MC isn't performing pathetically here.
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Summer Contest 2005: 15/16
Today: Master Chief, Tomorrow: Donkey Kong
From: cyko | Posted: 8/4/2005 9:00:26 PM | Message Detail
well, i don't feel like typing up anything lengthy, but my opinion for tomorrow is that Sam over-performed in 2K3, possibly because of bracket-voting early in the contest, or some weird Independence Day patriotism thing (*shrugs* it's possible. >_>).
plus, with the boost Nintendo seems to have gotten this year, this one shouldn't even be close. i'm calling DK to win this one 65/35.

but, if DK breaks 70%, then i will start to worry about MC vs. DK. otherwise, my confidence remains.

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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 8/4/2005 9:01:43 PM | Message Detail
I'm doubting Crono could comfortably triple him. He's to be feared.

Don't be ridiculous. He's not THAT strong. Crono had no trouble doing so to Conker, who is stronger than CATS. I know you want to believe that this is more CATS than MC, but you'll be hard-pressed to justify that.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno
From: CaptainFlufflez | Posted: 8/4/2005 9:04:44 PM | Message Detail
MC/DK will be a 55-45 affair at best for MC. I always thought that would be a close match. Frog is weaker than people give him credit for and so is MC. DK is stronger than he gets credit for. I would still side with MC but maybe with as little as 54% of the vote.

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From: SonicRaptor | Posted: 8/4/2005 9:06:29 PM | Message Detail
I expect a 55-45 match with MC edging out DK myself. I would have put it furthur apart, but MC didn't exactly "blow-out" CATS like I would have thought.
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From: Lopen | Posted: 8/4/2005 9:07:55 PM | Message Detail
Conker, who is stronger than CATS

Conker is not a lock over Super CATS. He's doing a good deal better than Crash Bandicoot, who would have a great chance over Conker.

CATS is not that weak when given a recognizable/charismatic pic.
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Raiden fact of the contest: Alucard is a plagiarist, this year Raiden will prove it!
From: Draco1214 | Posted: 8/4/2005 9:10:22 PM | Message Detail
As far as DK/Sam Fisher goes, I predict 54-46 in DK's favor.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 15/17 points
Current Match Prediction: Donkey Kong vs. Sam Fisher
From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 8/4/2005 9:10:40 PM | Message Detail
Though Lucid's post drew hate, I completely agree with it.

~*ST*~
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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 8/4/2005 9:10:51 PM | Message Detail
Conker is not a lock over Super CATS. He's doing a good deal better than Crash Bandicoot, who would have a great chance over Conker.

Crash has been fading into obscurity for years. He was obviously even weaker than we thought, based on this performance. If you think CATS is at or around 20.41 on Link (Crono's tripling mark), you're insane.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 8/4/2005 9:16:51 PM | Message Detail
Oh, and for the record, I think it's possible that Crash overperformed on KOS-MOS last year, due to her innate cult nature and him being the bracket favorite. Adjusting Crash back to around his 2002 level puts MC around 24.65, oddly close to his 2003 value.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno
From: Lopen | Posted: 8/4/2005 9:18:23 PM | Message Detail
But who's to say Conker's any better? I admit that the Super CATS wouldn't easily be tripled by Crono was a bit outta wack (it was just a guesstimate), but I'd still likely take CATS over Conker if they went at it in the bracket (or at the very least consider it a very viable upset pick).
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Raiden fact of the contest: Alucard is a plagiarist, this year Raiden will prove it!
From: Team Rocket Elite | Posted: 8/4/2005 9:18:39 PM | Message Detail
Master Chief might not make it to 69%. He's been doing pretty poorly for the last 2 hours, only pulling in 68%, 67% and even as low as 66% of the votes. He is currently barely on pace for 69%, if CATS kicks it up just a tiny bit more, Master Chief won't make it.
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From: JonPen1416 | Posted: 8/4/2005 9:19:23 PM | Message Detail
Wow, Crash looks like total trash now. I know he's never gonna see a contest again, but now he's gone out looking like crap.

