Who's the jailbait?

Presea (kinda) and Emma Emmerich.

I'm thinking that Bowser could very well do almost as well against Ryu as Sonic did. I wonder what kind of explosion would happen in this topic if that happened...
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That... was her final mission. And like a true soldier, she saw it through the end.
ZSB [aX]

This performance by Ryu isn't particularly impressive, I must say. I expected him to do far better than he actually is. I would say Bowser's looking mighty good at taking out Ryu in the oncoming round.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

And since Tidus didn't look mighty impressive in his own round either... Bowser's looking great there too.
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SC2K5 status - Points: 014/015 - Matches: 14/15 - Rank: 01183/33793 - Today: Ryu - Tomorrow: Master Chief

Well, noting Ryu's history of incredible consistency, it would be logical to assume we just really underestimated Rikku. However, I'm still gaining more confidence in Bowser. Mr. Lightning in a Bottle has been shocking everyone for three months.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

Or Ryu is still constant and Rikku is stronger than everyone thought she would be. But it seems that some of you may be too appaled by that thought.

I thought most of you have already said it's not good to judge a previous character by using a new character >.>
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"I'm putting them out of there misery! See? I'm the good guy now! Perspectives are so easy to change." - Raedryn

Or Ryu is still constant and Rikku is stronger than everyone thought she would be. But it seems that some of you may be too appaled by that thought.

That's what many people believe, actually. If Ryu did drop, it couldn't have been very much; sans Knuckles, he's the most consistent performer we have, and it wouldn't be logical to assume he'd just suffer this big drop in one year. However, that isn't the problem. Ryu can remain consistent all he wants; the problem is that Bowser isn't. He's been on an absolute tear for three months.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

Ryu being consistent is all nice and good, but that doesn't mean he's not capable of dropping. He's just like every other character out there, he isn't someone special who won't drop.

But even if he does, it isn't as though he would have to drop completely off the map in order for Bowser to have that statistical advantage. He is only ahead of him by a percentage point. There's nothing to get crazy over with something that small. And this is all if you don't believe Bowser gained anything between 2003 and now. Just judging from this performances, it's rather clear who has had the far more impressive performance and who has not.

Sure, we still don't know for sure, but after seeing all three of their performances, Bowser is clearly looking the best here.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

ryu has been constant for so long people assume he will always be constant but maybe he isn't. or maybe this is a bad day for him. afterall some characters perform better on certain days then others.
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

Well, looks like Ryu's actually trying to increase his percentage. Rikku certainly blows with the day vote.
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That... was her final mission. And like a true soldier, she saw it through the end.
ZSB [aX]

ryu has been constant for so long people assume he will always be constant but maybe he isn't. or maybe this is a bad day for him. afterall some characters perform better on certain days then others.

Characters like Ryu who also have had PLENTY of matches to solidify his strength don't inexplicitly rise and fall in popularity. I saw again, it's a matter of who he's facing. This is the first time Ryu has gone up against the Square or Nintendo fanbase in a match that he was expected to win. All of his previous matches have been against non-Nintendo/Square characters who weren't a threat to him, or against the big dogs who he has no chance of beating.

With that said, even though we have 4 contests worth of data, that STILL isn't enough to draw fairly reliable data from. Especially in the instance of a popularity contest. Another thing that hurts some characters is that we have a lack of direct matchup data for them and totally rely on extrapolated rankings for them. We can't correctly gauge someone like Tidus because we haven't had the consistent match data for him. He's always booted after round 2. Other characters like Magus may suffer from the same thing due to having so few matches compared to characters like Snake or Mega man. It's much harder to solidify their strength.
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

CATS does better when he faces crappy characters.

As do most characters. =P


One of the big reasons I have Bowser > Ryu is that I am skeptical on how well Ryu can stand up to large fanbases in a close match. He is a character that is VERY well known and is liked by practically everyone.

Close matches, I don't know; I wouldn't think he'd faulter worse than any other character...but considering he did so well against Samus, Solid, and Sonic (as you already mentioned), I would think he could hold his own, close match or otherwise in most cases.

And, for the record, I'm not a fan of Ryu. I like his moves though, strangely enough; I just never liked playing as him.


