...So anyone still adamant about side polls having a significant effect on vote totals?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Ganon > Auron, and Bowser > Ryu.

I painfully agree with the latter...(damn, having Ryu winning his division, that's gonna cost a lot), but I feel that Auron might be stronger than Ganon, but who really knows...
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I am...just not as much as I once was. I still think 500-1,000 votes are being cost by the side-poll.
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How would the side polls affect the voting patterns??? These things get about a third of the votes the character poll gets. I think they have a very negligible effect on the matches.

Thanks, Chichiri. I'm happy to know I at least got the correct answer.

I'm beginning to think perhaps Rikku will turn out to be the strongest 7-seed in the contest?

The only 7 seed with even a chance to rank ahead of Rikku is Zidane.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Which means no 7 seed has a chance to rank ahead of Rikku.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Tripling Gordon Freeman.

Speaking of 7 seeds, is there a chance that a non-SFF'd Geno could be above the VFL? He was in the first big RPG in America.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Tripling Gordon Freeman.

Geno shouldn't get SFF'd, I don't think. I would say he's more associated with Mario than Square.
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I would too, but for some reason people think he will be.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
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"Man, Sephiroth is gonna win anyway, but I like Ganondorf and/or Bowser, too, so I'll vote for them."

It might have already been said... but why wouldn't this happen in any other match with a powerful character? Why just Bowser and Ganondorf?

Unless you're calling Bowser/Sephiroth or Ganon/Sephiroth.... SFF???????

*implodes*
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Only if you consider Link/Sephiroth 2002 to be SFF.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Geno and Squall would suffer from rSFF before SFF >_>

I'm pretty confident Geno can be above the VFL.

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Speaking of 7 seeds, is there a chance that a non-SFF'd Geno could be above the VFL? He was in the first big RPG in America.

Final Fantasy 1 was pretty big at it's time, actually - bigger than SMRPG I think.
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Current Score: 14/15 | Today: Ryu over Rikku

Ryu 55.79% 39054
Rikku 44.21% 30948
TOTAL VOTES 70002

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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

I love the people who are assuming that the villain contest was useless, simply because giving it credit makes some of the picks in their brackets impossible. You know, because voters are automatically going to vote differently in a different character contest that shows up two months later. Give me a break.

Exactly.

At the beginning of the Spring contest the majority of people were thinking that people wouldn't vote differently just because it was a villain's contest. But then, when the results didn't go as planned, everyone jumped onto the "spring contest is void" idea. I think it's just always better to trust matches over our own speculation. Match results are pretty indisputable in most normal cases.
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Super Mario RPG outsold the original Final Fantasy in Japan I believe. I think it could do the same in America.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
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I think Geno could surprise us all next year, if

A) He makes it in again
B) He's in Super Smash Bros Online (very small chance...)
C) He faces someone who gives him a decent chance.

Poor guy got a bad draw this time.



Also, I'd like to give a big "WTF" flag about Rikku being above Tidus in the X-Stats. That's crazy. I mean, Auron I see, but I thought Rikku was very unliked. I'm thoroughly surprised.
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Geno is Square's property. I doubt he'll be in the next Smash Brothers game.

And when it's all said and done, Rikku won't rank above Tidus. Wait and see.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

What is the general consensus on spread between Zero and Lloyd? Is it close (say 51-55% for Zero) or is Zero expected to get close to doubling Lloyd based on Wesker/Mithos speculation?

IMO doubling is the highest Zero can hope for, and it'd be a long shot. But I'm curious as to other opinions on the subject.

Chances are minimal for SSBO, but remember Nintendo got permission to use Geno in M&L: SSS, so it's not impossible.

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They got permission for him to give the instructions in a mini-game for about a minute. Using him as a full-time playable character is a bit different.
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I realize that, but it's still a valid point, so the possibility shouldn't be ruled out altogether.

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Dante/Rikku?

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From: igota75 | Posted: 8/3/2005 2:07:16 PM | #071
What is the general consensus on spread between Zero and Lloyd? Is it close (say 51-55% for Zero) or is Zero expected to get close to doubling Lloyd based on Wesker/Mithos speculation?

IMO doubling is the highest Zero can hope for, and it'd be a long shot. But I'm curious as to other opinions on the subject.

After seeing Lloyd's performance against Wesker, I think there's no chance of it being close. It should be around a doubling.

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At the 14:30 mark, this match has 73,351 votes.

Ness/CJ - 69,428
Vivi/Zelda - 72,710
Tidus/KoAC - 70,628
Bowser/Chun-Li - 70,749
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

So you're giving Sephiroth a 4% drop for no reason? That doesn't make any sense to me.

