Some of you guys really overestimate why a character is liked. I bet you I could find a hoard of people who like Cloud just for his limit breaks, or who like Sephiroth for his cool Neibelheim FMV. It doesn't take much to actually like a character...
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

So you're going with sword SFF then?

No, I'm not going with anything. I'm just refuting HaRRicH's argument in saying that Vivi possibly not getting SFF'd does NOT mean that Auron also would not. I still think they both did.

There are things in the FFX storyline that Auron could not and would not do, in particular toward the end of the game. He doesn't have the personality for it.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

FFVII Spoilers




...Sephiroth is dead when the game starts?

Maybe I need to replay it XD

SPOILERS:

Technically, he is.

Cloud killed him by throwing him into a Mako stream.

If it wasn't for the Black Materia, he wouldn't even have a functional body.

END OF SPOILERS

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Reserved for the winner of the SC2K5 Guru Challenge.

No, they can't.
We may not know why, but there's always a reason.

Then kindly explain Snake's huge drop, especially considering he had the Twin Snakes ported to the 'Cube that year. Is there any logical reason for that? No. Did it happen? Absolutely.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

So you're going with sword SFF then?

Well, swords are important. See Zelda. <_<
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

"We may not know why, but there's always a reason."

Then kindly explain Snake's huge drop, especially considering he had the Twin Snakes ported to the 'Cube that year. Is there any logical reason for that? No. Did it happen? Absolutely.

Before you reply to any post, read it carefully.
As I already said above, we may not know why, but there's always a reason.
Just because we don't know what that reason is, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Again, there's only a handful of cases like that.
Most of the time, a char's jump or drop can be logically explained.

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Reserved for the winner of the SC2K5 Guru Challenge.

There is no logical reason whatsoever for Snake to have dropped, but we know he did. None whatsoever. You can say "There's a reason. We just don't know what it is," but there is no reason for it.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

There is no logical reason whatsoever for Snake to have dropped, but we know he did. None whatsoever. You can say "There's a reason. We just don't know what it is," but there is no reason for it.

So, you're expecting Auron to jump out of the blue?
Or Ganon to drop out of the blue?

Have fun with Ganon vs. Auron then...

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Reserved for the winner of the SC2K5 Guru Challenge.

I'm not expecting anything of the sort. Auron can still win if they're close to the same strength. I was just saying that a character doesn't necessarily need a reason to increase or decrease.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

So, you're expecting Auron to jump out of the blue?
Or Ganon to drop out of the blue?

Just because you believe something can happen doesn't mean you think it will happen.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

I'm not expecting anything of the sort. Auron can still win if they're close to the same strength. I was just saying that a character doesn't necessarily need a reason to increase or decrease.

Which is something I will NEVER accept.

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Reserved for the winner of the SC2K5 Guru Challenge.

Yeah, good luck with that.

For all we know, changes in the voter pool attribute more to increases or decreases than anything else, something we could never hope to predict.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

With Rikku doing better than a constant 2k3 Kirby on Ryu, I feel a bit better on Tidus > Kirby.
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Summer Contest 2005 - Points: 14/15
Today's Prediction: Ryu - Tomorrow: Master Chief

Then kindly explain Snake's huge drop, especially considering he had the Twin Snakes ported to the 'Cube that year. Is there any logical reason for that? No. Did it happen? Absolutely.

Decline over time. IIRC, between 2k2 and 2k3 he had Substance on the PS2 and Xbox, which probably sold more than The Twin Snakes. Most characters do decline as they get older, other than RPG characters. Just look at the games contest, where the 8-bit division is weakest and 128 is strongest.
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Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent.

For all we know, changes in the voter pool attribute more to increases or decreases than anything else, something we could never hope to predict.

See?
That is STILL a reason.

It may not be something that we can predict, but it's still a reason nevertheless.

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Reserved for the winner of the SC2K5 Guru Challenge.

But he JUST had a rerelease of his best game the summer before. And that's a big decline to take just as a result of age. That should be more gradual, not drastic.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

It doesn't really matter if character rose/fell for no reason or an unknown reason. We have no way to determine which situation is true and the bottom line is the character's strength changed and we don't know why.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

It doesn't really matter if character rose/fell for no reason or an unknown reason. We have no way to determine which situation is true and the bottom line is the character's strength changed and we don't know why.