Meh, I still have this.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=971

And I think Sam's gonna look pretty good tomorrow. I'll side with Draco, 54-46 in favor of DK.
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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 8/4/2005 9:19:42 PM | Message Detail
One more thing: Adjusting MC by his 2003 level puts CATS at 16.27 on Link, close to his Villains Contest level. Adjusting him up to that level moves the Chief slightly above Yoshi.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 8/4/2005 9:22:04 PM | Message Detail
Well, I do believe that anti-votes might be playing some part in the Chief's underperformance, and the same with Tidus. When you get to this high of a level, a significant amount of anti-voting will bring you down.

Conker wouldn't beat CATS handily by any means, but I still think he would win.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno
From: Team Rocket Elite | Posted: 8/4/2005 9:22:09 PM | Message Detail
Adjusting him up to that level moves the Chief slightly above Yoshi.

And just under Kirby. Heh, I wonder how this board would react to Kirby vs Master Chief with Kirby barely edging MC out.
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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 8/4/2005 9:25:28 PM | Message Detail
Hmmm...So Kirby or Dante might not turn out to be the weakest 1 seed, after all...

But this spells really bad news for Frog against Samus next round if they're overrated by THIS much.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno
From: NewLib | Posted: 8/4/2005 9:28:31 PM | Message Detail
So MC is around his 2003 value and it seems Frog isnt far off from that either.

This isnt Frog's fault. What the **** did Snake do?
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
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From: Draco1214 | Posted: 8/4/2005 9:29:16 PM | Message Detail
What the **** did Snake do?

Two words. Solid ****.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 15/17 points
Current Match Prediction: Donkey Kong vs. Sam Fisher
From: LeonhartForever | Posted: 8/4/2005 9:30:20 PM | Message Detail
Well, if there's ever an argument where a horribly disgusting picture can hurt you, then Frog can certainly make a good case if they're overrated by this much. Still, that can't be ALL attributed to the picture. That's a ridiculously large overperformance just due to a bad pic.
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From: JonPen1416 | Posted: 8/4/2005 9:32:01 PM | Message Detail
Well, Ulti (I think) and others have said CT characters overperform when they get their sprites, and that's reasonable to believe. That could be a factor too.
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From: Crono801 | Posted: 8/4/2005 9:32:02 PM | Message Detail
The match said "Solid Snake" and not just "Snake," didn't it?
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From: Lopen | Posted: 8/4/2005 9:32:21 PM | Message Detail
Always be suspect of those chains of close matches where the three characters are all excessively high. If we have one this year I'm not buying it for a second. (well I didn't for Frog/LS/MC either, but even so) The only reason I thought Chief would be close to or maybe even a tad higher than his 2k4 value is because I figured Halo 2 would help quite a bit.
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Raiden fact of the contest: Alucard is a plagiarist, this year Raiden will prove it!
From: NewLib | Posted: 8/4/2005 9:32:30 PM | Message Detail
But he had just as bad of a picture in 2003 versus Ryu. He did not underperform like that.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Tripling Gordon Freeman.
From: LeonhartForever | Posted: 8/4/2005 9:33:15 PM | Message Detail
The match said "Solid Snake" and not just "Snake," didn't it?

His picture always just says "Snake." The poll option always says "Solid Snake." That was no different.
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From: NewLib | Posted: 8/4/2005 9:33:39 PM | Message Detail
A chain of close matches doesnt overrate the winner of the matches, just the other two. Something happenend in Frog/Snake and it affected everything and I cant believe its just the picture.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
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From: LeonhartForever | Posted: 8/4/2005 9:34:15 PM | Message Detail
But he had just as bad of a picture in 2003 versus Ryu. He did not underperform like that.