Sephiroth dropped between 2003 and 2004, it's hard to see him dropping again for what reason now? What's more, he would not be dropping by 4%; the exact percentage he would drop is 2.9%. Are you telling me it's that hard to believe?

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I've been on the Lloyd-won't-be-doubled crusade since Wesker. we shall see.

I'm lovin' this match. I'm gonna laugh if Rikku outperforms Tidus.
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I love the people who are assuming that the villain contest was useless, simply because giving it credit makes some of the picks in their brackets impossible. You know, because voters are automatically going to vote differently in a different character contest that shows up two months later. Give me a break.

I agree. People saying the Villain Contest was useless are just being stupid. There were some strange occurences in that contest, but they act like we've NEVER had problems with contest stats before.

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Wow. I half expected the vote totals to drop a bit by now. This match can definitely top 105,000.
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The only problem is that if the strange occurrences involve Sephiroth, it puts the whole contest into question, as he's the base.
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After finally getting Resident Evil 4, I cannot wait to see Leon smash Gordon Freeman into little bits. <3

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1.) Leon Kennedy
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Well, he's far and away my favorite Resident Evil character at this point. It was close between he and Jill, but that all changed. =p

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...So anyone still adamant about side polls having a significant effect on vote totals?

Considering Cecil was third in a "what's your favourite FF main character" poll, I don't see how they could be.
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He's referring to the secondary PotDs run during the contest...
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He's referring to the secondary PotDs run during the contest...

I knew that >_<. Why would they have any affect on the contest though?
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People have been saying that they reduce vote totals, but we're looking at the second highest vote total of the contest in spite of that.

Kinda strange how we're looking to have the three highest vote totals being matches involving FFX characters.
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Round 1: (7) Geno

An easier question to answer is the following:

Are the character battle polls hurting the vote totals of the Polls of the Day?
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I agree. People saying the Villain Contest was useless are just being stupid. There were some strange occurences in that contest, but they act like we've NEVER had problems with contest stats before.

Problems I have with the Spring Contest:

1) CATS ranking above half the contest (including Robotnik).
2) Bowser doing over 10% better than what Mario did against Sephiroth.
3) If you drop Sephiroth by 4% to compensate for Bowser/Ganondorf's performances, it makes Liquid Snake look like **** in the stats, despite Liquid being so close to Frog/Master Chief and Solid Snake.
4) The problem with Wesker as we saw in his match against Lloyd. If Lloyd gets over 35% on Zero, that would put Wesker too close to Jill, which means Wesker would be projected to beat Kefka, despite being blown out by him in the VC. It would completely destroy the credibility of the Spring 2005 Contest's stats.
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2) Bowser doing over 10% better than what Mario did against Sephiroth.

I don't think Mario ever had a match with sephiroth where he pulled in only 30% of the vote.
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O K, I guess you guys already did a Dante/Rikku debate.

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I don't think Mario ever had a match with sephiroth where he pulled in only 30% of the vote.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1363

Sorry, 3% then.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 13/15 points
Current Match Prediction: Ryu (Street Fighter) vs. Rikku

From: Sir Crono | Posted: 8/3/2005 4:32:36 PM | Message Detail | #051
...So anyone still adamant about side polls having a significant effect on vote totals?

I never believed that for a second.

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1) CATS ranking above half the contest (including Robotnik).

That's easy to explain. Ansem overperformed against Ganondorf by a couple of percents due to the match picture. Bacondorf = fugly.

2) Bowser doing over 10% better than what Mario did against Sephiroth.

???

Might want to look at those two polls again. Besides, there is no doubt in my mind that Mario would do better against Sephiroth than what Bowser did this past spring if they were in another match.

4) The problem with Wesker as we saw in his match against Lloyd. If Lloyd gets over 35% on Zero, that would put Wesker too close to Jill, which means Wesker would be projected to beat Kefka, despite being blown out by him in the VC. It would completely destroy the credibility of the Spring 2005 Contest's stats.

One, Lloyd/Zero hasn't happened yet. Two, one match doesn't kill the credibility of an entire set of stats. Though to be fair, I'm far from being the Xst fanboy that others around here are. Every poll and every contest is different and has a life of its own, and not every match is going to fall in line with stats from two or even three years ago.

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Whoops, time to play through Mavis Beacon again I guess.
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If Mario wins this contest, he breaks 45% on Sephiroth. Book it.

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And we also have yet to see Diablo in action. I believe he's projected to double Lloyd based on his performance against Wesker. If Diablo bombs against Kratos (who isn't even the main character), then the Sp2k5 results will be deemed worthless.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 13/15 points
Current Match Prediction: Ryu (Street Fighter) vs. Rikku