The only match anyone could consider unconvincing is gannon vs yuna,

I was actually talking about Ness/CJ since that was the closest match that a Nintendo character has been in.

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Yeah, considering they were supposed to win all of those matches (except Ness/CJ),

I never recall people saying that Zelda was suppose to win her match. She may have been slightly favored, but Vivi was always considered to be able to win that match too.

So Yuna can make a complete jump to Tidus's 2004 level without any questions, huh?

There's no reason to suspect something is wrong when the amount she went up by was very, very believable.

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I never recall people saying that Zelda was suppose to win her match. She may have been slightly favored, but Vivi was always considered to be able to win that match too.

*points to the BOP*

Zelda was the overwhelming favorite to win that match. She was basically supposed to win.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

So Yuna can make a complete jump to Tidus's 2004 level without any questions, huh?

She's starred in another game since then that sold over a million copies in north america. It's perfectly reasonable to assume it could give her that sort of an increase. It's not like she increase that much.
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Just because Yuna became the main character doesn't mean that she all of a sudden be expected to be LIKED the same way other main characters are. She's still Yuna after all. People are putting way too much stock in why a character should be popular over that character's popularity to begin with....

*coughTerracough*
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She was supposed to win, not make Vivi look like a third rate piece of crap and all his supporters look insane.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

Just because Yuna became the main character doesn't mean that she all of a sudden be expected to be LIKED the same way other main characters are. She's still Yuna after all. People are putting way too much stock in why a character should be popular over that character's popularity to begin with....

Not being well liked on board 8 doesn't seem to hurt squall, so why would it for Yuna? Becoming the lead in a game does make a difference. She's the only final fanatasy character to be in 2 final fantasy games (unless you're including summons and moogles) as well which should help her. Why does everyone have so much trouble believing this, when Cloud increasing the amount he did being from kingdom heart isn't questioned nearly as much?
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I played FFX-2 before FFX, so I can see how Yuna would get a boost from people that played X-2. >>
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Summer Contest 2005: 13/14
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What really gets me is that Yuna's increase isn't even very big, especially considering that the last time we saw her was in 2k3.
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Whoa, that's awesome stuff, RPGuy.

And yeah, at least CoM is good for SOMETHING.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Not being well liked on board 8 doesn't seem to hurt squall, so why would it for Yuna? Becoming the lead in a game does make a difference. She's the only final fanatasy character to be in 2 final fantasy games (unless you're including summons and moogles) as well which should help her. Why does everyone have so much trouble believing this, when Cloud increasing the amount he did being from kingdom heart isn't questioned nearly as much?

You just mistook everything I said in my post. Merely being the lead in FFX-2 shouldn't make Yuna boost all the way to Tidus's strength, which is what I was responding to. I didn't say it WOULDN'T help her, but for her to all of a sudden jump among the ranks of the other Final Fantasy leads just FOR being the lead doesn't make much sense. She still is Yuna after all. Again, I say that being the lead isn't everything.

And about Squall not being well liked... it does indeed have an effect on Squall's strength. FF8 came out right after FF7, and sold very well. Squall plays the same kind of role as Cloud. One would think that Squall would be very close to Cloud in strength if "hate" didn't play a factor. The thing is that enough people like Squall for him to be at least fairly strong in the contest.

And if you still think that minor cameos in KH made Cloud and Sephiroth that much more popular in 2k3 even though they were already insanely popular, then I have nothing else to say....
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These results are coming as a surprise to me.

Franchise voting must not be as strong as I thought it would be.
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You just mistook everything I said in my post. Merely being the lead in FFX-2 shouldn't make Yuna boost all the way to Tidus's strength, which is what I was responding to. I didn't say it WOULDN'T help her, but for her to all of a sudden jump among the ranks of the other Final Fantasy leads just FOR being the lead doesn't make much sense. She still is Yuna after all. Again, I say that being the lead isn't everything.

Oh, well that's fair enough, but it's not her being as strong as Tidus, it's that she only got about what, a 4% increase? That isn't exactly huge. We've seen characters get larger increases for more or less no reason within a year, so why couldn't a popular square game do it as well in two years?

And about Squall not being well liked... it does indeed have an effect on Squall's strength. FF8 came out right after FF7, and sold very well. Squall plays the same kind of role as Cloud. One would think that Squall would be very close to Cloud in strength if "hate" didn't play a factor. The thing is that enough people like Squall for him to be at least fairly strong in the contest.

He's more then fairly strong, he's sandwitched in between the mid carders and the elite 8. What I'm saying is board hate doesn't translate into hate amongst casuals.

And if you still think that minor cameos in KH made Cloud and Sephiroth that much more popular in 2k3 even though they were already insanely popular, then I have nothing else to say....

I never said that, I said it's more readily accepted for why cloud increased then Yuna being able to increase.
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Nope. It's just that Street Fighter fans cannot help but notice the awesomeness that is Bowser.

They also realize that lightning in a bottle > lightning kick...
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You just mistook everything I said in my post. Merely being the lead in FFX-2 shouldn't make Yuna boost all the way to Tidus's strength, which is what I was responding to. I didn't say it WOULDN'T help her, but for her to all of a sudden jump among the ranks of the other Final Fantasy leads just FOR being the lead doesn't make much sense. She still is Yuna after all. Again, I say that being the lead isn't everything.