I hope KOS-MOS can make that a Tidus vs Shadow match, but like I said I'm really worried she's just gonna fall apart against a character with a huge Nintendo fanbase behind him.

For what it's worth, KOS-MOS gained from 2k3 (where she beat Crash and lost to Samus) to 2k4 (where she lost to Ryu). I don't think she'll fall apart though, especially since she's had a new game.


'm curious to know how casual voters would vote in a Riku vs Rikku match.

Probably in Rikku's favor.



As for today's match, wow. Rikku's lookin' to at least be as strong as Yuna 2k4 (something I had suspected, though I wasn't sure). Also, while I know they're both new characters, I expected Chun-Li/Rikku to get 41% on Bowser/Ryu. With Bowser comin' close to a doubling while Ryu is CURRENTLY under 56%. While I believe Bowser/Ryu's still gonna be close, this makes me more confident in my Bowser > Ryu pick.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

Ryu/Rikku at 9:35: 43,317
Vivi/Zelda at 9:35: 42,723
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I know what I'm getting into, I don't care if I die trying!-Peppita Rossetti

well Ryu is heading up towards 56% rikku gave him a fair match no?
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

Not only that, but this may very well be the end of Yuna's contest career, too.
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SC2K5 status - Points: 014/015 - Matches: 14/15 - Rank: 01183/33793 - Today: Ryu - Tomorrow: Master Chief

...And...Rikku is changing the tide.
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I know what I'm getting into, I don't care if I die trying!-Peppita Rossetti

O_O And now she's flying back down.
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I know what I'm getting into, I don't care if I die trying!-Peppita Rossetti

I know there's probably not enough concrete data yet, but based on their performances so far, what would be the order of popularity for the FFX characters?

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TOOMMMAAATOOOO SAAAAUUUUCCCCEEEE!
(he seems pumped....perhaps?)

Tidus > Rikku = Yuna >/= Auron > the rest, probably by quite a bit
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"I'm putting them out of there misery! See? I'm the good guy now! Perspectives are so easy to change." - Raedryn

Auron >= Tidus >= Rikku >= Yuna.
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I know what I'm getting into, I don't care if I die trying!-Peppita Rossetti

Auron >or= Tidus > Rikku > Yuna
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

Partystar has it. Of course, there have to be some >s in there... Auron = Yuna? No siree. The one thing that's a given more than the rest is Tidus > Rikku, and if Rikku keeps up the pace Rikku > Yuna looks to be surefire as well. Auron > Tidus is still nebulous, and the second round should provide answers.
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SC2K5 status - Points: 014/015 - Matches: 14/15 - Rank: 01183/33793 - Today: Ryu - Tomorrow: Master Chief

so how is this match garnering so many votes even with a side poll next to it.
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

Well, it looks like Rikku's doing well for herself. It must make partystar happy.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 13/15 points
Current Match Prediction: Ryu (Street Fighter) vs. Rikku

Ryu 55.77% 27888
Rikku 44.23% 22113
TOTAL VOTES 50001
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That... was her final mission. And like a true soldier, she saw it through the end.
ZSB [aX]

how much activity and hype would there be on this board if gordon freeman was to face CATS and how would the match go?
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

wow, I guess 55-45 isn't out of the realm of possibility after all. Rikku is impressin', that's for sure.

Auron = Tidus > Rikku > Yuna.
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nominate Jay Solano for sc2k6.

You're one to talk, Mr. I'm Attracted To Jailbait >_>

I like them as characters, not as eye candy. There's a difference. Neither of them are actually jailbait anyway...

For the record, unless you're willing to group Tidus in together with Yuna and Rikku, he ought to have a bit of a cushion ahead of Kirby. Otherwise, they're all cramped together in a tight space.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Hey guys remember when everyone said there was no way Yuna could of increased enough for Gannon to acheive his Spring Contest 2k5 results

::points to this match::
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Tripling Gordon Freeman.

Right now Gannon SpC 2k5 beats Rikku 60.5-39.5. That gives Rikku a percent over Yuna leeway where Ryu could be a percent weaker or Rikku could up to a percent stronger than Yuna.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Tripling Gordon Freeman.

Hey guys remember when everyone said there was no way Yuna could of increased enough for Gannon to acheive his Spring Contest 2k5 results

::points to this match::

Rikku has been in the contest before?
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I've been Pwned by KoaC. He really is the king of all cosmos.

