Terra... after as bad as Cecil got pummelled? Sheesh, some people just never rest.

Nibelheim Innkeeper>Terra

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SC2k5 - 14/14 (empty slots in brackets suck)

FF2us was released in 1991.
FF3us was released in 1994.
CT was released in 1995.

Considering CT was released so much closer to FF3us than FF2us was, why would Cecil's performace be more relavant than Crono's when trying to determine how strong Terra is?
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I've changed my sig.
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I've been Pwned by KoaC. He really is the king of all cosmos.

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truthfully, neither are relevant. if I had to pick one to gauge it by, I'd take Cecil over Crono though. if Terra was noble nine-worthy, she would've been in two years ago at the very least.
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metroid: zero mission - 28:50
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Terra... after as bad as Cecil got pummelled? Sheesh, some people just never rest.

I'd expect Terra to triple Cecil easily, and probably quadruple him.
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if Terra was noble nine-worthy, she would've been in two years ago at the very least.

Keeping in mind that Terra comes rom a game that lacks a clear favorite. While Terra is probably most likely to be the strongest, you can make a good argument why characters like Celes or Shadow would be. This fact probably prevents Terra from getting too close to the Noble Nine and absoultey murders her in the nominations department, it doesn't rule out her being a strong character. Remember she doesn't need to be that close to Crono to beat Dante.
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BTW does anybody else have problems accessing sc2k5.com right now?
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It's down for me, too.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

sc2k5 doesn't work for me right now, nope.

I'm not trying to argue Terra, because no one has any idea how strong she is. if I had to guess, Yuna sounds like a decent guess, but again that's a guess. she may be stronger than Dante and I wouldn't be surprised if she is, but saying she definitely is or isn't is a guess.
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metroid: zero mission - 28:50
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I'm not trying to argue Terra, because no one has any idea how strong she is. if I had to guess, Yuna sounds like a decent guess, but again that's a guess. she may be stronger than Dante and I wouldn't be surprised if she is, but saying she definitely is or isn't is a guess.

Assuming Ganondorf 2k5 = Ganondorf 2k3, Yuna is at 26.94% Base Link. That's less than half a percent off Dante's 2k4's 27.33%. Heh, that's an interesting coincidence.
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I'm able to get back onto the site now, but the poll updater is stuck at 18:45.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Nevermind. It just updated. At the 19:20 mark, this match has 89,713 votes.

Ness/CJ - 88,339

We're lookin' good to break 100,000 still.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Just wondering, how powerful would Rikku have to be (in terms of other characters, preferably a Final Fantasy character) to beat Ryu?

Just because that would be funny.
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She'd have to be about as strong as Squall.
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probably Tidus, and even then it's a tossup.
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metroid: zero mission - 28:50
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Rikku would have to be as strong as 2003 Aeris. Ain't happening.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

According to the adjusted stats, Ryu is ranked above the entire FFX cast (including Auron). She would have to be 2% stronger than the most popular character in her game and that's not gonna happen.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 11/13 points
Current Match Prediction: Tidus vs. King of all Cosmos

I don't think she'll be stronger than Yuna anyway. Holding Ganon constant and moving her up, she's a little below Dante. I'd call that her ceiling.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

worthless post about terra tripling cecil

Yeeeah, Terra=Kirby? You have just lost all credibility with me my good man. I cannot wait until Dante pummels Terra and everyone finally realizes that FFVI is NOT strong because of its characters.

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Ryu is ranked above the entire FFX cas

Auron would beat Ryu.
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Summer Contest 2005 - Points: 12/13
Today's Prediction: Tidus - Tomorrow: Bowser

Also, you must answer one question:

Do you think Rikku can get 45% or more on Sonic?
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Summer 2005 Contest - 11/13 points
Current Match Prediction: Tidus vs. King of all Cosmos

Haha no.

Though, Leon can.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Tripling Gordon Freeman.

For Tidus to be at his 2k3 level, KoAC has to be at the level of Conker? That doesn't seem too farfetched to me.

I hope/think Tidus is at his 2k3 level, yet I think Conker pre-Xbox is just a lil' too high for KoaC to be at.