To be fair, the FF leads aren't that exclusive a group. Cloud is top tier, Squall is a legit sweet 16 contender, Tidus is probably in the top 20. However, Ramza isn't strong enough to make it out of the first round, Cecil is a wuss, and I am wondering a bit about what Zidane and Terra's strength will look like (my guess is not so good). So pretty much, I agree with mnm on this one. Besides, we're not sure where Ganondorf stands yet.
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I think FFIV in general is just really unpopular in these contests. I don't think FFIV would do any better in a games contest then Cecil did against kirby, which as wrong as it seems looks probable.The problem with Cecil is that we had nothing FFIV related to base him off of, making his strength unpredictable, so we just assumed being in FF equated to not being fodder. We made the same mistake with Kuja, although I suppose we had vivi to base him off of.

I expect zidane to be at least at vivi's strength, and Terra to be at least a bit ahead of Kefka.
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To be fair, the FF leads aren't that exclusive a group. Cloud is top tier, Squall is a legit sweet 16 contender, Tidus is probably in the top 20. However, Ramza isn't strong enough to make it out of the first round, Cecil is a wuss, and I am wondering a bit about what Zidane and Terra's strength will look like (my guess is not so good). So pretty much, I agree with mnm on this one. Besides, we're not sure where Ganondorf stands yet.

Heh, that was the point I was getting at. Being the lead ISN'T all it's cracked up to be. Cloud, Squall, Tidus, and even Crono if you want to add to that all have something about them that is particularly liked. Hmmm... wonder what that is... </sarcasm>
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However, Ramza isn't strong enough to make it out of the first round

Nah, he can. He's at least as strong as Kefka. He just got a bad draw.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

I wouldn't say he got a bad draw. Ramza, in most summer contests, would probably be the kind of guy who would be around 35th place or so. Could make round 2, but given a "fair draw", wouldn't.
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Bowser is a beast. And a cute, spiky beast at that.
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What I don't understand is why people are somparing cecil to terra. We hadn't seen anything FFIV in action before, so cecil's strength was hard to predict. We've seen both FFVI and kefka in action before. We know it's popular enough for Terra to not fall below the VFL, and she should be at least at kefka's level in strength. She should be a low end mid carder, and saying she can be stronger then Dante is really stretching it, but trying to compare her to cecil for no reason at all is irrational. It's not like old school square can't be popular. Look at CT, a game that came out closer to FFVI then FFIV. Comparing her to cecil is just as stupid as looking at crono and saying "instant elite 8 breaker".
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so what are the prospects for tomorrows's match apart from a girl getting beaten up again
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if Rikku = Yuna 2k3, Ryu wins 63-37.
if Rikku = Yuna 2k5 through Dorf 2k4, 58-42.


My prediction: 65-35.
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I've never played FFX before but rikku isn't even the lead female is she? Maybe she'll end up around 2k3 yuna.
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Given a "fair" draw, Kefka wouldn't win either, but meh.
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Round 1: (7) Geno

No but she is probably the second most loved FFX character outside of Auron among FFX fans. That should translate in a semi-respectable performance. I can see her around KOS-MOS.
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KOS-MOS is really close to 2k3 yuna isn't she?
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I think Rikku = KOS-MOS, so Ryu will get about 62%.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 12/14 points
Current Match Prediction: Bowser vs. Chun-Li

anyone finding it strange at how quiet cats supporters are at the moment. his match is coming up quite soon.
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They'll be more vocal tomorrow since it's the day before CATS's match.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 12/14 points
Current Match Prediction: Bowser vs. Chun-Li

CATS will hold the lead on Chief for at least two minutes. ****ing book it.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

At the 12:20 mark, this match has 59,471 votes.

Ness/CJ - 58,054
Tidus/KoAC - 59,210

On pace for another 100,000, eh?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

How much is CATS (2k4) projected to get on Master Chief?
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Summer 2005 Contest - 12/14 points
Current Match Prediction: Bowser vs. Chun-Li

I can't wait til CATS stops wasting a spot. The only times his matches were worth a damn were in 2k2 (for the Flash vid, really) and sp2k5.
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And bring back Guybrush Threepwood? No siree.
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SC2K5 status - Points: 013/014 - Matches: 13/14 - Rank: 01217/33793 - Today: Bowser - Tomorrow: Ryu

I was thinking more along the lines of Aeris, myself.
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You don't know what these crazy nominators have in store for us. Besides, if they nominated Tifa and Vincent over Aeris she probably won't be coming back for a long, long time. CJayC would never dare put FIVE FF7 characters in the bracket.
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There are still plenty of characters who deserve a spot more than CATS who got hosed this year.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Like Nemesis.

I was thinking more like Tails, Liquid, Scorpion, Bomberman, or Shadow...
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

We should have had the Prince of Persia or The Boss in this bracket. How strong do you think they would be?
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Summer 2005 Contest - 12/14 points
Current Match Prediction: Bowser vs. Chun-Li

From: Draco1214 | Posted: 8/2/2005 12:49:21 PM | #492
We should have had the Prince of Persia or The Boss in this bracket. How strong do you think they would be?

Prince of Persia would be fodderific. Wouldn't the Boss do worse than Big Boss? She's not as important, right? I really don't know.

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Wow, this topic is extremely slow...

In other news, Tales of Symphonia has officially busted its way into my top 10 favorite games. Probably up there with Final Fantasy VII in terms of fun factor. I think I'm gonna have to rearrange my top 30 games. Of course, I won't be doing a topic anytime SOON with the big fad going on right now.

But anyways, back on topic....

Lightning in a bottle > Lightning Kick
Knuckles > Magus
Zero > j00

and all of that other good stuff....
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Oh yeah...

Sonic >>>>>>>>>>>> Jay Solano >> Ness > Sephiroth
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*puts on red headband*

It's on now.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

OH SNAP!

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Round 1: (7) Geno

Highly confusing.

Hadouken!
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