Go Chun-Li!

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Summer 2005 Score: 13/14: Bowser vs Chun Li

It's just that there are some people in this topic who I would never argue with based on how they feel about the character in question. I can't decide if you're one of them or not, Leon.

Feel free to argue all you want. Defending Tidus's chances against Kirby doesn't have anything to do with my personal preference for him because I love the pink puffball nearly as much. Trying to say "This will happen because I don't think such and such" is something I disagree with, regardless of who it is.

I don't particularly care for Sora and I've never even played SotN, but I was saying the exact same things for the past few days about that second round match.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Trying to say "This will happen because I don't think such and such" is something I disagree with, regardless of who it is.

What do you mean by that? I mean, I could have said "Ness will win against CJ because I don't think CJ has as much appeal as a main character as Vercetti does" a few weeks back and I would have turned out to be a genius. (Was that what tnote said? I wasn't around.) I mean, disproving/proving theories is an important part of figuring out how these things go.
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This is the match that I am really anxious to see, and fortunately, I will know within two days whether or not I will have a chance in this contest. I have spent a lot of time analyzing this match-up from both a mathematical and a common sensical direction. The common sense in me says that Ness just cannot compete with something as vast and consuming as Grand Theft Auto. The mathematics, however, have left me with a slightly different outlook.

I feel that 2k3 Vercetti would beat 2k5 CJ around 60/40. I feel this way for numerous reasons which are not terribly relevant in this analysis. Using a non SFFed Ness, Vercetti is expected to beat him with around 62%. This leaves CJ with a couple percentage points on Ness, which I think can be made up from a couple different sources. I think the SSB:M blitz will only help Ness increase his popularity as time goes along. Additionally, I think there is a race factor that could hurt CJ. Tenpenny really should not have lost that bad to Liquid, especially given he is voiced by freakin’ Samuel L. Jackson. Enough people have played against Tenpenny, as evidenced by the GTA:SA domination of the FAQs. And while I know FAQ popularity does not equal contest success, it sure as hell should equate at least 25% on Liquid Snake. All things considered, I see this as a great place to pick an upset, and I am going to do just that.

That's what T-Note said. Kinda like a bankrupt man's Ulti Halo/Starcraft analysis.


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What do you mean by that? I mean, I could have said "Ness will win against CJ because I don't think CJ has as much appeal as a main character as Vercetti does" a few weeks back and I would have turned out to be a genius

That's true, but it's still different as CJ and Vercetti are from the same series and the same generation. Trying to make a comparison between a character from an RPG from more than a decade ago with an unrecognizable picture and a new character from a low-selling game with a hardcore following isn't always going to be accurate. They have different fanbases.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Trying to make a comparison between a character from an RPG from more than a decade ago with an unrecognizable picture and a new character from a low-selling game with a hardcore following isn't always going to be accurate. They have different fanbases.

That's true. And I'll admit that I have no idea what the makeup of those fanbases is on GameFAQs. All I can really do is guess, at this point.

Tidus vs. Kirby will be nice for me, at least, because it'll put closure onto "just how strong is this guy, dammit!"
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Yeah, I'm definitely looking forward to it as well. I will admit that I'm starting to have reservations about Tidus being able to win the division now, but I'm still very confident in his ability to beat Kirby.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Ness > CJ wasn't really that farfetched. A lot of people in the stat topic, including myself, said that Ness had a great chance against CJ due to people not liking who CJ is or what he represents.

I actually had a big feeling that Ness would win... I just don't like Ness, and decided to have faith in the GameFAQS community. But of course on a website where you can't even have a topic about rap without people trolling it to all hell, one would learn to expect things like Ness > CJ...
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And I'm excited to see the Bowser/Chun-Li picture. I just hope Ceej doesn't find a way to screw that one up because it has the potential to be awesome.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Well yes, but hindsight's twenty-twenty. I mean, there's a huge topic around here somewhere of people who are perfect in the contest so far, except for Ness vs. CJ. I think if CJ had won, we might well have twice the perfects we have now. Perhaps even more than that.
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How much money you think I would need to donate to GameFAQs to get CJayC to slap up a hot Rikku cosplayer? Four figures? Five?