That's true, but cases like that are rare.

So unless you think there's a reason to put Auron over Ganon, such an upset pick is reckless.

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Reserved for the winner of the SC2K5 Guru Challenge.

I'm just refuting HaRRicH's argument in saying that Vivi possibly not getting SFF'd does NOT mean that Auron also would not.

Which, to note for those who may have missed, I said I was playing devil's advocate with that one; I do think Auron got SFF'd. I just thought it should be mentioned that they were both supposedly SFF'd by the same opponent in consecutive rounds: Sephiroth, math's worst enemy.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

There is no logical reason whatsoever for Snake to have dropped

Solid Snake had nothing out and Twin Snakes sold like dirt. Not to mention a potential influx of Nintendo fans and even Square fans may have set things off balance.

Are you relying on luck though when you picked Auron over Ganondorf? Seems like you are.
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It takes a genius to make something simple truly great.

Hopefully MGS3 will give Snake a helping hand this year.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 14/16 points
Current Match Prediction: Master Chief vs. CATS

I think Auron > Ganon is a very viable choice. I just have a lil' more faith in Ganon being the right choice, heh.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

Are you relying on luck though when you picked Auron over Ganondorf?

When two characters have evidence of being relatively close in strength, you need a little luck regardless of who you pick.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

I'd put more stock into having a grasp on whose fanbases would support them more, how each character has responded in a close match, and how said character has performed against similar types of characters. :P

I would say luck only falls on the close matches that could have had a different outcome on any given day (Frog/Master Chief, LttP/Chrono Trigger, Ryu H./Jill).
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

When two characters have evidence of being relatively close in strength, you need a little luck regardless of who you pick.

The problems lies in gauging Auron. You cannot do so effectively using Cloud and Sephiroth. In fact, one's best bet in trying to gauge Auron is using Tails and Scorpion and assuming both of those characters remained constant throughout the years.
Bottom line: You cannot really gauge Auron's strength very well.

Focusing on Ganondorf, though, the King of Evil has more factors leaning his way as well, what with the Zelda collection, an impressive performance against Sephiroth, and an apparent Nintendo boost that we're seeing in the early matches in this contest.
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It takes a genius to make something simple truly great.

I would say luck only falls on the close matches that could have had a different outcome on any given day (Frog/Master Chief, LttP/Chrono Trigger, Ryu H./Jill).

Nicely said. Luck doesn't matter much in picking matches. Frog vs. Master Chief wouldn't be that hard a match to call now, though.
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It takes a genius to make something simple truly great.

With Rikku doing better than a constant 2k3 Kirby on Ryu, I feel a bit better on Tidus > Kirby.

Really? Kirby vs. Tidus will be a very interesting match. I hope Tidus's match against Mega Man wasn't a dismal fluke.
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It takes a genius to make something simple truly great.

Hey, maybe Auron's increased since the past contest or two...Rikku and Yuna have been impressive. Obviously, FFX-2 is a major part of the strength of Rikku and Yuna; however, I think that also helps keep FFX fresh in people's minds, possibly helping Auron or Tidus.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Hey, maybe Auron's increased since the past contest or two...Rikku and Yuna have been impressive. Obviously, FFX-2 is a major part of the strength of Rikku and Yuna; however, I think that also helps keep FFX fresh in people's minds, possibly helping Auron or Tidus.

It might help Tidus a tiny bit.

But it won't benefit Auron at all.

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Reserved for the winner of the SC2K5 Guru Challenge.

Meh...I also just remembered that FFX-2 came out before SC2K4. Oops. Well, if Auron/Tails and Auron/Scorpion are any indiciation Auron might've increased just a tad between '03 and '04. I don't think he'll grow again, unless the voting pool this year happens to like Auron better.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Except we have seen Tidus and Auron since FFX-2 came out. Auron got SFF'd so we dont know where he is. Tidus laid the most unexplainable egg ever in contest history.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Tripling Gordon Freeman.