It wasn't quite THAT bad. At least it looked like the sprite of a person against Ryu. He was just...brown all over against Frog and he practically blended into the background.
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From: NewLib | Posted: 8/4/2005 9:35:16 PM | Message Detail
Most people still couldnt tell it was Snake. Just a random guy dressed in green.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Tripling Gordon Freeman.
From: LeonhartForever | Posted: 8/4/2005 9:39:33 PM | Message Detail
It did have a picture of his face in the background.
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From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 8/4/2005 9:39:46 PM | Message Detail
All percentages in relative term.

Angel Kefka is 22% stronger than Lettuce/FMV Kefka, through Luca Blight.

Face CATS is 25% stronger than Eggplant CATS, using the Spring Contest.

Normal Snake is 20% stronger than 20XXDF Solid ****, and 10% stronger than unadjusted Solid **** using Frog, MC, and Face CATS.

The data is still nebulous at best, but it would appear that pictures can make a (sizable) difference.
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Summer Contest 2005: 15/16
Today: Master Chief, Tomorrow: Donkey Kong
From: Lopen | Posted: 8/4/2005 9:41:29 PM | Message Detail
We'll be adding Ninja Hayabusa vs DoA Hayabusa to that list too I'm betting, by the time this contest is resolved.
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Raiden fact of the contest: Alucard is a plagiarist, this year Raiden will prove it!
From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 8/4/2005 9:42:02 PM | Message Detail
Oh, and Ninja Hayabusa is 10% stronger than Arabusa, using 20XXDF Zero.
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Summer Contest 2005: 15/16
Today: Master Chief, Tomorrow: Donkey Kong
From: NewLib | Posted: 8/4/2005 9:42:30 PM | Message Detail
And before anyone says something (and I know they will) Solid Snake did not decrease because of Solid ****, its just the reason why Frog and the gang are so high.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
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From: Master Moltar | Posted: 8/4/2005 9:43:01 PM | Message Detail
Flood Division Round 1 - Match 18 – (4)Donkey Kong vs. (5)Sam Fisher

Donkey Kong
Game/Series Known From: Donkey Kong
Extrapolated Rank in 2002: 46th (13.51%)
Extrapolated Rank in 2003: 29th (25.34%)
Extrapolated Rank in 2004: 25th (21.96%)
Seed in 2002: 4
Seed in 2003: 6
Seed in 2004: 10
Lost in 2002 to Mario in the Sweet 16
Lost in 2003 to Vercetti in Round 2
Lost in 2004 to Vivi in Round 1

Hey, if you lose in Round 2 this year, you’ll make it to the Sweet 16 again in 2006! I heart patterns!

Sam Fisher
Game/Series Known From: Splinter Cell
Extrapolated Rank in 2002: N/A
Extrapolated Rank in 2003: 35th (23.57%)
Extrapolated Rank in 2004: 47th (15.03%)
Seed in 2002: N/A
Seed in 2003: 4
Seed in 2004: 7
Lost in 2003 to Magus in Round 1
Lost in 2004 to Samus in Round 2

Yeah, the drastic drop in 2004 was because he had to face a Samus on roids.

Wow, two characters that do next to nothing in these Contests, and yet still get a crapload of noms and decent seeding. Anyway, this is a somwhat-debatable match, and in my contract, it says I have to analyze these.

DK’s bad rank in 2002 can be blamed by the first large case of SFF we have witnessed. Unfortunately, it is not the last either. In 2003, these two turned out pretty close in strength. DK barely lost to Vercetti, while Magus “upset” Sam in Round 1. Sam’s numbers might be a little inflated thanks to bracket support, higher seed, and casuals not knowing who in the hell Magus was. In 2004 however, Samus made this match clear. DK put up decent numbers on Vivi, but went down in the end (taking 65% of the brackets with him), while Sam continued the GFNW streak, only to get killed by Samus. The kind of drop Sam faced was called “losing popularity”, or “over-rated in the 2003 stats”. Anyway, this match has been made clear now.

“But Moltar!” You scream, “What about Chaos Theory?” What about Chaos Theory? One successful game isn’t going to boost up a weak character like Fisher to DK level. Both characters might be on the decline, but DK’s looking like he has some gas left in his tank.

Moltar’s Bracket Says: DK will win.