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
SC2k5 - 14/14 (empty slots in brackets suck)

I'd still have an account on the leaderboard if CJ had beaten Ness. Granted, it wouldn't have been my prize-eligible bracket (had Vivi over Zelda), but Legendary Vyse would've been up there.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

it's too bad that ALL FOUR first round winners in the Dream Division had to face new characters in the first Round. after Wednesday, we will still have no idea who's gonna take this Division.

but, i guess 5 close/uncertain macthes in a row will be pretty cool. if any of our brackets make it completely through "The Gauntlet" of those 5 matches, they will be looking pretty good to make the Top 50.

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I'd still have an account on the leaderboard if CJ had beaten Ness. Granted, it wouldn't have been my prize-eligible bracket (had Vivi over Zelda), but Legendary Vyse would've been up there.

heh, not only would my alt still be in the Top 50, but my prize bracket would also still be perfect. =/

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Sora/Alucard
Ganondorf/Auron
Tidus/Kirby
Ryu/Bowser
Squall/Magus

Wow, the 2nd round truly is stacked.

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
SC2k5 - 14/14 (empty slots in brackets suck)

Don't forget that Snake/Zelda is suddenly looking like a barnburner, too.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

And Dante/Vincent.
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The King of all Cosmos' route to summer victory:
Round 1: (4) Tidus... LET ME DREAM :

http://www.combatrush.co.uk/albums/wallpaper/chun_li_allstars.sized.jpg

I predict Ceej will be using that pic.

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"It takes but a man to gaze into his own twilight and approach it with fear. It takes but a legend to approach it with open arms." - The Unheard Z

Wow, the 2nd round truly is stacked.

well, first, we have The Gauntlet:

Ganondorf/Auron
Solid Snake/Zelda
Sora/Alucard
Tidus/Kirby
Ryu/Bowser

and then we could possibly have:

Dante/Vincent
Squall/Magus
Tifa/Luigi

so, possibly 8 uncertain/close matches. this could be the best 2nd Round we've had yet! ^_^

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Tidus 72.91% 59788
King of All Cosmos 27.09% 22212
TOTAL VOTES 82000

Just because I got it.

And yeah, totally forgot about Snake/Zelda. Definitely include that one. And I did not include Dante/Vincent because we have no clue about Vincent. He could be cannon fodder, though I would bet my pay check he clears the VFL with ease.

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
SC2k5 - 14/14 (empty slots in brackets suck)

Well, it's hard to make Chun-Li look bad. I wouldn't put it past him though. One picture I could see him using is this one:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/31/Streetfighter_chunli_illust.png

I dislike that art style.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Tidus 72.91% 60001
King of All Cosmos 27.09% 22294
TOTAL VOTES 82295

Whoo-hoo!
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

the King is gonna end up with something like 30,000 votes. that's pretty impressive, no?
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Gah, I hope he doesn't use that one. I'd personally want to see her Marvel vs Capcom or Namco X Capcom portrait.

For HM (or anyone else) whenever he gets back... why are all the Tales games brought over here so late? Sales poor or something? Cauz the gameplay, characters and storyline kicks ass.

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
SC2k5 - 14/14 (empty slots in brackets suck)

For HM (or anyone else) whenever he gets back... why are all the Tales games brought over here so late? Sales poor or something? Cauz the gameplay, characters and storyline kicks ass.

With exception to ToS, the sales tended to be pretty bad. I think ToS was the only one to sell over 100k in North America.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

Ken vs. Sora?

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"It takes but a man to gaze into his own twilight and approach it with fear. It takes but a legend to approach it with open arms." - The Unheard Z

Keyblade master.

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
SC2k5 - 14/14 (empty slots in brackets suck)

Mr. Masters > Keyblade Master
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Don't even bother reading this sig.

Sora > Ken
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Summer 2005 Contest - 11/13 points
Current Match Prediction: Tidus vs. King of all Cosmos

Ken>Every chracter in this contest by far
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With exception to ToS, the sales tended to be pretty bad. I think ToS was the only one to sell over 100k in North America.

I think it has to do with the char designs, as in their looks.

FF IX was unpopular for it's cartoony feel.

People here expect serious chars (which include most rpg chars) to look realistic.

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Just to note: Shadow 45% against Mario is not Shadow's strength. I thought EVERYONE recognized that at this point. I still dont see why we used Mario as the constant character.

I mean Mario has the weirdest ability of unperforming in blow-outs and overperforming in close matches. Wonder why Crono/Mario III was such a large victory? Once Mario wasnt close enough for the big comeback, his huge strength he gets in close matches went away. I say a normal 2003 Crono beats a normal 2003 Mario at LEAST 51.5-48.5. Mario just comes up big when its close and comes up small when its a blowout.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Am I wrong to think Sora/Ken would actually be close?