There is nothing cool about Sephiroth's Kalm Flashback FMV.

"Mommy mommy mommy!"

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Tidus laid the most unexplainable egg ever in contest history.

Liquid Snake?
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

You want some more fun numbers?

Bowser's expected to receive 59.88% against Yuna based on Sp2K5 stats. If Ryu = Bowser, Rikku beats Yuna with 54.71% as of right now.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Match pics are up.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/sum05/b17.jpg

I'm gonna have to lower my percentage guess a bit..

http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/sum05/b18.jpg

This one ain't bad either..

http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/sum05/b19.jpg

Yay, no lettuce Kefka pic. ;x

http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/sum05/b20.jpg

I'm not a big fan of Zidane, but that doesn't look attractive.
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Summer Contest 2005 - Points: 14/15
Today's Prediction: Ryu - Tomorrow: Master Chief

Match Pictures are up.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/sum05/b17.jpg

CATS got his face picture. MC is using a freaking SUPER SOAKER. Seriously that looks like a toy gun.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/sum05/b18.jpg

Is there a picture where Donkey Kong doesnt look like the biggest idiot in the world?

http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/sum05/b19.jpg

Clown Kefka = Game Over.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/sum05/b20.jpg

Crono looks like he is about to own Zidane.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Tripling Gordon Freeman.

I'm not expecting anything of the sort. Auron can still win if they're close to the same strength. I was just saying that a character doesn't necessarily need a reason to increase or decrease.

The poll placement led to a decrease in casual voters.
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"Heh Heh... The wind... It is blowing..."--Ganondorf Dragmire

Clown Kefka > Lettuce Kefka. And he didn't get the one where he's in red lighting or something, which is good.
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SC2K5 status - Points: 014/015 - Matches: 14/15 - Rank: 01183/33793 - Today: Ryu - Tomorrow: Master Chief

dammit Vercetti, where's your hawaiian shirt?
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I've been Pwned by KoaC. He really is the king of all cosmos.

Still Angel Kefka or Sprite Kefka >>>>> Then them both.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Tripling Gordon Freeman.

Slow, you act like this Kefka pic is any better.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/sum05/b17.jpg

There's the up close CATS pic we all expected and hoped for. Chief got something new and...interesting. Nice....lighting?

http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/sum05/b18.jpg

It looks like DK was a bit late in getting to the picture. Sam got his cool pic again with the blinding green lights shining in my face.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/sum05/b19.jpg

Oh ****. Kefka got his clown pic...better than Lettuce, but not Kefka. We also didn't get Hawaiian Tommy...interesting.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/sum05/b20.jpg

Zidane gets the Mithos vote. Crono gets the DBZ/Anime fans vote.
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Moltar's Comics - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Ryu vs. Rikku - Bracket: Ryu - Vote: Ryu (14/15)

Slow, you act like this Kefka pic is any better.

It's recognizable to the people who have played the Playstation version of FF6. That's a bit better than the almost completely unrecognizable Lettuce Kefka.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 8/3/2005 11:16:39 PM | #241

~*ST*~

But it is.
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SC2K5 status - Points: 014/015 - Matches: 14/15 - Rank: 01183/33793 - Today: Ryu - Tomorrow: Master Chief

...where did his post go?
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SC2K5 status - Points: 014/015 - Matches: 14/15 - Rank: 01183/33793 - Today: Ryu - Tomorrow: Master Chief

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~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Zidane gets the Mithos vote. Crono gets the DBZ/Anime fans vote.

So Zidane is a guy. After seeing the picture I thought I was wrong for a month.
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I've been Pwned by KoaC. He really is the king of all cosmos.

I don't get the hate for Zidane's pic at all. That's exactly what I thought he would get, and it's more then recognizable to anyone who has played FFIX.

Since that match should have minimal SFF, I'm expecting to see Zidane >= Vivi.
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I need to put something here.

Crono gets the DBZ/Anime fans vote.

Crono with 109.46%. Book it.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

I like to call that picture of Zidane is "Taylor Hanson" picture.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Tripling Gordon Freeman.