I would put him around the level of Viewtiful Joe.

The King is going to be nowhere near the Viewtiful Joe level. That's just ridiculous.

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Here's why I think he is more popular then you are giving him credit for.

- He got a high seeding => lots of nominations

- Look at all the sour users. People like him and are passionate about him doing well.

- Plenty of users will have picked him over Tidus. He is far from a joke character and those less knowledgeable gave him a chance.

- His game has been on the Faq list and will go down as one of the gems of 2005. (or maybe 2004..)

- Since when has poor sales damaged characters in these contests? Look at Lloyd, Vyse and KOS-MOS. While they aren't that strong, they certainly aren't fodder. I would expect the king to be in the same tier as those above.

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Tidus breaks the 73% barrier. And personally, I would not be shocked at all to see The King give Joe a 55/45 match.

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Actually, I am pretty sure that Vyse is just on the threshhold of being fodder, thus the VFL. And we are not sure if Lloyd is fodder or not, and will not know until his match with Zero. Pretty sure that Lloyd through Wesker/Kefka makes him fodder, though...

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Not even 75%? I figured he'd be close, but I'd say this is pretty disappointing. Kirby is definitely looking like he can beat Tidus next round.


Tidus has placed above Squall in two credible X-stats. Squall beat Kirby easily. What reason is there for Tidus to lose?

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- He got a high seeding => lots of nominations

You think this is because of support outside of Board 8? Hardly. Manny Calavera got in due to the Board 8 support. The King was very much the same way.

- Look at all the sour users. People like him and are passionate about him doing well.

This board, for some reason, loves the King and hates Tidus. There's enough reason to believe they would be "sour" before the match even began.

- Plenty of users will have picked him over Tidus.

Tidus will have a large amount of bracket support behind him. The King is in no way big with the casuals.

- Since when has poor sales damaged characters in these contests? Look at Lloyd, Vyse and KOS-MOS.

I'm not sure if you realize this, but you have some serious ranges with those characters. KOS-MOS is a good deal above Vyse and Vyse is looking to be a good deal above Lloyd through Villain Contest Wesker. But, unlike those games, Katamari Damacy was around far a shorter period of time is NOT an RPG, and does not enjoy the sales of those characters. KD's sales were horrible.
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As much as it pains me to agree with Smurf, Squall handled Kirby with relative ease, so why is Tidus/Kirby even in question? Simply because he has had one bad match in three years? Tidus will defeat Kirby with right around what Squall did, and then lose to Bowser the same way he lost to Ganondorf.

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Tidus has placed above Squall in two credible X-stats. Squall beat Kirby easily. What reason is there for Tidus to lose?

I love it when people bring up past X-sts and try to attempt at justifying a character's place. You might want to understand that we are no longer in 2002 or 2003. We are in the year 2005 and certain can, GASP, drop in popularity from those previous two years. This performance is in no way impressive at all. He's up against a complete joke of a character and not even pulling a tripling. Kirby was up against Cecil and managed just a little over 75%. Personally, there's no way I could see The King beating Cecil. No one should expect him to be strong enough to contend with people like Vyse or KOS-MOS.

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Katamari Damacy is actually a relatively mainstream game despite it's mistakenly labeled 'cult' status.

Of course, even so he still wouldn't manage anything beyond high fodder, but eh.
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I'm just hoping that Kirby increased due to his new game for the DS. A Kirby over Tidus win will ruin my bracket (and many others) but it would be nice to see.

Bowser is no Ganondorf.

I expect to see Tidus defeat Bowser by more then he defeat Shadow.

Tidus will need to break 55% if he wishes to knock out Snake though.

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As much as it pains me to agree with Smurf, Squall handled Kirby with relative ease, so why is Tidus/Kirby even in question?

Yes, because it is an unquestionable FACT that Tidus and Squall are at least near questions. Please, spare me such garbage.

Simply because he has had one bad match in three years? Tidus will defeat Kirby with right around what Squall did, and then lose to Bowser the same way he lost to Ganondorf.

Tidus will be lucky to even BEAT Kirby, much less win the match in the same fashion as Squall. And Bowser won't even have trouble taking care of him. Why people are giving Tidus this credit of being far higher than 2004 projects is beyond me. He will NOT be back at those 2003 levels and there's no guarantee he's even moved at all from that 2004 value (adjusted) he was given.

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Tidus is currently doing a bit worse on the King than Kirby did on Cecil. However, we must remember that Cecil was completely unrecognizable, and therefore a few notches weaker than he would normally be.

So, who's favored to win their match now?
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Katamari Damacy is actually a relatively mainstream game despite it's mistakenly labeled 'cult' status.

I don't even see how someone could put Katamari Damacy and mainstream together in a sentence. The game's sales were absolutely atrocious. Viewtiful Joe sold more and we all know where he ended up.

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at the pace tidus is gaining percentage what can he expect to have at the end of the day?
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So, who's favored to win their match now?

I can't say I have any idea on who's looking to be the favorite for that match. After seeing both of their performances, Kirby's blew me far more. I'm wanting to favor him over Tidus at this point, but certainly nothing that's obvious. I'd say about even right now.

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Bowser is no Ganondorf.

I expect to see Tidus defeat Bowser by more then he defeat Shadow.

Tidus will need to break 55% if he wishes to knock out Snake though.

So Shadow > Bowser?