It does to me. KoAC game sold like crap. It was a cult classic.

Which, mind you, can be argued the same way for Conker pre-Xbox. The main difference here is that Conker is from Rare/Nintendo annd had a second game to his name...yes, Diddy Kong Racing; couldn't have done much of anything, but it doesn't hurt. It can also only help that Conker is a playable character as opposed to KoaC.


It's kinda weird that KoaC has vote totals so close to Big Boss.

I would think Big Boss would barely beat KoaC, or at least make it a close affair.


Yeah, God forbid we ever see a Tidus/Sephiroth match. ;)

That match would be so weird. I don't even wanna think about that, heh.


If Chun-Li gets somewhere in the neighborhood of 41-43% on Bowser tomorrow, everyone's going to get worried, yes.

Expecting 41%, myself. Maybe 42%.


Zelda or Tidus?

Tidus, though Zelda (much like Bowser/Ryu will) would give him a hell of a fight.


How many here would honestly take The King over Vyse?

Can't say that I would.


Vyse would rock the King by more than he did against Laharl.

Not so sure about that though. KoaC/Laharl would be a pretty good match in my book.


A Kirby boost and another Tidus decrease (both of which aren't outside the realm of possibility) will make it a toss-up at the very least.

Outside the realm of possibility, no, but I don't buy it yet. I can see Kirby makin' a small gain due to being a 1-seed and having a new highly-acclaimed DS title out, but nothing major...and I don't think Tidus ever suffered a first decrease (though him possibly decreasing from last year is possible).

I still figure Tidus takes the division...but I also figured Cecil > KoaC. Yeesh.


Apparently I am the only one rightfully putting stock in Tidus' showing against Ganondorf.

Don't think you're the only one; I'm living and dying by it until the Elite Eight, and I almost went with Tidus/Solid...almost.


And when I say delusional, I mean it in the same sense as with last year's Shadow backers and this year's Ridley backers.

*had backed both Shadow and Ridley*

Had I taken Diablo to the Final Four instead of Ridley, that perfect bracket would have been mine. Regardless, I don't think either picks were dillusional, though it's much easier to pick apart the logic in hindsight.


does anybody think Kirby could actually beat Shadow?

I don't think so, no.


We can't use Cecil as an indicator since he "can't" be that weak. Hell, we were thinking the same thing for Kuja...

Which is true, but it doesn't change the fact that what Kirby did was impressive in my eyes for now; when the contest's over, we'll see how impressive it really was.


it's too bad that ALL FOUR first round winners in the Dream Division had to face new characters in the first Round. after Wednesday, we will still have no idea who's gonna take this Division.

Not only that, but the same thing happened with the Gear Division (excluding Vivi/Zelda...and they were never in the same contest before this match). CJay simply HAD to have meant for this to happen.


Ken vs. Sora?

Sora would own the holy moly out of Ken. Well...not that bad, but it wouldn't ever be in doubt.


Just to note: Shadow 45% against Mario is not Shadow's strength.

LIAR! LIAR! LLLIIIAAARRR!!! ALL LIES!!!

Mario underperforms when the match isnt close

I don't buy that, not for a second.


Ken Masters vs. Tommy Vercetti?

Closer yet, but I'd still expect Ken to lose; Vercetti should win comfortably, though he might potentially lose an update to Ken.


Like I said there is no proof he didnt underperform against JC Denton. Joanna Dark is really the first blowout I think he performed up to snuff.

...and what's so different between Mario/JC and Mario/Joanna to make you believe there is that difference? Hell, I've argued that Mario mildly SFF'd Joanna; that might be why Mario looks right there to you if he really did. My assumption's that you have too high of expectations for Mario here if that turns out to be the case (which is a shame that Mario isn't a champion here, but that's besides the point).


Yeeeah, Terra=Kirby? You have just lost all credibility with me my good man. I cannot wait until Dante pummels Terra and everyone finally realizes that FFVI is NOT strong because of its characters.

I don't know if I still would (it'd be 50-50), but, had Cecil and Terra switched places in the brackets, I would have taken Terra over Kirby.