Moltar’s Prediction is: DK: 60% - Fisher: 40%



Ulti’s Analysis

God, could you possibly get more boring than this? This will be like watching flies screw.

Seriously, I don't even feel like giving this match the attention that it doesn't deserve. Sorry, Crew :(

Prediction: Donkey Kong with 66.66%



Soul’s Analysis

H-Here we go!

So they're finally here, performing for you!
If you know the words you can join in too.
Put your hands together if you want to clap,
As we take you through funky rap! HUH!

DK! Donkey Kong!

He's the leader of the bunch, you know him well.
He's finally back, to kick some tail!
His coconut gun can fire in spurts,
If he shoots you, it's gonna hurt!
He's bigger! Faster! And stronger too!
He's the first member of the DK crew! HUH!


If that's not enough proof for a DK win, then you're looking too hard into this contest.

My prediction: DK wins with 54.76% of the vote. DK always performed bad, but he should take this one rather easily.



Outback’s Analysis

Not much to see here. Splinter Cell has no hold here, while DK at least has SSBM. Not even close here.

DK with 62.22


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Master Chief vs. CATS - Bracket: MC - Vote: CATS (15/16)
From: Master Moltar | Posted: 8/4/2005 9:43:13 PM | Message Detail
Inviso’s Analysis

Ahhh…another Nintendo match that kills me to analyze. This time, we have the weakest Mario character (Don’t tell me that Donkey Kong is his own series. He’s always going to be a Mario character) against the man that struggled with Gordon Freeman. Now, Donkey Kong has always been weak as hell in these contests, losing to Vivi, Tommy Vercetti, having trouble with Aya Brea, as a game, struggling with Duck Hunt. But then again, his opponent isn’t that impressive either. Sam was doubled by Magus and then went on to struggle with Gordon Freeman before being blown out by Samus. Now…it seems like Donkey Kong has this in the bag, but then again…to get doubled by Magus isn’t that bad a deal. After all, Magus is one of the top 12 characters in this contest…and Samus greatly increased last year, as did Gordon perhaps, with the hype of Metroid Prime 2 and Half-Life 2. It’s a match between two characters that most likely won’t do all that well, but someone has to win. Vyse vs. Laharl anyone?

My Bracket: Sam Fisher
My Vote: Sam Fisher
My Prediction: Donkey Kong with 59.34%



Tnote’s Analysis

Sam kept alive the longest run joke of the contest, GFNW. Donkey Kong got his fat, hairy parasite-ridden ass whipped by The black mage, who got his inanimate rear whipped by Zelda. Donkey Kong broke 60% on the VFL himself, while Sam barely cracked 55% on the biggest loser GameFAQs has ever seen. Well, technically CATS would be bigger, but that’s besides the point. Fisher has gotten another crappy Splinter Cell game, but does anyone care? God I hope not.

Pick: Donkey Kong with 58.27%



Vlado’s Analysis

I wish I could say that Sam Fisher has a chance... But, unfortunately, I can't. Nintendo has been on a huge rise this contest and I think it'll be enough to provide Donkey Kong with an easy win against Sam. In the 2003 X-Stats, these two were quite close, but it seems Sam dropped quite badly in 2004, which placed him a lot behind DK, despite him winning a round and the ape getting schooled by Vivi in the first. Sam has probably increased a little, compared to last year, but I doubt that'll be enough for him to give DK a really close match. Donkey Kong will take this one, and then fall to Master Chief in an even clearer match. Really, with the exception of the next match, this is a very boring division.

Predicted percentage: Donkey Kong with 64.95%
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Master Chief vs. CATS - Bracket: MC - Vote: CATS (15/16)
From: The Doppleganger | Posted: 8/4/2005 9:44:17 PM | Message Detail
I fear for DK/Sam m'self.
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From: therealmnm | Posted: 8/4/2005 9:45:11 PM | Message Detail
It could be a combination of Solid **** and the fact that since Frog was expected to lose anyways, people who would normally vote for Snake, but still liked Frog decided to let Frog go out in glory.