Get off our internet, now.
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I would favor Tidus. Cecil hasn't been in a game for what, 14 years? And if I haven't played FFIV I would think that Cecil was from a game like Armed Core, not from a Final Fantasy. The King of All Cosmos is from a game that everyone who is into gaming and read gaming magazine have at least heard of. The King is not around VJ's level, but he would with ease beat Cecil if Cecil had that picture he had against Kirby.

Honestly, just because someone is from Final Fantasy doesn't mean he can't be fodder.
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Nothing's changed. You're supposed to base new entrants on people we've seen before, not the other way around.
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Nothing's changed. You're supposed to base new entrants on people we've seen before, not the other way around.
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Going by his performance right now, 73.21%, through an adjusted Tidus, this would put the King around the level of Gordon Freeman. That's around 13.40% on 2004 Link.

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STOP DROPPING % ALREADY >:(
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Couldn't King just be so completely badass, that despite poor sales, every single person who has played the game wants to have sex with him?

I mean, it's obviously the only logical explanation. The stats are never wrong.

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Couldn't King just be so completely badass,

But he isn't.

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But he isn't.

If the King isn't badass, then who is?
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If the King isn't badass, then who is?

Do you want the full 10 post list of who is more badass than the King or just a shortened three post list?

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HM should have his genitals removed. Posthaste.

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Getting these would be harder than running through the Pentagon screaming, "I HAVE TOLIET PAPER!" without getting shot for being a terrorist. So I'm not sure you want to do that little deed. You might lose multiple appendages in the process.

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is it me or is tidus's percentage skyrocketing at the moment.
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Tidus' percentage should be going up pretty quickly. The King is no way capable of snatching votes up from the casual voters; he's nowhere near well-known enough for that.

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Yeah, but Tidus is hated enough.

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Katamari Damacy may not have sold well, but a lot of people can at least recognize who he is or what game he is from, whether or not they have actually played it or not. He and the prince have a VERY distinct look. It would be hard to mistake them for someone else.

Plus, the game seems to have been critically acclaimed in a bunch of gaming magazines. I've seen his grill plenty of times in a couple of said magazines. I don't think that sales is the factor, at least not as much as being recognized. Sales only matter with a character being STRONG in the contest. You really don't need much to avoid being low-end fodder....
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Can Tidus achieve a Tripling by the end of the match?

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"Life...Dreams...Hope...Where'd they come from? And where are they headed...? These things...I'm going to destroy!!" -Kefka

G4 only bothers with mainstream crap and they spent a suprisingly high amount of air-time and attention to that game. It's not as if it's... like, dying in obscurity. I'd like an official source on those sales too because with a deal like that, how could it NOT have sold well? Come on market....
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I'd like an official source on those sales too because with a deal like that, how could it NOT have sold well? Come on market....

The source of those numbers comes from NPD. The best I could do is look up at some previous NPDs and show them to you so you can add them up. But its first month out on the market, the game sold an incredible 50,000 copies -- that was the BIGGEST month too.

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Yeah, but Tidus is hated enough.

Speak for the board, not the world. Thank you. :-)
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Maybe they left off a 0

>_> <_<
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Oh, mercy, this game was released almost a year ago? There's no way I'm searching for NPD data that far back. >.>

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If only the sequel was released in America by now!

*kicks Tidus in the face*
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Did Namco ever say they were bringing the sequel over? They seem to have a constant issue with teasing people by announcing something and then never releasing it over here. ;_;

Not that I care about Katamari Damacy, but it has happened far too often with Tales games.

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Should be scheduled for an October release.
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- Since when has poor sales damaged characters in these contests? Look at Lloyd, Vyse and KOS-MOS.

Ahem, only one of them look to have any note-worthy strength about 'em, too. Lloyd is lookin' to be a bomb, and Vyse is as weak as you can be without being considered fodder; only KOS-MOS is someone you can make a case for, but she's from an RPG. You can't say that about KoaC.


I expect to see Tidus defeat Bowser by more then he defeat Shadow.

Nah, that's a lil' too big of a spread for that; I can see it being just barely closer than Tidus/Shadow was, with Tidus winning.



As for today's match, I'm still expecting KoaC to fall more from here; here's to hoping Tidus blows out Koac worse than Kirby did to Cecil.
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so which round will send this board on the biggest frenzy? round2's five super-hyped matches. the sweet sixteen,elite eight,final four,the final or the ToC
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I would say round 2. That will either make or break brackets
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17 handhelds Nintendo has taken down 1 more to go (see quote for rest)

I may have underestimated KoaC today. If Tidus can finish with a Triple that will be good enough for me. He can still take the division.
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17 handhelds Nintendo has taken down 1 more to go (see quote for rest)

When talking about round 2, don't forget Dante/Vincent as well. This one's going to be nasty.

Oh, and KoaC's been stalling Re-Jecht for almost an hour.
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Round 2 by far. Auron VS Ganondorf, Zelda VS Solid Snake, Alucard VS Sora, Kirby VS Tidus, Ryu VS Bowser, Dante VS Vincent/Kerrigan, Magus VS Squall, Tifa VS Luigi and Yoshi VS Ocelot.
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When talking about round 2, don't forget Dante/Vincent as well. This one's going to be nasty.

I hope you just mean in terms of breaking brackets....
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Tidus is gaining pretty rapidly on the King, but I can't wait until Kirby beats him. Getting 34% on Mega Man isn't particularly impressive, people, and a match like this is why.
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Summer Contest 2005: 11/12
Today: Kirby, Tomorrow: Tidus