As for today's match, damn you Tidus. At least get the King down to 27% or below again with the night-vote.
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Because JC Denton is basically Tanner with a different name. I believe he is even from a less popular game (Dead to Rights right?). Fact is if a JC Denton/Guybrush match took place, despite the extremely low vote totals, I expect Guybrush to pull it out. GUYBRUSH. Joanna however finished right around I thought she would. Of course it could be some mild form of SFF, but who knows.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Tripling Gordon Freeman.

Haha he is from Deus Ex. Funny part is I played the game ages ago.

I knew the name was familiar from somewhere.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Tripling Gordon Freeman.

Because JC Denton is basically Tanner with a different name.

I don't think you realize just how weak Tanner is. JC Denton is projected to beat Tanner with almost 85%. It's absurd to believe Mario would under perform anywhere near the amount neccessary to put JC Denton near Tanner.

I believe he is even from a less popular game (Dead to Rights right?).

Deus Ex.

Fact is if a JC Denton/Guybrush match took place, despite the extremely low vote totals, I expect Guybrush to pull it out. GUYBRUSH. Joanna however finished right around I thought she would. Of course it could be some mild form of SFF, but who knows.

This is all based on personal expectations. Just look at the last few matches to see just how usuful personal expectations are.
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I meant that very few people here could tell me who JC Denton is and what he is about which is same as Tanner. Im sure he had a little more character development than Tanner and probably quite a bit more popular.

This entire argument got really sidetracked from Shadow overperforming against Mario. Does anyone really believe Shadow is that strong?
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Tripling Gordon Freeman.

No.

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I do, seeing as how Tidus/Shadow was very close to how it should have been. Of course, Mega/Tidus puts that into jeopardy, but I think the anomaly's in Mega/Tidus long before I think it was in Mario/Shadow.
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There is no explaination for Tidus/Mega Man. Tidus got a 7-10% drop in 2004. That is unprecedented. Not even Lara and Sam took that type of drop.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Tripling Gordon Freeman.

So Harrich, you would take Shadow over Solid Snake?
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Tripling Gordon Freeman.

Well, next round will settle that one for good.

Hopefully. I said the same thing about the Frog/Liquid/MC trio right before the Sephiroth/Liquid match, and look where that got me.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

I'd be very tempted to; I'd guarantee Solid Snake would sweat some.

Note that I also have Solid over Tidus, which I think will also be a very close match.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

I may think Solid Snake dropped. No way I think Solid Snake in two years goes from beating Sonic 51.5-48.5 to losing to Shadow by a similiar amount when Shadow has no reason to increase at all.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Tripling Gordon Freeman.

Deus Ex is a pretty popular game, and JC looks a lot "cooler" than Tanner anyway.
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Driver 3 sold over a million copies.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Tripling Gordon Freeman.

Tidus 72.72% 67557
King of All Cosmos 27.28% 25338
TOTAL VOTES 92895

Tidus passes Kirby for individual votes in their respective matches.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

My thoughts on this match:

BWAHAHAHAAHAHAHA!

Sorry.

Kirby > Tidus.
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Summer Contest 2005: 12/13
Today: Tidus, Tomorrow: Bowser

You won't be laughin' a month from now...Or maybe you will. Who knows?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

*King > Cecil

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I'd take Snake over Shadow without blinking. I wouldn't expect it to be closer than 55-45, and maybe 60-40. I'm still not sure what to make of the Mario situatio, but I wouldn't expect it to happen again.
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metroid: zero mission - 28:50
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Well, people actually liked Deus Ex when they played it. :)
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To be defeated by us is an honor.

Shadow really need to return despite my distaste for him. He needed to prove something. Replace him with Laharl and we have an interesting set up.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Tripling Gordon Freeman.

I just can't wait for next year when TRE's N-Gage guy whose name I've forgotten three times by now gets in. that'll be the greatest match ever.
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metroid: zero mission - 28:50
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HADOUKEN!
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Well, people actually liked Deus Ex when they played it. :)

Ding, ding, ding!

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Knuckles > Magus
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Andrew Jackson > Jackie Robinson > Little Mac > Omar Gooding > Annette Chavez > Master Chief
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