Im sorry when two characters which we speculated would be around the same strength both have similiar overperformances from where we thought they be, I tend to chalk it up to them both being that strong.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Tripling Gordon Freeman.

Hey guys remember when everyone said there was no way Yuna could of increased enough for Gannon to acheive his Spring Contest 2k5 results

::points to this match::

Rikku has been in the contest before?
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I've been Pwned by KoaC. He really is the king of all cosmos.

a two minute delay double post?
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I've been Pwned by KoaC. He really is the king of all cosmos.

Indeed I was wonder what was going on.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Tripling Gordon Freeman.

Im sorry when two characters which we speculated would be around the same strength both have similiar overperformances from where we thought they be, I tend to chalk it up to them both being that strong.

We still really don't know how much stronger Rikku is than Yuna. They could be relatively equal (Sp2K5 Ganon), or Rikku could have a small cushion (2K3 Ganon). Either way, it's too soon to say that, especially considering we don't know where Rikku stood before X-2.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

so who would youb pick in a rikku vs yuna match?
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

Despite both girls being in FFX2 do you think Tidus is stronger then both of them?

I do, but that's because I have Tidus winning the division.
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I've been Pwned by KoaC. He really is the king of all cosmos.

Rikku, defnitely. FFX is not a game where the main characters shine over the others, nope nope.
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I know what I'm getting into, I don't care if I die trying!-Peppita Rossetti

I would assume that both Yuna and Rikku benefited quite a bit from FFX-2. It's hard to say that they didn't, especially after these solid performances.

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Its not just Rikku/Ryu which has led me to his conclusion. Its a combonation of three matches.

A) Zelda/Vivi- You have to either believe Vivi was overrated last year due to fan support or that Zelda increased quite a bit

B) Bowser/Chun-Li - You have to either believe Bowser's SpC2k5 numbers are correct or Chun-Li is quite a bit weaker than Bison

C) Ryu/Rikku - You have to either believe Rikku is much stronger than Yuna or Yuna increased a lot against 'Dorf.

Thats three different matches all having one of two options being the same conclusion.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Tripling Gordon Freeman.

I was with Partystar the whole time, I just wasn't very vocal about it. Rikku is definitely stronger than Yuna, and probably isn't too far below Tidus, either. If Ryu gets it to about 57%, I'm not worried in the slightest about Ryu > Bowser. If he keeps it in the 56-57%, I'm not too worried either... if he keeps dropping, however...

I said it when the bracket came out, if they had switched the Rik(k)us I would've taken Rikku over Frog. (this is partially due to him being to high, mind you)
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Raiden fact of the contest: Alucard is a plagiarist, this year Raiden will prove it!

You can go that path but you have to assume that

A) Rikku is much stronger than Yuna.
B) Bowser isnt anywhere near his Spring Contest numbers
C) Chun-Li isnt anywhere near M. Bison.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Tripling Gordon Freeman.

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

C) Chun-Li isnt anywhere near M. Bison.

What? Bison was only expected to get about 1% less on Bowser from the stats... I think Chun Li = Bison.
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Raiden fact of the contest: Alucard is a plagiarist, this year Raiden will prove it!

If TJF is supporting Rikku, it probably supported Yuna as well. So that doesnt change that.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Tripling Gordon Freeman.

Or D) The Spring Contest is worthless and was full of franchise voting.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Or D) The Spring Contest is worthless and was full of franchise voting.

The Spring Contest I find unreliable as it was filled with characters that would be nothing more than fodder in the Summer. Kefka in particular got overrated as he took out two pieces of fodder before being edged out by a lower-mid-strength character.
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Today's subliminal thought is:

people will never truly agree on what the villain contest did for us right? personally i don't think it did much good
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

Yeah Bison was only expected to get 1% less on SPRING CONTEST 2k5 Bowser. If that Bowser's true strength, Ryu has no shot. Also if that Bowser's true strength, Yuna is within a percent of Rikku.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Tripling Gordon Freeman.

Or D) The Spring Contest is worthless and was full of franchise voting.

I'm gonna have to go with D.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 13/15 points
Current Match Prediction: Ryu (Street Fighter) vs. Rikku