OR it could have been a mass rally by Frog supporters/vote stuffers with little resistance from Snake supporters due to him not being in danger of losing the match. Frog DID have a hell of a bandwagon during 2k4. Those are possibilities....
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From: Lopen | Posted: 8/4/2005 9:45:42 PM | Message Detail
Arabusa. I like it, I like it.
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Raiden fact of the contest: Alucard is a plagiarist, this year Raiden will prove it!
From: Draco1214 | Posted: 8/4/2005 9:45:46 PM | Message Detail
My Bracket: Sam Fisher
My Vote: Sam Fisher
My Prediction: Donkey Kong with 59.34%


WTF?
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Summer 2005 Contest - 15/17 points
Current Match Prediction: Donkey Kong vs. Sam Fisher
From: NewLib | Posted: 8/4/2005 9:46:50 PM | Message Detail
I can agree. Frog rally is probably what kept him so close to Snake. MC cheating/vote rallying versus Frog rally is what kept that match close. Who knows why LS/Frog was a close match.
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From: Figlar20000 | Posted: 8/4/2005 9:48:56 PM | Message Detail
From: Draco1214 | Posted: 8/4/2005 9:45:46 PM | Message Detail
My Bracket: Sam Fisher
My Vote: Sam Fisher
My Prediction: Donkey Kong with 59.34%

WTF?

Someone made a big error...
From: therealmnm | Posted: 8/4/2005 9:49:42 PM | Message Detail
Hey RPGuy, we might have to add Face Blasted Snake to that list before the end of the contest if we figure out that Mega Man and Snake are around their 2k3 relation instead of their 2k4 relation....
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From: Dunkeroo23 | Posted: 8/4/2005 9:49:54 PM | Message Detail
ha, maybe a favorites bracket
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From: LeonhartForever | Posted: 8/4/2005 9:52:26 PM | Message Detail
Probably an error in bracket making.
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From: Ketchop | Posted: 8/4/2005 10:02:50 PM | Message Detail
I agree that pics can sometimes have an effect on a match. I remember seeing the Link vs. Mega Man pic last year and immediately thinking to myself how pitiful Mega Man looked. I'm a fan of both Link and Mega Man, but seeing Mega Man on the ground like a coward made it hard for me to favor him.

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From: TheGreatMaster | Posted: 8/4/2005 10:05:59 PM | Message Detail
It pains me to see my favorite character getting mocked like this in the analyses. >_<

Is DK really the weakest Nintendo character? People would take Ness over him?

How about this. DK vs. KOS-MOS -- who wins?

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From: therealmnm | Posted: 8/4/2005 10:07:51 PM | Message Detail
Ha, the Link/Mega Man pics were the most hilarious pics I've seen in the contest. Link > Mega Man was the first pic I saw. My first reaction was "Damn Ceej, I know Link is gonna win and all, but you didn't have to do Mega Man at all". Then I got to the board and saw there were 2 pics. Link STILL had the advantage in Mega Man > Link. o_O Mega Man's best pic was actually his pic against Snake.

Oh yeah, and I would have paid Ceej if he would have put Mako Poisoned Cloud in his wheel chair against Samus instead of his FFT sprite...
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From: swirldude | Posted: 8/4/2005 10:09:36 PM | Message Detail
How about this. DK vs. KOS-MOS -- who wins?

KOS-MOS

Actually I have no idea.
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From: Dranze | Posted: 8/4/2005 10:12:23 PM | Message Detail
Hmm..for now, I don't know, but after I see them both in action, I'll make a decision.
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Summer Contest 2005 - Points: 15/16
Today's Prediction: Master Chief - Tomorrow: Donkey Kong
From: Team Rocket Elite | Posted: 8/4/2005 10:17:15 PM | Message Detail
Another moral victory for CATS? Master Chief is now projected to fall short of the 69% mark. Perhaps CATS will manage to keep MC below the 68.9% mark.

Master Chief's % over the last 15 minutes: 67.1%
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