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"It takes but a man to gaze into his own twilight and approach it with fear. It takes but a legend to approach it with open arms." - The Unheard Z

55/45 is a blowout? You are starting to sound like Ulti.

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
SC2k5 - 14/14 (empty slots in brackets suck)

Sora/Ryu is suppose to be close if I am not mistaken, so to think Sora would easily handle Ken would not be a stretch.

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This is at least partly true. Mario's only true blowouts have come against fellow Nintendo characters who he was easily able to SFF into oblivion. Oh, and Joanna Dark.
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Ken has two very different values from his two years, even taking WDF into consideration. In 2002, he was set up to face Ryu in the second round, so he MIGHT have overperformed there. In 2003, he was a 15 seed, so he MIGHT have underperformed. His true value could lie somewhere in between those two.
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Round 1: (7) Geno

And JC Denton who might actually be overrated by the stats. Seriously, I still dont know who JC Denton is.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Mario-Shadow match by affected by two factors:

A) Mario underperforms when the match isnt close
B) Mario/Sonic was a match that everyone wanted to see and this was scene as the only way to have it. I think Shadow got much more support (considering he is a love/hate character even among Sega fans) from Sega fans due to him facing Mario.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

From: NewLib | Posted: 8/1/2005 7:37:15 PM | Message Detail
And JC Denton who might actually be overrated by the stats. Seriously, I still dont know who JC Denton is.

I find myself saying that about the majority of 'bad ass looking' characters in these contests.

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I mean Mario has the weirdest ability of unperforming in blow-outs and overperforming in close matches.

Didn't this theory already die? Take a look at Mario's matches with JC Denton and Joanna Dark. Mario is plenty capable of blowing out opponents.

Wonder why Crono/Mario III was such a large victory? Once Mario wasnt close enough for the big comeback, his huge strength he gets in close matches went away.

Or perhaps Crono actually gained a bit. 53% is a solid win, but I wouldn't call it a large victory.

Also what does Mario's performace in blowouts and close matches have to do with Shadow? It was neither a close match nor a blowout.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

I've always just gotten the impression that Mario gets a large contingent of anti-votes from people who associate them with their childhoods, which it totally uncool, of course. When he's facing other Nintendo characters that doesn't happen, and he pulls stuff like Mario vs. DK in 2002.
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Currently: 13/14 | Next: Bowser

B) Mario/Sonic was a match that everyone wanted to see and this was scene as the only way to have it. I think Shadow got much more support (considering he is a love/hate character even among Sega fans) from Sega fans due to him facing Mario.

If Link couldn't SFF'd Mario, I can't exactly see Shadow rSFF Mario by a significant degree.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

I've always just gotten the impression that Mario gets a large contingent of anti-votes from people who associate them with their childhoods, which it totally uncool, of course.

Meh, I think he would quadruple Pac-Man at least, personally. I already feel like Luigi overperformed on him.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Ken Masters vs. Tommy Vercetti?

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"It takes but a man to gaze into his own twilight and approach it with fear. It takes but a legend to approach it with open arms." - The Unheard Z

Like I said there is no proof he didnt underperform against JC Denton. Joanna Dark is really the first blowout I think he performed up to snuff.

Also Shadow wouldnt rSFF Mario per say. Just overperform, because the hate would die down for him. Shadow is like Tidus, a very polarizing figure where Auron/Knuckles doesnt have as many absolute lovers, but has basically no haters.
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How bad will the next two matches be for casual brackets? My bet is that Ryu has an very low prediction percentage for a match few on this board question at all, and tomorrow is also casual-bait, though not on the same level. Of course, tomorrow won't be as close %wise, either.
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Currently: 13/14 | Next: Bowser

Like I said there is no proof he didnt underperform against JC Denton. Joanna Dark is really the first blowout I think he performed up to snuff.

Well, we don't have any proof of over/underperformance for any of Mario's non-SFF blowouts. Although he seemed to underperform against Servbot, Morrigan(and Spyro), JC Denton and Joanna Dark have only been in one contest. Until we do have proof, there's no reason to single out Mario for over/underperformances in blowout matches.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

And yeah, totally forgot about Snake/Zelda. Definitely include that one. And I did not include Dante/Vincent because we have no clue about Vincent. He could be cannon fodder, though I would bet my pay check he clears the VFL with ease.

*inserts obligatory or Kerrigan and Terra*


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